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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby phdnm » 4 years 7 months ago (Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:25 pm)

Elfassi calls without complex to kill Dieudonné on Twitter …


And no police custody for him! What make Valls, Cazeneuve and Taubira? They who are so quick to persecute Dieudonné as soon as the latter dares to make them the insult move an ear!

Indeed, the question is rigorous more than ever. The paparazzi Jean-Claude Elfassi, as usual, adduced a small totally removed inhibitions sentence by calling up to Dieudonné's murder on his Twitter.


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Is there a lunatic, a poet, a troubadour to kill Soral, Dieudonné


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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 7 months ago (Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:23 pm)

Lol, let's mix things up a little:

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From the man who brought us "The Holocaust Industry":

I am Der Sturmer?

On Thursday, January 15th, 2015 in Uncategorized.

Norman G. Finkelstein

The Nazi publication Der Sturmer, edited by Julius Streicher, was notorious for its obscene anti-Semitic caricatures.

Imagine if a pair of Jewish brothers, distraught at the death and destruction that had befallen the Jewish people, barged into the newspaper’s offices and murdered members of its staff.

Would we hold up as martyrs and heroes those who chose to mock the deeply held beliefs of a suffering and despised people; to degrade, demean, insult and humiliate Jews in their hour of trial, when the world they had known was disintegrating around them?

Imagine if a million Berliners turned out to mourn the political pornographers.

Would we applaud this display of solidarity?

Streicher was sentenced to death in the Nuremberg Trial.

It is not reported that many in the enlightened West shed tears.

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2015/01/15 ... r-sturmer/


Finkelstein of course is all in with the official story; he just objects to its "exploitation." (Or at least that's what he says. But I can't help suspecting that he knows more than he lets on, and simply uses his adherence to the 6m myth as a shield when attacking the Industry itself. Not that that's done him much good.)

At any rate, he kind of has a point about Streicher, doesn't he. "Der Giftpilz" wasn't exactly friendly toward Jews, but then it never really was shown that it or anything else Streicher published actively endorsed genocide. The American assistant prosecutor at Nuremberg Telford Taylor himself said in his memoirs that he thought Streicher was executed unjustly: "I could harldy blame him for this show of temper, for I thought the Tribunal's opinion had been superficial, perhaps influenced by his repulsive appearance and by the likelihood of a negative public reaction if Streicher got anything less than the worst" (The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials, p. 599). So Streicher was a little ugly, and even some committed National Socialists thought his publications were a little ugly too. But freedom of expression? Nah, just hang the Nazi bastard.

Finkelstein seems to suggest that just as no one shed a tear for Julius Streicher, no one should shed a tear (or at least should not publicly celebrate) the Charlie Hebdo people. But one could just as well turn it around: if we're going to mourn Charlie, we should mourn Julius as well.

Ich bin Julius Streicher.
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby hermod » 4 years 7 months ago (Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:29 pm)

Kladderadatsch wrote:Lol, let's mix things up a little:

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Finkelstein of course is all in with the official story; he just objects to its "exploitation." (Or at least that's what he says. But I can't help suspecting that he knows more than he lets on, and simply uses his adherence to the 6m myth as a shield when attacking the Industry itself. Not that that's done him much good.)

At any rate, he kind of has a point about Streicher, doesn't he. "Der Giftpilz" wasn't exactly friendly toward Jews, but then it never really was shown that it or anything else Streicher published actively endorsed genocide. The American assistant prosecutor at Nuremberg Telford Taylor himself said in his memoirs that he thought Streicher was executed unjustly: "I could harldy blame him for this show of temper, for I thought the Tribunal's opinion had been superficial, perhaps influenced by his repulsive appearance and by the likelihood of a negative public reaction if Streicher got anything less than the worst" (The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials, p. 599). So Streicher was a little ugly, and even some committed National Socialists thought his publications were a little ugly too. But freedom of expression? Nah, just hang the Nazi bastard.

