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The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Callahan » 5 years 11 months ago (Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:47 am)

In the early years of WWII, from 1939 to 1941, Germany had enacted a program to euthanize hopelessly insane and disabled persons at a time when resources were desperately needed. This policy was ultimately abandoned after retaliation from the German public. Holocaust propagandists have since portrayed this policy to have been an extraordinarily evil eugenics effort as a precursor to the needless 'mass extermination' of European Jews. Propagandists have also referred to contemporary sterilization laws in Germany but fail to address that these laws proceeded the more atrocious model set by American programs from a decade prior. From Wikipedia:
The principal targets of the American program were the intellectually disabled and the mentally ill, but also targeted under many state laws were the deaf, the blind, people with epilepsy, and the physically deformed. According to the activist Angela Davis, Native Americans, as well as African-American women[35] were sterilized against their will in many states, often without their knowledge while they were in a hospital for other reasons (e.g. childbirth).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory ... ted_States

Euthanasia hasn't been exclusive to Germany, either. Belgium passed a law last Sunday that permits terminally-ill children of any age to request euthanasia:

http://rt.com/news/belgium-king-sign-eu ... -bill-566/

Propagandists of the Holocaust scrape for fragments of information to misrepresent as a coherent 'extermination' storyline where Germans play the role of "a special kind of evil". Yet again, these propagandists are running on "EMPTY".

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Mkk » 5 years 11 months ago (Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:30 pm)

I've noticed that Believers devote more and more space in their books to the Euthanasia programme, and alleged gassing during it. I think it's because of any proof of gassing of Jews (and where's the proof for gassings of euthanasia victims anyway?).

I am quite concerned about this Belgium child euthanasia law, and would be even more concerned if a system such as that in WW2 Germany was set up - but nevertheless, no proof of a wider murder programme which was allegedly performed for very different reasons.
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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Zulu » 5 years 11 months ago (Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:57 pm)

Callahan wrote:In the early years of WWII, from 1939 to 1941, Germany had enacted a program to euthanize hopelessly insane and disabled persons at a time when resources were desperately needed. This policy was ultimately abandoned after retaliation from the German public. Holocaust propagandists have since portrayed this policy to have been an extraordinarily evil eugenics effort as a precursor to the needless 'mass extermination' of European Jews. Propagandists have also referred to contemporary sterilization laws in Germany but fail to address that these laws proceeded the more atrocious model set by American programs from a decade prior.

Since the end of WWII, it is widely believed that eugenics' practices were a specificity of the nazis, the truth must be restablished by showing other programs developed in different modern "democracies". For instance, who knows that Zionists had such kind of plans for Israel?
Research by an Israeli PhD student has exposed the eugenic plans of a number of Jewish doctors and Zionist thinkers before World War II. According to Dr Sachlav Stoler-Liss of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, some of Israel's founding fathers proposed castrating the mentally ill, sterilising the poor, limiting the size of "families of Eastern origin" and "preventing... lives that are lacking in purpose".

"Eugenics is considered to be something that only happened in Germany," says Dr Stoler-Liss. "Germany was indeed the most murderous manifestation of eugenics, but in fact it was a movement that attracted many followers.... in both Germany and in Israel a link was made between eugenics, health and nationalism."

One of the leading Zionist thinkers was Dr Max Nordau, whose bizarre theories about "degenerate art" were also taken up by the Nazis. He called for a "Judaism of muscle" to replace "the Jew of the coffee house: the pale, skinny, Diaspora Jew". His followers argued that to preserve the purity of the Jewish race, degenerates -- people who were mentally retarded, blind or deaf, for instance -- should not have children.

Although one of the leading eugenicists published an article calling for restricting birth rates amongst "poor families from the East" in the early 1950s, eugenics lost its appeal after the Holocaust and the foundation of the state of Israel. But "eugenic thinking is alive and well today," says Dr Stoler-Liss. "It is expressed mainly in the very high rate of pre-natal tests and genetic filtering. Mothers are very highly motivated to give birth only to healthy children and the attitude towards the exceptional, the different and the handicapped in Israeli society is problematic."
http://www.australasianbioethics.org/Ne ... tml#before

And more
`Do not have children if they won't be healthy!'
By Tamara Traubmann

A shocking new study reveals how key figures in the pre-state Zionist establishment
proposed castrating the mentally ill, sterilizing the poor and doing everything possible to ensure reproduction only among the `best of people.'

