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Postby Hannover » 3 years 3 months ago (Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:06 pm)

Guaranteed to make you howl. :lol:

So called "holocaust eyewitnesses" making absurd, impossible, and contradictory claims is not the exception, but the rule.

However, questions these and you will certainly be locked up in many countries.

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SHORT LIST OF HOAXOCO$T ABSURDITIES (anonymous)

· Mass graves expelling geysers of blood; [1]

· Acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons; [2]

· Injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color; [3]

· Production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates; [4]

· Skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires; [5]

· Out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man voluntarily leaps into the gas chamber at the last second to die with them; [6]

· Soap production from human fat, solemn burial of soap; [7]

· Underground mass extermination in enormous rooms by means of high voltage electricity; [8]

· Killing in vacuum chamber or with steam or chlorine gas; [9]

· Mass graves with hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans; [10]

· Gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves; [11]

· Electrical conveyor-belt executions; [12]

· Cremation of bodies in blast furnaces; [13]

· SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau; [14]

· Removal of corpses by blasting, i.e., blowing them up; [15]

· Blue haze after gassing with hydrocyanic acid (which is colorless); [16]

· Singing of national anthems and the Internationale by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence of atrocity propaganda of Communist origin; [17]

· Rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds; [18]

· Killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrocyanic acid; [19]

· Muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contract so strongly that it makes the buckets jump about; [20]

· Introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles; [21]

· Manufacture of sausages of human flesh by the SS in the crematoria; [22]

· Mummified human thumbs used as light switches in the home of Ilse Koch, wife of concentratoin camp commander Koch (Buchenwald); [23]

references:

[1] A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 141), p. 273f.; E. Wiesel, Paroles d’Etranger, Edition du Seuil, Paris 1982, p. 86; A. Eichmann, in: H. Arendt, op. cit. (note 179), p. 184; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 142), p. 214.



[2] F. Müller, in: H. Langbein, op. cit. (note 151), v. 1, p. 87; witness Wells in the Eichmann Trial, in: F. J. Scheidl, op. cit. (note 74), v. 4, p. 236.



[3] H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit. (note 152), pp. 383f.



[4] H. Langbein, ibid., p. 381.



[5] R. Höß, in: M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 71), p. 130; H. Tauber, in: J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), pp. 489f.; F. Müller, Sonderbehandlung, Steinhausen, Munich 1979, pp. 207f., 217ff.; H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit. (note 152), p. 148; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 142), pp. 10, 334f., 443; S. Steinberg, according to: Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes über

Kriegsverbrechen (ed.), Konzentrationslager Dokument 321, Reprint 2001, Frankfurt/Main 1993, p. 206; and many more.



[6] E. Bonhoeffer, op. cit. (note 213), pp. 48f.



[7] S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 15/16 & 17/18, 1946; the Soviets wanted to make this one of the charges at the IMT (Exhibit USSR-393), but this plan failed due to the other Allies; cf. H. Härtle, Freispruch für Deutschland, Schütz, Göttingen 1965, pp. 126ff.; the Greenwood Cemetery in Atlanta (Georgia, USA) is not the only site to boast a Holocaust-memorial gravestone for 4 bars of “Jewish soap”. Cf. also the following corrections: R. Harwood, D. Felderer, JHR 1(2) (1980) pp. 131-139; M. Weber, JHR 11(2) (1991) pp. 217-227.



[8] Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 339), cf. esp. S. Szende, Der letzte Jude aus Polen, Europa-Verlag, Zürich 1945; S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 19/20, 1946.



[9] Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 339), cf. esp. W. Grossmann, Die Hölle von Treblinka, Verlag für fremdsprachige

Literatur, Moscow 1947; The Black Book of Polish Jewry, Roy Publishers, New York 1943.



[10] Aside from note 349, cf. also W. Benz, Dimension des Völkermords, Oldenbourg, Munich 1991; pp. 320, 469, 479, 489, 537ff.



[11] Reports of the Polish underground movement, Archiv der Polnischen Vereinigten Arbeiterpartei, 202/III, v. 7, pp. 120f., quoted in: P. Longerich, op. cit. (note 271), p. 438.



