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David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby PotPie » 4 years 1 day ago (Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:57 pm)

https://youtu.be/UHuK1RF89Vk?t=13m18s. I knew the report was fraudulent, but Irving dug into it deeper.

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby borjastick » 4 years 20 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:03 am)

Many criticise Irving for all sorts of reasons, some of which are valid. But when he was on fire, on form, such as in this speech he was magnificent!

He ripped the Vrba report to shreds and frankly we should be far more active on this than perhaps we have been thus far. His point about it (the report) and the authors, not being mentioned or submitted to the Nuremberg trial is massively significant. Let's not forget that most of the 'evidence' produced at Nuremberg was either Russian made up documents and copies at best or word of mouth, second and third hand nonsense.

None of which was dissected and analysed because the normal rules of evidence were thrown to the winds of story land.

Excellent stuff and a great speech by Irving.

Room 101 perhaps for this Vrba-Wetzler report.
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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Turpitz » 4 years 19 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:56 am)

Many criticise Irving for all sorts of reasons, some of which are valid. But when he was on fire, on form, such as in this speech he was magnificent!


I don't have any other reasons other than he is a turncoat. How on earth you can listen to this being spoken with such conviction and then to see him today, running around with both legs in one knicker hole waving the 2.5 million at 'The Reinhardt Camps' flag, is beyond me. You don't see Rudolf, or Zundel acting in such a manner, he bottled it! And to quote Rudolf: "He is a disgrace!"

There is no way that even he could have been sincere in these videos during the eighties, if it were so, it would be impossible for him to believe in what, he so-called does now. He was a winner, just jumping on the bandwagon for the fame and prestige it might have brought him. That's the difference between him and 'real' revisionists, they do it from the heart, he did it from ego.

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Dresden » 4 years 18 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:42 pm)

Very well stated, Turpitz!
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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby PotPie » 4 years 15 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:41 pm)

borjastick wrote: He ripped the Vrba report to shreds and frankly we should be far more active on this than perhaps we have been thus far. His point about it (the report) and the authors, not being mentioned or submitted to the Nuremberg trial is massively significant. Let's not forget that most of the 'evidence' produced at Nuremberg was either Russian made up documents and copies at best or word of mouth, second and third hand nonsense.


There's a reason why all of the claimed "death camps" were in the Soviet zone. Aside from that, in researching sources for the gassings in the camps, you see a bunch of claimed witnesses with two things in common: 1) They can't get their story straight, and 2) They are admittedly involved with the camp resistance.

And as we saw admitted by Bruno Baum in Widerstand in Auschwitz, the "Auschwitzpropaganda" circulating in the world came from them.

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Werd » 4 years 14 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:52 pm)

Chapter 16 of this book lays out the facts of what the Auschwitz resistance movement was doing in terms of laying down false atrocity claims that later morphed into history. This was the Jewish revenge for being put into camps and suffering what they did.

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby bookingman » 4 years 14 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:32 pm)

Turpitz wrote:
Many criticise Irving for all sorts of reasons, some of which are valid. But when he was on fire, on form, such as in this speech he was magnificent!


I don't have any other reasons other than he is a turncoat. How on earth you can listen to this being spoken with such conviction and then to see him today, running around with both legs in one knicker hole waving the 2.5 million at 'The Reinhardt Camps' flag, is beyond me. You don't see Rudolf, or Zundel acting in such a manner, he bottled it! And to quote Rudolf: "He is a disgrace!"

There is no way that even he could have been sincere in these videos during the eighties, if it were so, it would be impossible for him to believe in what, he so-called does now. He was a winner, just jumping on the bandwagon for the fame and prestige it might have brought him. That's the difference between him and 'real' revisionists, they do it from the heart, he did it from ego.


No, he was finally broken by many years of ruthless persecution by the so called democratic west. None of the revisionists that haven't changed their stances had to go through anything that was even close to what Irving had to suffer through, so I don't believe it is in anyone's right to judge him unless they went through the same.

