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95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Inquisitor » 4 years 1 week ago (Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:42 am)

Berlin (AFP) - A 95-year-old former medic at the Auschwitz death camp is fit to stand trial for at least 3,681 counts of accessory to murder, a German appeals court ruled Tuesday, overturning an earlier verdict.

Hubert Z. was a medical orderly at the camp from August 15, 1944 to September 14, 1945, when 14 trains carrying prisoners -- including the teenage diarist Anne Frank -- arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau where many would eventually be killed in the gas chambers.

Prosecutors say Z. was both "aware of the purpose of the Birkenau camp as an extermination camp" as well as of its structure.



http://news.yahoo.com/ex-auschwitz-medi ... 10561.html


The madness continues - 95 years old for Heaven's sake! Prosecutors say he was "aware." But "aware" of what exactly? Can he demand proof for their claims of what he was supposedly "aware" some seven decades ago? Of course not...that would be yet another crime!


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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby k0nsl » 4 years 1 week ago (Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:39 am)

What's even more outrageous is that this good man likely saved lives with his work while attached to the SS Medical Corps unit at Auschwitz in 1944.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Dresden » 4 years 1 week ago (Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:06 pm)

Why do "they" call him "Z"?
Why are "they" afraid to mention his name"

Is it because "prying eyes" might ask for proof?

This sure is Orwellian.
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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby NLH » 4 years 1 week ago (Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:25 pm)

Steve F wrote:Why do "they" call him "Z"?
Why are "they" afraid to mention his name"

Is it because "prying eyes" might ask for proof?

This sure is Orwellian.


His name is Hubert Zafke: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eople.html

Apparently, "medics often poured Zyklon-B pesticide into the gas chambers to kill them," and "Although classed as a medic, such personnel at Auschwitz were not concerned with the health of inmates, but often poured in the Zyklon-B pesticide crystals into the gas chamber to murder them."

And, "Zafke does not deny his service at Auschwitz but claims: 'I heard nothing, saw nothing, killed no-one.'

About him:

"in 1948 he was sentenced by a Polish court because of his S.S. membership to three years in jail,, returning to Neubrandenburg in Germany after serving his time... Zafka was present when Anne Frank came in on a train from Holland's Westerbork concentration camp on September 5, 1944 carrying 498 men, 442 women and 79 children... The indictment shows that Zafke, who now lives in the tiny village of Gnevkow north of Berlin, joined the Hitler Youth when he was a teenager in his hometown of Schoenau, which now lies in Poland... The son of a farmer, he attended high school and an agricultural college intending to follow in his father's footsteps. In 1933, aged 13, he joined the Hitler Youth and six years later was in the S.S. He received his grounding in concentration camp training at Dachau, the first of the Nazi camps where 36,000 people were murdered during its 12 years of operation. As a junior squad leader – a rank usually given to men singled out as future officer material – Zafke transferred to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944... Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army on January 27 1945, now World Holocaust Day, but Zafke had already gone west and fell into British hands. He was later transferred back to Poland where he was given his jail sentence in 1948 for his membership in the S.S. and service at Auschwitz. He returned to Germany, married and fathered four sons who he brought up in Gnevkow... He made a career out of manufacturing and selling agricultural products, including pesticides."

I wonder if he denies the gas chambers, etc. or will go the way of Oskar Groning
A viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7622

Also see the case of the 91 year old Grandmother: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9791
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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Inquisitor » 4 years 1 week ago (Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:14 pm)

One can always count of the Daily Mail for pure propaganda - God what a confusing, poorly written mess!

And then there is this chestnut:

Prosecutors said: 'He is not charged with any single specific murder but as a functionary in the Nazi murder machine which he enabled.

How convenient. Thus, he's guilty just because he was there - plain and simple. And the tangible, physical evidence of this "murder machine" is what? Is where?

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Hektor » 4 years 1 week ago (Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:11 pm)

When I speak to people in Germany about "the Holocaust" and ask detailed questions about it, I get first evading answers, then threads and insults and then told that it is the social consensus that happened. It's a cult like feature and it's more then ordinary cultural hegemony of some idea. And it's extremely difficult to deny the core beliefs of a cult, when you have been guided into it over time. So no surprise, if someone would believe something happened although he doesn't really have experienced it differently. Cults manage to manipulate memories pretty easily. And the Germans were traumatized during and after the war for a while, especially if they were personally confronted with death, suffering or imprisonment.