Finkelstein seems to suggest that just as no one shed a tear for Julius Streicher, no one should shed a tear (or at least should not publicly celebrate) the Charlie Hebdo people. But one could just as well turn it around: if we're going to mourn Charlie, we should mourn Julius as well.

Ich bin Julius Streicher.


The Nazis knew that Streicher's newspaper was detrimental to them on an international level. Foreign Jews were too eager to publish antisemitic quotes from Der Stuermer in their Zionist campaign of atrocity propaganda for the spoliation of Palestine (no Jewish martyrdom, no Israël). But Nazi authorities didn't ban Der Stuermer, that great food for Zionist propaganda, in spite of that. A lesson of freedom of speech for "our" beloved democratic leaders? :roll:

Reich Acts to Disavow Streicher As Press is Warned Against Him

January 21, 1935

Berlin (Jan. 20)

A move by Nazis to divorce Hitlerism from the extreme anti-Semitism of Julius Streicher in Franconia was seen here today in the campaign of the Nazi press against German Jewish papers which quote Streicher frequently.

Led by Propaganda Minister Goebbels’ Angriff, the entire Nazi press in chorus accuses the Jews of quoting Streicher’s extremist phraseology in order to “organize an anti-German campaign by the use of cunning methods.”

Even the ultra-orthodox Jewish paper, Israelit, is attacked by the Angriff for having quoted Streicher in order to “furnish German foes abroad with atrocity stories and to increase anti-German feeling in foreign countries.”

The press campaign appears to have the full backing of the government, since the press department of the German Foreign Office informed newspapermen that “it is inadvisable to quote Streicher and the Stuermer as evidence that the government supports his extreme anti-Semitism, since Germany is not identical with Franconia, where the anti-Semitism was widespread before the advent of Hitler.”

http://www.jta.org/1935/01/21/archive/r ... gainst-him
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:11 am)

Oh yeah, how could I forget?

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Now if ZOG ever comes for me, you guys will know what to put on your T-shirts, lol.

Incidentally, if you've never checked Kladderadatsch out, you should. The entire archived print run, almost 100 years worth, is viewable online at the University of Heidelberg's site. Needless to say, the most interesting stuff for people here will probably be the issues from the NS period. The images are very high-res, so the pages can be slow to navigate, but if you click the Preview tab, it lets you see the thumbnails, and then you can zoom in on whatever you find interesting.

http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit ... i_lang=eng

The funny thing, looking at the images, is just how tame most of them seem. "Kladderadatsch" wasn't official propaganda of course, but if it represented the sort of "hate-filled antisemitic imagery" that Nazi Germany fed off, well . . . let's just say it's a long way from "Charlie Hebdo."

A few examples . . .

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"The Garden of Eden" (British lion with Jewish snake)

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"The Jewish World Economic Plan" (Stereotypical Jews sucking at the teats of an Anglo-American "Golden Cow")

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A particularly famous example. Roosevelt prays to the One True God: "Grant, O Jehovah, that war should not break out before we have secured the right to sell arms again." (August 1939)

So yeah, it was "antisemitic" (and "racist" too, lol). Or perhaps one could simply say it was shrewdly realistic, and unmuzzled by "political correctness" and Jewish media control.

But promoting hate?

No matter, it ceased publication in September 1944 as a result of war shortages, and after the defeat it was branded a "Nazi" publication and never returned to print. RIP Kladderadatsch, 1848-1944.

From the last issue of 3 September 1944:

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"The Mousetrap" (On "Mrs." Churchill's apron: "Protector of Small Nations") It's not like they didn't try to warn us.
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Hannover » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:55 am)

Here's a brief look at this 'free speech' situation with some very revealing information.
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Unreported in the US, Charlie Hebdo has long ties with the French Communist Party and after the shooting has moved its headquarters to the offices of Libération, a French newspaper with roots in the Communist Party-inspired unrest of May, 1968. One of most famous Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, Stéphane Charbonnier (“Charb”), was a long-time member of the French Communist Party. Currently the newspaper is considered “left wing” and is controlled by Edouard de Rothschild of the international banking family, which should provide some additional fodder for the conspiracy-minded.