Castrating the mentally ill, encouraging reproduction among families "numbered among the intelligentsia" and limiting the size of "families of Eastern origin" and "preventing ... lives that are lacking in purpose" - these proposals are not from some program of the Third Reich but rather were brought up by key figures in the Zionist establishment of the Land of Israel during the period of the British Mandate. It turns out there was a great deal of enthusiasm here for the improvement of the hereditary characteristics of a particular race (eugenics). This support, which has been kept under wraps for many years, is revealed in a study that examines the ideological and intellectual roots at the basis of the establishment of the health system in Israel.

In the Yishuv (pre-state Jewish community) in the 1930s there were "consultation
stations" operating on a Viennese model of advice centers for couples that wished to marry and become parents. In Austria, with the Nazis' rise to power, they served for forced treatment. Here the stations were aimed at "giving advice on matters of sex and marriage, especially in the matter of preventing pregnancy in certain cases." They distributed birth-control devices for free to the penniless and at reduced prices to those of limited means. In Tel Aviv the advice stations were opened in centers of immigrant populations: Ajami in Jaffa, the Hatikvah Quarter and Neveh Sha'anan.

These are some of the findings of a doctoral thesis written by Sachlav Stoler-Liss about the history of the health services in the 1950s, under the supervision of Prof. Shifra Shvarts, head of the department of health system management at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. They were presented at the annual conference of the Israel Anthropological Association at Ben-Gurion College.

The father of the theory of eugenics was British scholar Francis Galton. It was he who coined the term - which literally means "well-born" - at the end of the 19th century. The aim of the eugenics movement was to better the human race. Galton proposed a plan to encourage reproduction among "the best people" in society and to prevent reproduction among "the worst elements."

Forced sterilization

Between the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th, Galton drew many
followers and his ideas spread rapidly to other countries in Europe (among them Germany, France, Italy, Denmark, Sweden and Belgium), to the United States and to some countries in South America. In various countries laws were passed that allowed for the forced sterilization of "hereditary paupers, criminals, the feeble-minded, tuberculous, shiftless and ne'er-do-wells." In the United States, up until 1935, about 20,000 people - "insane," "feeble-minded," immigrants, members of ethnic minorities and people with low IQs - were forcibly sterilized, most of them in California. The Californian law was revoked only in 1979. According to Dr. Philip Reilly, a doctor and executive director of the Shriver Center for Mental Retardation, in 1985 at least 19 states in the United States had laws that allowed the sterilization of people with mental retardation, (among them Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Minnesota, Mississippi, North and South Carolina, Vermont, Utah and Montana).

"Eugenics is considered to be something that only happened in Germany," says Stoler-Liss. "Germany was indeed the most murderous manifestation of eugenics, but in fact it was a movement that attracted many followers. In every place it took on a unique, local aspect.
It is interesting to note that both in Germany and in Israel a link was made between
eugenics, health and nationalism."

Stoler-Liss first encountered the eugenics texts of doctors from the Yishuv when looking for instruction books for parents for a research project for her master's degree. "I presented a text at a thesis seminar and then the instructor of the workshop said to me, `But why aren't you saying that this is a translated text?' I replied: `No, no, the text isn't translated.' `In Israel,' he said, `there are no such things.'"

She decided to look into whether there was only anecdotal and non- representative
evidence, doctors and public figures here and there who supported eugenics - and she found many publications that promoted eugenics. Supporters of the idea were key figures in the emerging medical establishment in Palestine; the people who managed and created the Israeli health system.

One of the most prominent eugenicists of the Mandatory period was Dr. Joseph Meir, a
well-known doctor who acquired his education in Vienna, served for about 30 years as the head of the Kupat Holim Clalit health maintenance organization, and after whom the Meir Hospital in Kfar Sava is named. "From his position at the very heart of the Zionist medical establishment in the land of Israel in the mid-1930s, he brought young mothers the gospel of eugenics, warned them about degeneracy and transmitted the message to them about their obligation and responsibility for bearing only healthy children," says Stoler-Liss.

Thus, for example, in 1934 Dr. Meir published the following text on the first page of
"Mother and Child," a guide for parents that he edited for publication by Kupat Holim: "Who is entitled to give birth to children? The correct answer is sought by eugenics, the science of improving the race and preserving it from degeneration. This science is still young, but its positive results are already great and important - These cases [referring to marriages of people with hereditary disorders - T.T.] are not at all rare in all nations and in particular in the Hebrew nation that has lived a life of exile for 1,800 years. And now our nation has returned to be reborn, to a natural life in the land of the Patriarchs. Is it not our obligation to see to it that we have whole and healthy children in body and soul? For us, eugenics as a whole, and the prevention of the transmission of hereditary disorders in particular, even greater value than for all other nations! ... Doctors, people involved in sport and the national leaders must make broad propaganda for the idea: Do not have children if you are not certain that they will be healthy in body
and soul!"
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Article integral, Haaretz 11 June 2004:
http://archive.org/stream/ZionistEugeni ... s_djvu.txt
Source http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShAr ... mNo=437879

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby hermod » 5 years 11 months ago (Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:42 am)

Callahan wrote:In the early years of WWII, from 1939 to 1941, Germany had enacted a program to euthanize hopelessly insane and disabled persons at a time when resources were desperately needed.