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Hannover » 4 years 13 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:49 pm)

An excellent video of the take down of the WRB's 'Vrba-Wexler Report', Irving at his best. Thanks to Eva Larsen for putting it up at YouTube, thanks to PotPie for posting it here.

borjastick makes a crucial point here that can be applied in general to the impossible 'holocaust' storyline.

The fraudulent WRB Vrba-Wexler report was not used at Nuremberg, or any 'trial', and that is but the tip of the iceberg.

We have seen over & over again alleged "documents", "reports", and claimed "eyewitnesses" which are said to be conclusive and damning yet they were never introduced into various "trials". The question remains ... why? As we have shown at this forum, they do not pass the smell test, that's why.

As for Irving, I too have been one who has become disgusted with his easily demonstrated nonsense about the Reinhardt camps, but who really knows what sort of pressure & threats have been made against him? There's a good reason why he got out jail early.
Irving and David Cole (who was threatened physically) apparently are tied to the hip in their irrational Reinhardt camps, 'holocaust'-lite fall back retreat.
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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Turpitz » 4 years 12 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:13 pm)

No, he was finally broken by many years of ruthless persecution by the so called democratic west. None of the revisionists that haven't changed their stances had to go through anything that was even close to what Irving had to suffer through, so I don't believe it is in anyone's right to judge him unless they went through the same.


I believe I'm perfectly entitled to have an opinion on whom I please, exactly like he does. I disagree in regard to the magnitude of his wanton suffering. You should do a touch of research on what Zundel had to endure for years, they even burned his house down, he went down for a lot longer than Irving also. Faurisson had his face smashed in. Irving knew very well what he was letting himself in for, it was no secret what revisionists were up against. And at the end of the day he could have just shut his mouth, but no, his ego won't let him.

There's a good reason why he got out jail early.


Your damn right there is. Sad thing about it is, I can remember his bragging at what a stroll in the park it was for a 'Public Schoolboy'.

I may be wrong, but I somehow think we haven't heard the last from them.


Yep! If conditions become favourable once again, back he will pop, just as quick as he exited. Not someone I would personally want in my corner if the shit hit the fan. I should never be able to turn my back on him without feeling apprehensive about it..

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Dresden » 4 years 12 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:49 pm)

bookingman said:

"None of the revisionists that haven't changed their stances had to go through anything that was even close to what Irving had to suffer through"

I know you're serious, bookingman, so I won't even ask you if that was satire.

The lifetime of suffering that Sylvia Stolz, Ursula Haverbeck and countless other Germans have gone through seeing their fellow Germans and their beloved Fatherland destroyed by the greatest blood libel in the history of the world, is a soul-rending and heart wrenching suffering; plus the persecution, slander, loss of employment, and imprisonment they have to endure is far greater than anything the turncoat has ever "suffered".

Vincent Reynouard has suffered and is suffering far more than Irving.

Ernst Zundel suffered a hundred times more than Irving.

Fred Leuchter and Robert Faurisson both have suffered far more than Irving.

There are many others I could mention.

None of these people have become traitors to their profession and to humanity that depends on historical truth.

None of these people have cursed Germany with the blood libel of exterminating millions of Jews.....but David Irving has done all these things and much more.

David Irving didn't have to become a traitor and an accuser.....he could have just kept his yap shut.
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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby k0nsl » 4 years 6 hours ago (Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:54 pm)

You know, what irks me about David Irving? He published the 'holocaust controversies' manifesto on his site, got in a rage when I asked him if he could possibly reference the demolishment it received by MGK.

He effectively ended the exchange by saying he doesn't read books. :?

I don't ever write to him any more after that incident.

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby borjastick » 3 years 11 months ago (Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:45 am)

My comments about Irving were an observation of his potency and clarity of thought at that time and not what happened to him, or what he has done since.

My comments were about the Vrba report and his demolition of it. He may have strayed off piste since but that's not the issue here.
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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby hermod » 3 years 11 months ago (Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:51 am)

PotPie wrote:https://youtu.be/UHuK1RF89Vk?t=13m18s. I knew the report was fraudulent, but Irving dug into it deeper.