France and Europe chokes under the noxious cloud of hypocrisy.
This certainly helps explain the 'exception' and double standard that is given to laws made for the advantage of supremacist Jews. "additional fodder" indeed. This is not about "the conspiracy-minded", it's about obvious facts.

Critical of Muslims? OK. Critical of Jews? No can do.

- Hannover

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/dani ... hypocrisy/
After Free Speech Rally, France Cracks Down on Free Speech

By Daniel McAdams
Ron Paul Institute
January 16, 2015

Well that didn’t take long. Just three days after the French government hosted dozens of foreign leaders in a “unity rally” to defend free speech in the wake of last week’s shooting at the Charlie Hebdo magazine, France has begun arresting its citizens for actually exercising free speech.

According to news reports, more than 50 French citizens were arrested today and charged with offensive speech — the same kind of speech that was the trademark of of the Charlie Hebdo publication.

None of those arrested were charged with links to terrorism or any real crime. Instead, they are facing up to seven years in prison for making statements the French authorities claim are supportive of the shootings or are anti-Semitic.

New directives from the French Justice Ministry provided the legal basis for arresting those deemed “supportive” of the attacks or who express anti-Semitic or racist sentiment. Anti-Muslim sentiment was not included in the government’s new arrest orders, despite a dramatic spike in actual attacks on French Muslims since the shootings. The justice ministry claimed the new anti-speech measures were necessary to protect freedom of expression.

Among those arrested is controversial French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala, charged with being “an apologist for terrorism” and facing jail time over a Facebook post making fun of Sunday’s “unity rally.” Exercising free speech by making fun of the French government as it celebrates free speech is apparently a crime.

The French government has long banned Dieudonné’s comedy performances over his controversial jokes, even as French authorities celebrate Charlie Hebdo’s controversial jokes.

Those arrested for exercising free speech in France will be charged under “special measures” put into place after the shooting, which provide for immediate sentencing of the accused. Some 130,000 military and security forces have been deployed on the streets of France and ordered to keep a particular eye on incidents that could bring violence against the police.

Unreported in the US, Charlie Hebdo has long ties with the French Communist Party and after the shooting has moved its headquarters to the offices of Libération, a French newspaper with roots in the Communist Party-inspired unrest of May, 1968. One of most famous Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, Stéphane Charbonnier (“Charb”), was a long-time member of the French Communist Party. Currently the newspaper is considered “left wing” and is controlled by Edouard de Rothschild of the international banking family, which should provide some additional fodder for the conspiracy-minded.

France and Europe chokes under the noxious cloud of hypocrisy.
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby gasto » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:31 am)

However, French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira says one can mock and say anything about everything!
So much for coherence.... :roll:

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general ... 1ee4c.html
Taubira says citizens can mock religion
'In the country of Voltaire, we can draw everything'

(ANSA) - Paris, January 15 - French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira said Thursday that France is the homeland of "Voltaire and irreverence, we have the right to laugh at all religions". She spoke at a ceremony for one of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists murdered last week by terrorists. "We can draw everything, including the Prophet," said Taubira, who spoke at the same time as Pope Francis said it was wrong to mock religious beliefs.
If Human Soap rumour was fake, why can´t all the other absurd claims be too??

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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby hermod » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:30 pm)

gasto wrote:However, French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira says one can mock and say anything about everything!
So much for coherence.... :roll:

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general ... 1ee4c.html
Taubira says citizens can mock religion
'In the country of Voltaire, we can draw everything'

(ANSA) - Paris, January 15 - French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira said Thursday that France is the homeland of "Voltaire and irreverence, we have the right to laugh at all religions". She spoke at a ceremony for one of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists murdered last week by terrorists. "We can draw everything, including the Prophet," said Taubira, who spoke at the same time as Pope Francis said it was wrong to mock religious beliefs.


Voltaire would probably be on codoh if he was still alive today.

"at all times, Jews have disfigured the truth with absurd fables" ("de tout temps les Juifs ont défiguré la vérité par des fables absurdes") - Voltaire

Something that Voltaire couldn't say anymore without going to jail in the country of Voltaire. :roll:
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Dresden » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:45 pm)

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Do I have freedom of speech in France and Europe?