Especially true for Germans of the 1930's-1940's. The hundreds of thousands of Germans starved to death by the Allied illegal embargo during and after WW1 had taught to that time's Germans what the words "world war" and "war shortages" really meant.

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/script ... n1919.html
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It may be useful to mention that the 1st person put to death in the Nazi "Evil Euthanasia Program" was killed on his own desperate parents' request. His name was Gerhard Herbert Kretschmar, a German child born with severe disabilities. After receiving a petition from the child's parents, the German chancellor Adolf Hitler authorized one of his personal physicians, Dr Karl Brandt, to examine the child and have him killed if necessary according to his diagnosis. This marked the beginning of the program in Nazi Germany known as a "euthanasia program" (Aktion T4).

Gerhard Kretschmar was born in Pomssen, a village south-east of Leipzig. His parents were Richard Kretschmar, a farm labourer, and his wife Lina Kretschmar. Little Gerhard Kretschmar was born blind, missing an arm and a leg and seemingly retarded.

Dr Karl Brandt's testimony at Nuremberg:

"The father of a deformed child wrote to the Führer with a request to be allowed to take the life of this child or this creature. Hitler ordered me to take care of this case. The child had been born blind, seemed to be idiotic, and a leg and parts of the arm were missing."

The underlying motive was the desire to help individuals who could not help themselves and were thus prolonging their lives in torment. To quote Hippocrates today is to proclaim that invalids and persons in great pain should never be given poison. But any modern doctor who makes so rhetorical a declaration without qualification is a liar or hypocrite … I never intended anything more or believed I was doing anything but abbreviating the tortured existence of such unhappy creatures.”

It's also good to know the background of the German euthanasia program. In pre-Nazi Germany, psychiatrist Dr. Alfred Hoche and attorney Karl Binding wrote a groundbreaking book entitled “The Permission to Destroy Life Unworthy of Life” in 1920. Dr. Hoche and Binding were among the first to develop the concept of “brain dead” or “mental death,” as they called it. According to Hoche and Binding, since “brain dead” patients couldn't decide to end their lives, their doctors had to decide for them. Destroying “life unworthy of life” is “the work of healing” and “such killing is compassionate and consistent with medical ethics,” Hoche and Binding advocated.

Aktion T4 wasn't an eugenic measure. The Nazi eugenic measure was sterilization with the "Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring" .

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"We do not stand alone". Nazi propaganda poster from 1936. The shield is inscribed with the title of Nazi Germany's 1933 'Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring' (compulsory sterilization law). The couple is in front of a map of Germany, surroundedby the flags of nations which had enacted or were considering similar legislation.
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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 1 month ago (Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:57 pm)

Mkk wrote:I've noticed that Believers devote more and more space in their books to the Euthanasia programme, and alleged gassing during it. I think it's because of any proof of gassing of Jews (and where's the proof for gassings of euthanasia victims anyway?).


Here's parts of the October 29, 1942 draft of Herman Schweninger's purposed documentary film 'Mentally Ill'

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The following translation of page 11 (above) is from Michael Burgleigh's Death and Deliverance: Euthanasia in Germany 1900-1945:


[Doctor goes through ward.]

In these special asylums the patients will be carefully re-examined by the asylum doctor, who will also examine their case history and previous diagnoses in order to prevent all possibility of a mistake or biased decision by the referees.

[Investigatory commission.]

And so the day of deliverance for the patient arrives. Once more the personal and medical details of the patient are checked and established under the supervision of the asylum doctor.

[Photograph.]

Photographs of the patient are taken for archival purposes.

[Gas chamber.]

[Intercut to turning on of valve, gasometer, observation by a doctor.]

In a hermetically sealed room the patient is exposed to the effects of carbon monoxide gas.

The gas which streams in is totally odourless and initially robs the patient of his powers of judgement and then of consciousness.

Without pain or struggle, and totally unnoticed by the patient, the deliverance of death takes effect.

[Before and after.]