But lets see, would really love to see a Revisionist managing to interview any of the last accused.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby blacksmith » 4 years 5 days ago (Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:10 pm)

Whether the man is guilty of anything or not does not seem to bother the Jewish bloodhounds, the purpose of the excersise is to keep the idea of the holocaust alive. The purpose of the holocaust was to destroy Germany and the German nation totally and any national state that seems to get his head above water.

The other day I heard a talk show host making the following statement. Although it is not a direct quote I will put it in quotation marks: "After WWII the idea was to kill all the Nazi educated soldiers and civilians or wait till they all died out. They concentrated in the mean time on brain-washing the German youth." To-day we have nearly arrived at the point where the majority of the Germans all believe the holocaust lie. They call Angela Merkel Mutti, oh, shades of 1984. Mutti takes care of us as long as we do what she wants. Luckily Mutti made a major mistake by trying to displace all the Germans with second class people from the Middle East.

But for evereything to take place as planned, the holocaust must be kept alive, hence the latest insanity of hounding a 95 year ofld man who had nothing to do with anything. But German lawyers and judges chant the same mantra that was told to them since they were children. Unfortunately it is not only the Germans who are so brain-washed, the rest of Europe is in the same boat. All these democrates do not seem to understand that being led by the Jewish minority is not democracy.

I sincerely hope that the pendulum will swing the other way soon we shall begin to drive the cursed Jews out from our mids. Hitler was right, not unlike Maria Therisia both of whom felt that for the nation to survive it had to get rid of the Jewish bankers and usurers.

I hope this poor man will be able to keep his senses and not start to babble about how guilty he has been feeling about all those poor Jews who died in those camps.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Zulu » 4 years 5 days ago (Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:38 pm)

Inquisitor wrote:One can always count of the Daily Mail for pure propaganda - God what a confusing, poorly written mess!

And then there is this chestnut:

Prosecutors said: 'He is not charged with any single specific murder but as a functionary in the Nazi murder machine which he enabled.

How convenient. Thus, he's guilty just because he was there - plain and simple. And the tangible, physical evidence of this "murder machine" is what? Is where?

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According to an article on the French newspaper ¨Le Figaro¨, Hubert Zafke would be responsible for the death of ¨at least 3,681 Jews gassed upon arriving¨ at Auschwitz (au moins 3.681 juifs gazés dès leur arrivée)
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2015/ ... raitre.php
What I don't understand, is why the defense never ask for, let see, some 10 names of the Jews supposed gassed from that list of 3,681 and then try to make some research at Bad Arolsen in order to find what really happened to them.
If, by chance, they find that at least one of them was died at another place with a registered cause of death (surely not by gassing), then the axiom of the prosecution ¨3,681 Jews gassed upon arriving¨ would be proved false.
How many cases like the Eugene Black one?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rs-on.html

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby blacksmith » 4 years 5 days ago (Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:41 pm)

Hi Zulu, your questions are spot on. However, you forget that there really is no defence for these unfortunate men. Do you really expect any self respecting German lawyer to put up any defence at all after what happened to Sylvia Stoltz? Look what happened in the case of David Irving vs Lipstadt. The judge knew clearly who was in the right yet he still pronounced against Irving.

The very statement "3,681 Jews gassed upon arriving" is nonsense. If such had been the case, how did the unfotunate Ann Frank not get gassed in Auschwitz?? How about those fat little children who were "liberated" by the Soviets did not get gassed? The moment anyone raises any questions he or she is immediately attacked as an anti=semite and a Nazi. Our politicians are on the payroll of Jewish oligarchs and any country that does not buckle under their will it get attacked by the bloodhounds from the US.

Thank God for the Stoltzs and the Zuendels and the Rudolfs and hundreds of others who went to jail for daring to speak the truth. Yes, it would be great to make them give us just one name who was gassed at any of the work camps. Yes, Mr. Z worked at one of those camps and probably tried his best to save as many of the inmates as he could. What happened to double jeopardy? Had he not been already convicted for serving in the SS in Poland? He servede three years and was a free man, that until some Jew decided that let's take another kick at the Nazi can. Let's see if we can extort some more money from the Germans. Kuje UI said earlier, it is of no importnace what the man did or did not do, but just by the very fact we can open up the holo subject again, we are achieving our purposes. That is the Jewish slogan. But one day they will overreach themselves and then see what will happen to them.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Hektor » 4 years 5 days ago (Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:34 am)

One could act as "Nebenklaeger" / "friend of the court" or anything to the like. And then ask all those questions. Show no mercy want all the hard evidence in the name of the unknown victims. That puts one on the offensive and not on the defensive, where you are at the mercy of mistakes the enemy makes.