As Irving said, the War Refugee Board consisted of 3 men: Secretary of War Henry Stimson, Secretary of State Cordell Hull and Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr. When the so-called Vrba-Wetzler report was released, Hull was ill and off, and Stimson was completely unaware of it and its content. Stimson first heard of it in newspapers after it had been released. So Morgenthau, a Zionist Jew with "all the zeal of a neophyte" as Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann once put it in those days, was the only originator of that 'report'. Read below the surreal discussion between Morgenthau and Stimson after the release of the "Vrba-Wetzler report" by Morgenthau alone. Zionist atrocity propaganda for the post-war establishment of the state of Israel by the victors of WW2...

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In late 1944, the "Vrba-Wetzler report" and the release of it by Morgenthau, as well as the "Pilecki report" to a much smaller extent, turned what had been so far Zionist baseless claims about Auschwitz-Birkenau and the 'Holocaust' in general into an established "fact beyond denial" on the authority of the US government.

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As Irving also said, no Rudolf Vrba at Nuremberg, no Alfred Wetzler, no Henry Morgenthau Jr., but also no Gerhart Riegner, no Stephen Wise, no Sydney Silverman, no Richard Lichtheim, no Cordell Hull, no Sumner Welles, no Leland Harrison, etc.
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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Hannover » 3 years 11 months ago (Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:35 pm)

borjastick wrote:My comments about Irving were an observation of his potency and clarity of thought at that time and not what happened to him, or what he has done since.
My comments were about the Vrba report and his demolition of it. He may have strayed off piste since but that's not the issue here.

I certainly agree. Irving's debunking of this fake 'report' (the thread topic) stands on it's own, regardless of his vaunted "ego" and later drift.

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Re: David Irving Exposes the Vrba-Wetzler Report

Postby Zulu » 3 years 11 months ago (Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:59 pm)

PotPie wrote:https://youtu.be/UHuK1RF89Vk?t=13m18s. I knew the report was fraudulent, but Irving dug into it deeper.

Few years ago I read a well documented book in Spanish, available on internet, which debunked this Vrba-Wetzler Report with a lot of good arguments:
LOS "PROTOCOLOS DE AUSCHWITZ": ¿UNA FUENTE HISTORICA? by Enrique Aynat,Published on internet by AAARGH, 2002.
(The protocols of Auschwitz: A historical Source?)
I write here the last lines of his conclusion on p.61 (emphasis maintained)
....En consecuencia, si, como se ha visto, Auschwitz no era un lugar hermético, ya que existían canales de información que enlazaban el campo con el exterior, y si las organizaciones judías eslovacas mantenían contactos con Polonia, legales o clandestinos, es más que probable que estas organizaciones recibieran información procedente del interior de Auschwitz, adonde también habían ido a parar miles de judíos deportados de Eslovaquia. Mi tesis sostiene precisamente que esta comunicación existió y que alguien perteneciente a una de estas organizaciones judías eslovacas "fabricó" los Protocolos de Auschwitz tomando como base informaciones fragmentarias recibidas del interior del campo.
.....En definitiva, los Protocolos de Auschwitz no resisten la crítica. Son apócrifos y contienen una gran cantidad de información falsa. Forzosamente ha de concluirse que su valor como fuente histórica es nulo.
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Translation
.---Consequently, if, as seen, Auschwitz was not an airtight place, as there were information channels that linked the country to the outside, and if Slovak Jewish organizations maintained contacts, legal or clandestine, with Poland, it is more than likely that these organizations received information from inside Auschwitz, where also have had arrived thousands of Jews deported from Slovakia. My thesis sustains precisely that this communication existed and that someone from one of these Slovak Jewish organizations "fabricated" Auschwitz Protocols by taking as basis fragmentary information received from inside the camp.
---In short, the Protocols of Auschwitz do not withstand criticism. They are apocryphal and contain a lot of false information. Necessarily it must be concluded that its value as a historical source is null.
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