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NEWS ! apartheid Israel Will Prosecute Holocaust 'Deniers'

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:57 pm)

Well, I guess some folks won't be able to vacation in sunny, apartheid Israel. I'm sure Revisionists are heart broken.

Imagine that, arrested for an opinion of history. Talk about desperate! Ofcourse, nothing should surprise anyone when talking about that "shitty little country" of so called 'Israel'.

The doublespeak in this piece is amazing.
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excerpt:
Moreover, he said the passage of the law would send a message that
for the Jewish people there is "no statute of limitations" on the
Holocaust. "The generation of survivors is dwindling," he noted,
emphasizing the need to keep Nazism from rearing again.

Say what?

entire article:
Israel Will Prosecute Holocaust Deniers / Jerusalem Post, July 19, 2004

By NINA GILBERT

Holocaust denial crimes committed overseas would be an offense under
Israeli legal jurisdiction and serve as grounds for extradition
under legislation, which is expected to pass a first reading in the
Knesset this week.

The government is backing the bill, drafted by MK Aryeh Eldad
(National Union). Eldad originally proposed the measure as a move
against then Palestinian Authority prime minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu
Mazen) for his doctoral dissertation 20 years ago in which he
estimated that the Nazis killed less than a million Jews.

But the bill is unlikely to be anything more than declarative in
nature. Countries that don't have laws against Holocaust denial are
unlikely to extradite citizens to be tried in Israel for the crime,
although Israel's protective measure would not require such a law to
be on their books, according to Justice Ministry officials. Another
problem is the fact that Holocaust denial is a crime of expression,
and most countries treat such crimes liberally.

A more practical implication of the law is that it would deter
Holocaust deniers from visiting Israel.

In 1994, Israel extended its legal protection abroad for the state
and its citizens to Jews and Jewish institutions, which enables it
to obtain justice for them as it does for Israelis. At the time, the
idea of including Holocaust denial in Israel's ex-territorial laws
was considered, but eventually dropped.

Eldad said the amendment to the law in Israel, where Holocaust
denial is a crime, is necessary because "almost all" of those crimes
are committed abroad.

He said he believes the law is going to be "very practical," since
violations would give Israel the right to demand prosecution even if
it does not request extradition. He said it would also enable Israel
to file counter suits if Jews are sued for libel for labeling
Holocaust deniers.

The law would also "send a signal to a Holocaust denier like Abu
Mazen" that if he enters Israel he is a "criminal," Eldad said.

Moreover, he said the passage of the law would send a message that
for the Jewish people there is "no statute of limitations" on the
Holocaust. "The generation of survivors is dwindling," he noted,
emphasizing the need to keep Nazism from rearing again.

The bill has the support of Knesset factions on the Left and Right.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:02 pm)

They can almost sense how close the time is for the 'shit to start hitting the fan' ......Ever more draconian and desperate measures need to be introduced, to stem the rising tide.

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Postby Juan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:46 pm)

Anything can be expected from these mafia terror lords with a piece of stolen land as a base.

Extra-territorial laws, go figure.

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Postby holographic » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:12 pm)

Revisionism is one thing, being a masochist is another. Why would anyone want to go to Israel?

Are you listening A. B. Yehoshua? (Israeli novelist):

"As the number of surviving eyewitnesses to the period diminishes, the more freely will human imagination range in its attempts to achieve understanding. All of this will have to be met in a spirit of patience and openness. The horror of the events and the sufferings of the victims will not rob the new attempts - including new emotional and moral judgements - of legitimacy. The freedom of man's spirit suffers no restriction. Hence we must be aware that further study is liable to inflict new pain and will sometimes require that generally accepted views, which, it seemed, were firmly and solidly established, be abandoned."

- A. B. Yehoshua, Between Right and Right, trans. Arnold Schwartz (Garden City, N.Y., 1981), 5-6


This of course seems to be an endorsement of Revisionism, and indeed it is. Zionist revisionism!!! I think what Yehoshua is trying to say is; "oh, and all this time I thought it was 6 million - now you're telling me it's 10 million, why God, why?"

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Postby JackBQuick » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:17 pm)

But the bill is unlikely to be anything more than declarative in
nature.


:oops:
The Holocaust belief was doomed from the beginning; it rests on a rotten foundation.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:35 pm)

JBQ Wrote:

But the bill is unlikely to be anything more than declarative in
nature.


What was the point of going to the bother of passing it then?

They are just trying to tone it down. I expect in a few years down the line they will amend it to apply to all peoples regardless of whether they are Jews or not. Then if you are caught being a 'denier' they will come round and kill your baby like they do the Palestinians.

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hypocrite pieces of shit!

