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AfD split cites revisionism as an issue

Postby EtienneSC » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:29 am)

The following article on splits in the Alternativ fùr Deutschland (AfD) political party in Germany references the support for revisionism of Wolfgang Gedeon, one of its former representatives in Baden-Wurtemburg:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36722818
The right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, which is surging in opinion polls, has been split by a row over anti-Semitism prompted by the views of one of its lawmakers.
Thirteen of AfD's lawmakers in a state parliament have formed a new bloc, Alternative for Baden-Wuerttemberg.
The dispute erupted over statements by one legislator, who had suggested the Holocaust was given too much attention. [...]
Wolfgang Gedeon was one of 23 AfD representatives elected to Baden-Wuerttemberg's state parliament in March, after the party took 15.1% of the vote.
In written comments, he had referred to the Holocaust as "certain misdeeds". He has also suggested Holocaust denial - illegal in Germany - was legitimate. [...]
Mr Gedeon's views on the Holocaust were expressed some years ago in a three-volume work on Christian culture in the West.

Apparently Gedeon compared the treatment of Horst Mahler to that of dissidents in China and stated that Talmudic Judaism was hostile to Christianity.
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/streit-in-der-afd-was-gedeon-ueber-amerika-nazis-und-juden-schreibt/13836796.html
His background is in medicine. It would be interested to know more about the three volume work. Apparently, it was published under the pseudonym W Meister and called Christlich-europäische Leitkultur [The Dominant Christian European Culture] (Fischer Verlag, 2009), subtitled "The challenge of secularism, Zionism and Islam".

Volume Two contains some remarks on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that suggest a lack of judgement to me. My view is that history records various Jewish groups acting at times in concert to pursue their interests and advance various social projects, as one might expect, but the Protocols are a satire on attitudes attributed to them by their Russian opponents.
http://www.hagalil.com/2016/05/wolfgang-gedeon/

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Re: AfD split cites revisionism as an issue

Postby Lysander_Spooner » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:59 am)

Henry Ford was once asked what he thought about the legitimacy of The Protocols and he said that all he knew was when you look at how things happen in the world and compare that to what The Protocols say, they match.

Mr. Gedeon is quite correct about talmudic judaism being completely hostile to Christianity. Christians need to understand that.

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Re: AfD split cites revisionism as an issue

Postby Dresden » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:06 am)

How is any of this related to the Holocaust?
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: AfD split cites revisionism as an issue

Postby k0nsl » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:27 am)

Wolfgang Gedeon sees no issue with imprisoning people for not believing in a far-fetched fairy tale concocted by a bunch of perverted jews. No, sending goys to prison for asking questions or even outright disbelieving this junk story is perfectly within reason according to this ‘gentleman’.
I have even seen some hardcore holocaust proponents condemn section 130 of the penal law (§ 130 StGB). Wolfgang Gedeon welcomes the idea to imprison anyone who is intelligent enough to discard of the holocaust story. It's actually an incredible thing to say, really.

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[EDIT: did I misinterpret what Herr. Gedeon said? when he says that "holocaust denial - illegal in Germany - is legitimate" does he mean that he thinks that it is okay to deny the alleged holocaust, or does it mean he approves of the law to send persons to jail for not believing? It's not very clear what he says.]

Steve F wrote:How is any of this related to the Holocaust?

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Re: AfD split cites revisionism as an issue

Postby EtienneSC » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:07 pm)

Steve F wrote:How is any of this related to the Holocaust?

The unambiguous meaning to me is that Gedeon thinks it should be legitimate to deny the holocaust. Hence it is related to the rights of revisionists in Germany. Horst Mahler writes about Germany from a revisionist standpoint.

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Re: AfD split cites revisionism as an issue

Postby Hektor » 4 years 1 month ago (Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:52 am)

EtienneSC wrote:
Steve F wrote:How is any of this related to the Holocaust?

The unambiguous meaning to me is that Gedeon thinks it should be legitimate to deny the holocaust. Hence it is related to the rights of revisionists in Germany. Horst Mahler writes about Germany from a revisionist standpoint.


As Etienne says. It's less what Dr. Gedeon says about the Holocaust, but that he's attacked for saying that Revisionism should be a legitimate scientific enterprise / hypothesis. And that it's wrong to jail people for expressing anything different then faith in the Holocaust.

Dr. Gedeon is however a professed believer in the Holocaust by his own press statements.

His treatment serves as a good illustration for what happens, if you diverge only slightly from the "party line" and by that I don't mean the specific policies and statements of the AfD.

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Re: AfD split cites revisionism as an issue

Postby Hektor » 3 years 11 months ago (Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:49 am)

Update Dr. Gedeon has a new page:
http://www.wolfgang-gedeon.de/

He explains his points of view in more detail there. He's a difficult character for the system, since he dances micrometers away from people they'd throw in prison for expressing an opinion.


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