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Do I have the freedom to defend my clients?

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Do I have the freedom to say: "The 'holocaust' is the biggest lie in history"?
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Postby Dresden » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:28 pm)

hermod said:

"Voltaire would probably be on codoh if he was still alive today.

"at all times, Jews have disfigured the truth with absurd fables" ("de tout temps les Juifs ont défiguré la vérité par des fables absurdes") - Voltaire

Something that Voltaire couldn't say anymore without going to jail in the country of Voltaire. :roll:"


Here's something else Voltaire wouldn't be able to say in the country of Voltaire:

"They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race..." - Voltaire
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Hannover » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:18 pm)

Voltaire also said:
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of Truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
The Internet is demolishing the false narrative promoted by arrogant Jewish supremacists. From the slaughter of the Palestinians to the lies of Auschwitz the world is recognizing the dangers of Jewish supremacism.
The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:54 pm)

Kladderadatsch wrote:Thanks Black Rabbit.

Your French politician is Christian Vanneste. Mind you, I don't really know anything about him, I just tried googling "homosexuels negationniste" and his name popped up. But he's definitely the guy.

I don't have time to pursue it myself just now, but if you run this part (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian ... _en_France) of the French Wikipedia article through Google Translate, it should give you a pretty good idea of what the fuss was about.



Thanks for that.

It sounds like an interesting story. Hopefully someone might write a scholarly article on it one day.
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Postby hermod » 4 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:30 pm)

Steve F wrote:Here's something else Voltaire wouldn't be able to say in the country of Voltaire:

"They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race..." - Voltaire


Consistent with the warning of ÜberZionist Chaim Weizmann after WW1 and the events that took place subsequently...

"We reached the [Balfour] Declaration not by miracles, but through persistent propaganda, through unceasing demonstration of the life force of our people. We told the responsible authorities: We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not. You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." - World Zionist leader [and future 1st President of Israël] Chaim Weizmann, speech in Jerusalem, December 1919.
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Postby phdnm » 4 years 7 months ago (Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:26 am)

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This morning in France ...

I'm Charlie. I own my Charlie and Dieudonné has never made me laugh.

Good, You may go.

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Beware! Épuration!
[Épuration: a purification or purge of the disloyal]

Yes, this one also isn't Charlie

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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 7 months ago (Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:43 am)

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(There's a never-ending supply of these.)

Jim Clancy, CNN reporter and anchor of thirty-four years service suddenly out of a job after he uses the word "hasbara" in a tweet. Let's nick some content from the Jerusalem Post, lol:

CNN’s Jim Clancy resigns after controversial Israel tweets

Veteran CNN anchor Jim Clancy stepped down on Friday, one week after a series of Twitter posts in which he mocked :roll: pro-Israel tweeters on a thread discussing the Charlie Hebdo massacre.

Neither CNN nor Jim Clancy gave a reason for his departure, which was reported by AdWeek. Clancy had worked at CNN for 34 years.

Although Clancy’s Twitter account no longer existed as of Thursday, the tweets have been preserved on a number of websites, including Twitchy and Mediaite, and by Tablet journalist Yair Rosenberg.

On Jan. 7, Clancy posted a tweet arguing that the cartoons posted by the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, which was attacked last week by Islamist gunmen who killed 12, did not mock the Muslim prophet Muhammad.

“The cartoons NEVER mocked the Prophet,” he wrote. “They mocked how the COWARDS tried to distort his word. Pay attention.”

Challenged on the accuracy of the statement by Oren Kessler, a deputy director of research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Clancy tweeted, “Hasbara?,” a Hebrew term used to describe public relations efforts by the Israeli government.

In the ensuing debate, Clancy argued that “Pro-Israel voice [sic] try to convince us that cartoonists were really anti Muslim” and accused a pair of Twitter accounts of being part of a public relations campaign for Israel. One of those accounts, called Jews Making News, is an anti-Semitic account “Dedicated to fingering #Jewish main players & their minions in news stories.”