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Postby holographic » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:59 pm)

Turpitz, more horrific images from the 'Holy Land'. I'm appalled and disturbed by that picture :cry:

But is anyone paying attention? They're going to turn the whole world into this nightmare; if we let them.

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Postby JackBQuick » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:06 pm)

holographic wrote:Turpitz, more horrific images from the 'Holy Land'. I'm appalled and disturbed by that picture :cry:


So am I.

But is anyone paying attention? They're going to turn the whole world into this nightmare; if we let them.


When the holohoax has been exposed once and for all, people all around the world will not tolerate their inhumanity and genocide
The Holocaust belief was doomed from the beginning; it rests on a rotten foundation.

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Postby Fugazi » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:30 am)

The great thing about an elected government is that even the deranged and the stupid get to make laws - it's an equal opportunity thing.

This particular Israeli law is a stroke of pure genius. If other countries persist in respecting fundamental human rights like freedom of opinion, why not just declare your own thought crime laws to apply to their citizens too?

I'm surprised the Chinese govt hasn't picked up on this one. Instead of shooting or jailing only Chinese dissidents, they could declare criticising the Chinese govt to be illegal for anyone anywhere in the world. All you then need to do is extradite the foreign criminals who dare to disrespect the people's leaders - ah! I think there's a flaw in the plan at this point...

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Postby Petschau » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:51 am)

It is this type of double standard that brings hatred toward Israel.

Excerpted from an article at the Adelaide Institute
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Holocaust/morel1.htm

Israel, on Dec. 7, 2003 refused to extradite an accused war criminal to face trial in Poland, stating that the statute of limitations had run out on the case and Canada's Ukrainian community has reacted with fury.

A Dec. 7 Associated Press story carried by several Canadian newspapers, among them The Toronto Star and The Calgary Herald reported that Israel's Justice Ministry had refused to extradite Solomon Morel, who commanded a camp for German prisoners in southern Poland, allegedly tortured inmates and was considered responsible for at least 1,538 deaths.

Poland requested Morel's extradition in April on charges of beating and torturing prisoners and creating inhuman conditions at the Swietochlowice camp, which he commanded from February to November 1945, stated AP.

Israel refused the request last month, saying the statute of limitations had run out on the case.

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Postby Banshee » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:07 pm)

In reality the law by Israel State is more dangerous that one could think.

Israel State has asked the European Union to enter as a member. This matter will be discussed in the next months.

At same time we must not forget that a special law permits any state member to arrest a European citizen, even if they reside in another country of the EU, that law has already been approved.

So when Israel State is given membership in the EU, which seems probable, free speech granted in some states will be finished.

One can only imagine groups of free researchers arrested in every EU states and sent to Israel's courts of (in)justice!

This seems to me a terrible incubus.

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Postby Juan » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:16 pm)

Banshee wrote:Israel State has asked the European Union to enter as a member. This matter will be discussed in the next months.


THAT would be the end of the EU as a credible political inception.

They are very explicit that a state has to be cleared of territorial disputes to enter, and it's pretty obvious that any candidate has to respect humahn rights, and abolish the death penalty.

Well, LEGALLY "israel" abolished the death penalty. That's why they get sure no palestinian get to the courts!

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Postby Hyman » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:21 pm)

Within the realm of ideas, the whole concept behind freedom of speech is predicated on the right to be wrong and certainly on the right to say that the government is wrong. Leaving aside the fact that Holocaust revisionists believe themselves right, if Israel wants to put itself in the position of saying it’s illegal to be wrong about the so-called Holocaust – not only in Israel but elsewhere – it will be an real eye-opener to many who appreciate and understand freedom but who up to now may not have paid much attention to the issue of Holocaust revisionism. My guess is that this law is little more than an opportunity for cheap politicians to do some cheap posturing, but if non-Israelis are actually extradited to Israel under this law, it will only hasten the day when enough people understand that we are desperately in need of a new birth of freedom (to borrow Abe’s phrase).

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Postby kk » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:08 pm)

Turpitz, I'm shocked by the photographs you posted.
I e-mailed them to many friends of mine.
The wounds shown could have two plausible causes, at least in my opinion:
A. A shell fragment from a very close explosion.
Not very propable, due to the absence of any other significant wounds.
B. A high velocity bullet like a 7.62 at a comparatively short range(ie.
less than 100 yds). The missile was unstable and struck sideways after
brushing at something else ( a mother's arm?)

Disgusting!

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Postby TruthSeeker » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:32 pm)

So what next - will they also carry out kidnappings of dissenters and then trying them a la Eichmann, and then executing them? :roll: Someone sure sounds really worried about the truth coming out.. :roll:

illegal to be wrong

As Kyle from South Park would say, "that's a good one." :lol:


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