The tortured face and distorted inhuman form of the unfortunate suffering from incurable mental illness is smoothed into repose through the peace of a gentle death which finally brings the salvation of deliverance!
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Thames Darwin » 4 years 10 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:18 pm)

I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. May I ask whether you are all in agreement that people in T4 were euthanized without the permission or consent of their families?

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Hannover » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:16 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. May I ask whether you are all in agreement that people in T4 were euthanized without the permission or consent of their families?

What is your point?

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby borjastick » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:19 am)

Hannover wrote:
Thames Darwin wrote:I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. May I ask whether you are all in agreement that people in T4 were euthanized without the permission or consent of their families?

What is your point?

Thanks, Hannover

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The tide is turning.


Hannover, he is clutching at straws once again. If he can get consensus on T4 being widespread etc he can connect some imaginary dots that prove 6m jews were killed, even though they didn't exist and were supposedly killed in gas chambers that have never been found...
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Thames Darwin » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:30 am)

Hannover wrote:
Thames Darwin wrote:I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. May I ask whether you are all in agreement that people in T4 were euthanized without the permission or consent of their families?

What is your point?


I'm asking for a clarification. Is that not allowed here?

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Postby Hektor » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:35 am)

Mkk wrote:I've noticed that Believers devote more and more space in their books to the Euthanasia programme, and alleged gassing during it. I think it's because of any proof of gassing of Jews (and where's the proof for gassings of euthanasia victims anyway?).
Really?

Thames Darwin wrote:I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. May I ask whether you are all in agreement that people in T4 were euthanized without the permission or consent of their families?

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Typed pages without signatures aren't really proof, but I'm just wondering would a clerk classify his records as "top secret" or would it be stamped that way from official side?

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Hannover » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:48 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Hannover wrote:
Thames Darwin wrote:I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. May I ask whether you are all in agreement that people in T4 were euthanized without the permission or consent of their families?

What is your point?


I'm asking for a clarification. Is that not allowed here?

No strawmen.
And I'm asking you to clarify what you are trying to say. On what basis are you asking this question?

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:56 pm)

One important, yet often overlooked upshot of the T-4 Program, were the vociferous public protests against it by members of the clergy, the most prominent among them being Clemens Von Galen, the Roman Catholic bishop of Munster (later made a Cardinal by Pius XII). Despite this public dissent, the church leaders were not arrested, and Hitler, in response to public pressure, officially ended the program. I remember reading somewhere that the only time (after taking power) that Hitler was ever faced with hostile crowds was when this controversy was raging.

If this had indeed been part of "Nazi" grand strategy, i.e., "elimination of useless eaters and improvement of the race" and not a simple issuance of guidelines for euthanasia for the incurably ill or hopelessly insane, based upon good, but obviously misguided, intentions to alleviate needless suffering, wouldn't the "power mad, bloodthirsty Hitler" have simply executed the protesters, and continued with it?

Again, the more the "Holocaust" is reduced to the factual level, the more it breaks down.

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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby onetruth » 4 years 2 days ago (Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:18 pm)

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This poster (from around 1938) reads: "60,000 Reichsmark is what this person suffering from a hereditary defect costs the People's community during his lifetime. Fellow citizen, that is your money too. Read '[A] New People', the monthly magazine of the Bureau for Race Politics of the NSDAP."

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This is signed document , Hitler's order for Action T4 which reads :

Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are entrusted with the responsibility of extending the authority of physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a definitive diagnosis. — Adolf Hitler


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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby Breker » 4 years 2 days ago (Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:46 pm)

Mr. onetruth quoted:
Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are entrusted with the responsibility of extending the authority of physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a definitive diagnosis. — Adolf Hitler
And so what, sir? No one denies that Germany had a euthanasia program, as do countries today. And true enough; maintaining the incurable in horrific painful and vegetative states is costly and for no gain to patient and family. Again, so what? It's called 'mercy killing' for a reason. Please note the use of "mercy death" in your document. We also find it curious that the order by Hitler to rescind this program is not given equal time by Mr. onetruth.
If you are attempting to say the T4 program somehow morphed into 'homicidal gassings', well then, you will be called out.
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Re: The Evil Euthanasia Program

Postby onetruth » 4 years 2 days ago (Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:28 pm)

Breker wrote:And so what, sir? No one denies that Germany had a euthanasia program, as do countries today. And true enough; maintaining the incurable in horrific painful and vegetative states is costly and for no gain to patient and family. Again, so what? It's called 'mercy killing' for a reason. Please note the use of "mercy death" in your document.
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We are not discussing Mercy here sir.

We are discussing murder. The systematic murder of German citizens with disability , believing them to be an inferior group that would pass along undesirable genetic traits.

Poster published in Nazi germany showing disabled people as burden to society :

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