Clancy later told the Twitter account for Human Rights News, “You and the Hasbara team need to pick on some cripple at the edge of the herd.”

Jay Ruderman, head of the Ruderman Family Foundation, which is dedicated to advocacy and inclusion for the disabled, demanded an apology from Clancy and CNN. Ruderman said the use of the term “cripple” was insensitive.

http://www.jpost.com/International/CNNs ... ets-388022


The amazing thing about the affair is that, reading between the lines, it's clear that, initially at least, Clancy was just being a good little liberal and trying to defend Muslims and Islam from sweeping (aka, "racist," "islamophobic") accusations.

In that context, Clancy was indeed wrong: he underestimated the genuinely anti-Islamic nature of Charlie Hebdo's material (or at least the extent to which it was bound to be perceived as such by most Muslims), and so he wound up trying to make the usual case that "not all Muslims are like that," etc., etc., blah blah blah. In effect, he got his targets inverted: he wanted to defend Muslims from the usual accusations and so he tried to claim that what Charlie Hebdo was doing was not in fact peddling the usual accusations.

But clearly that's not so. The one exception might be the cartoon with Mohammed himself doing a facepalm and complaining about the Allahu Akhbar types (caption: "Mohammed overwhelmed by fundamentalists" bubble: "It's hard being loved by idiots"; image here http://i.imgur.com/UvtIQjK.jpg . . . I won't hotlink it, I don't want to see some jihadi chopping off Bradley's head on YouTube someday, lol). Clancy may have been thinking of that image: it's among those most talked about and reproduced, presumably since it's "safer" than the others, and it actually does have a defensible satirical point. If he had looked farther, however, he undoubtedly would have seen that there wasn't much point defending Charlie Hebdo with the "satirical nuance" argument. Charb & Co. were out to shock and offend, pure and simple.

At any rate, I wonder if it wasn't simply a matter of displaced anger. After a lifetime of playing shabbos goy to Wolf Blitzer and his crew, Clancy must be pretty fed up with the ways of the Jewish commentariat. And so when he saw them going on about "provocation" on the part of Charlie Hebdo, he rushed in to defend Charlie in the mistaken belief he was defending Muslims . . . presumably because he just couldn't stand the hypocrisy of those who were, once more and yet again, doing all the talking.

And then, when he was challenged on it, he lost his cool and blurted out the forbidden word . . . cut to scene of Chief Rabbi rending his robes in fury . . . "Hasbara!"

Because you're not allowed to notice. (Shoah trumps Nakba every time.)

Some of Clancy's tweets:
The notion that every Muslim is a terrorist opponent of truth, justice and the American way needs to be tested. Methinks.
— Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 8, 2015
The Hasbara (Israeli explaining the inconsistencies of Human Rights) team has declared victory over @ClancyCNN – next up, #ICC
— Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 8, 2015
Here's the rub: @JewsMakingNews @elderofziyon are accounts with about 50 followers…who are also part of a PR campaign that is anti-Muslim
— Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 8, 2015
These accounts are part of a campaign to do PR for #Israel @JewsMakingNews @elderofziyon Nothing illegal – but PR not HR : Human Rights
— Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 8, 2015
That would explain a great deal.
@HumanRights2K Get a grip, junior. It's my Friday night. You and the Hasbara team need to pick on some cripple on the edge of the herd.
— Jim Clancy (@clancycnn) January 8, 2015


This is what the fine "journalists" at Twitchy call an "incoherent anti-Israel tirade." (You can read the whole thing here: http://twitchy.com/2015/01/07/cnn-clown ... el-tirade/.)


p.s. If there are any students out there reading this, print yourself up a resume under the name Avi Gelbstern and send it off to these folks: http://www.hasbarafellowships.org/. You could finance a personal revisionist library with the money, and tell them that you're using it to combat Holocaust denial online. :lol:
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby hermod » 4 years 7 months ago (Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:27 pm)

Interesting video about Dieudonné and the quenelle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhR25o6JdxU
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