Personally I presume all they got is a deportation list and I doubt they actually went further. But demanding the names would be a good starts.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby borjastick » 4 years 5 days ago (Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:28 am)

Hektor wrote:One could act as "Nebenklaeger" / "friend of the court" or anything to the like. And then ask all those questions. Show no mercy want all the hard evidence in the name of the unknown victims. That puts one on the offensive and not on the defensive, where you are at the mercy of mistakes the enemy makes.

Personally I presume all they got is a deportation list and I doubt they actually went further. But demanding the names would be a good starts.


Correct, a deportation list is in the mind of all jews a list of those killed. In other words if they were in a certain town or city before the war and not there afterwards they were definitely gassed by the Germans, end of. If they were there afterwards they would be counted as survivors and eligible for compensation...
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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Hektor » 4 years 4 days ago (Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:57 am)

borjastick wrote:
Hektor wrote:One could act as "Nebenklaeger" / "friend of the court" or anything to the like. And then ask all those questions. Show no mercy want all the hard evidence in the name of the unknown victims. That puts one on the offensive and not on the defensive, where you are at the mercy of mistakes the enemy makes.

Personally I presume all they got is a deportation list and I doubt they actually went further. But demanding the names would be a good starts.


Correct, a deportation list is in the mind of all jews a list of those killed. In other words if they were in a certain town or city before the war and not there afterwards they were definitely gassed by the Germans, end of. If they were there afterwards they would be counted as survivors and eligible for compensation...

Yeah, that seems to be the logic. And I heard Jews saying they got a letter from one of their aid organizations notifying them that their relatives "were gassed". Would love to get my hand on this one. Of course scan and share it then. If that Jew told the truth, their should be some of those in the archives.

But to get back to the case above. I hope his persecutors realize that the will may turn one day. And then their prosecution may consider the kind of 'law' they established themselves. Punishing people just for being part of an organization at a specific place at a specific time.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby bookingman » 4 years 3 days ago (Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:59 pm)

The crusade against the elderly is the most sickening aspect of this hoax. It shows you they have no limits, nothing is sacred.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby phdnm » 3 years 10 months ago (Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:15 am)

Nevertheless the court acknowledged that he had "cognitive impairments and low physical capacity" and ordered regular breaks during the hearings, as well as medical care.


Yes, but...

"Shylock" will his pound of flesh.


Ex-Auschwitz medic to stand trial on February 29


01/18/2016

Berlin (AFP) - A 95-year-old former medic at the Auschwitz death camp will go on trial next month on at least 3,681 counts of accessory to murder, German authorities said Monday.

Hubert Zafke was a medical orderly at the camp from August 15, 1944 to September 14, 1945, when 14 trains carrying prisoners -- including the teenage diarist Anne Frank -- arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau where many would eventually be killed in the gas chambers.

Ahead of proceedings due to begin February 29, prosecutors said Zafke was "aware of the purpose of the Birkenau camp as an extermination camp" as well as of its structure.

"Given his awareness, the accused lent support to the organisation of the camp and was thereby both involved in and advanced the extermination," said prosecutors in an earlier statement as they charged Zafke for complicity in the "cruel and insidious killings of at least 3,681" people.

The trial at the north-eastern town of Neubrandenburg comes after an appeals court overturned an earlier ruling that the elderly accused was unfit to stand trial.

Nevertheless the court acknowledged that he had "cognitive impairments and low physical capacity" and ordered regular breaks during the hearings, as well as medical care.

German media had reported that Zafke was suffering from dementia.

The trial is due to run through March, although the sessions would be determined by Zafke's health condition.

Some 1.1 million people, most of them European Jews, perished between 1940 and 1945 in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp before it was liberated by Soviet forces.

Frank, who arrived in Auschwitz with her parents and sister, was later transferred to another camp, Bergen-Belsen, where she died in March 1945.

Seventy years after the trials of top Nazis began in Nuremberg, Germany is racing against time to prosecute the last Third Reich criminals to make up for decades of neglect.

Around a dozen investigations are currently under way against former SS officers, just months after the so-called "Bookkeeper of Auschwitz" Oskar Groening was sentenced to four years in jail as an accessory to murder in 300,000 cases in which Hungarian Jews were sent to the gas chambers between May and July 1944.


http://news.yahoo.com/ex-auschwitz-medi ... 21487.html

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby fountainhead » 3 years 10 months ago (Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:58 pm)

Sickening.

Is anyone after the remnants of the NKVD for the thousands of murders they were "accessory" to?
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