[12] Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945, cf. U. Walendy, Historische Tatsachen No. 31: “Die Befreiung von Auschwitz 1945”, Verlag für Volkstum und Zeitgeschichtsforschung, Vlotho 1987, p. 4.



[13] H. von Moltke, Briefe an Freya 1939-1945, Beck, Munich 1988, p. 420; cf. P. Longerich (ed.), op. cit. (note 271), p. 435; Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945.



[14] Nürnberger Nachrichten, Sept. 11, 1978, reported eyewitness testimony in jury court trial, Aschaffenburg, Germany.



[15] R. Höß, in: M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 71), pp. 161f.; A. Rückerl, NS-Prozesse, op. cit. (note 127), p. 78; H. Grabitz, NS-Prozesse…, op. cit. (note 191), p. 28.



[16] R. Böck, Frankfurt Public Prosecutor’s Office, Ref. 4 Js 444/59, pp. 6881f.



[17] H. G. Adler, H. Langbein, E. Lingens-Reiner (eds.), Auschwitz – Zeugnisse und Berichte, Europäische Verlagsanstalt,

Cologne 1984, p. 76.



[18] R. Aschenauer (ed.), Ich, Adolf Eichmann, Druffel, Leoni 1980, pp. 179f.



[19] Verdict of the Hannover District Court, Ref. 2 Ks 1/60; cf. H. Lichtenstein, op. cit. (note 84), p. 83.



[20] F. Müller, op. cit. (note 345), p. 74.



[21] M. Scheckter and a report of June 4, 1945, written by an officer of the 2nd Armored Division, referring to Auschwitz; Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes über Kriegsverbrechen (ed.), op. cit. (note 345), p. 184.



[22] David Pressac, in J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), p. 554, fourth column, lines 17-22.



[23] Kurt Glass, New York Times, April 10, 1995.


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Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 months ago (Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:17 pm)

· Out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man voluntarily leaps into the gas chamber at the last second to die with them; [6]
[6] E. Bonhoeffer, op. cit. (note 213), pp. 48f.


I'd be interested in that one. Which book of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is this? Or is it a different Bonhoeffer?

Wikipedia states:
Apart from his theological writings, Bonhoeffer was known for his staunch resistance to the Nazi dictatorship, including vocal opposition to Hitler's euthanasia program and genocidal persecution of the Jews....

In April 1933, Bonhoeffer raised the first voice for church resistance to Hitler's persecution of Jews, declaring that the church must not simply "bandage the victims under the wheel, but jam the spoke in the wheel itself."[10] In retrospect, his famous speech can be seen as anti-semitic, and playing into the hands of the Nazi regime. He ascribed the suffering of the Jews to God's righteous punishment for the killing of Jesus. He used the anti-semitic terminology "Jewish problem", and accepted the authority of the state to deal with the "problem" as it saw fit....


In April 1933 there was a boycott of Jewish shops (on their Sabbath). This was in response to Jewish organisations organizing boycotts world wide against German goods. The other "persecution" was kicking Marxists out of publicly funded positions and they quite often were Jewish.

But what I would like to know, did the "resistance fighter" aka spy, hence traitor, Bonhoeffer "know" about "the Holocaust".

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Postby hermod » 3 years 3 months ago (Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:24 pm)

Hektor wrote:In April 1933 there was a boycott of Jewish shops (on their Sabbath). This was in response to Jewish organisations organizing boycotts world wide against German goods.


Zionist Jewry had indeed launched a worldwide boycott on German goods one week prior to the one-day Nazi boycott on Jewish shops. But the main impetus for the National Socialist boycott was the Zionist campaign of anti-German atrocity propaganda abroad, or as Goebbels put it at that time "the atrocity campaign which has been unloosened in America and England by interested Jewish circles against the new German regime." Fact widely unknown because the Zionists don't want people to know that their campaign of anti-German atrocity propaganda for the grabbing of Palestine began on day one of the Third Reich and climaxed 10 years later, during WW2.
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Postby Hieldner » 3 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:03 am)

Hektor wrote:I'd be interested in that one. Which book of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is this? Or is it a different Bonhoeffer?


Well, it’s E. Bonhoeffer, so it couldn’t be Dietrich. It’s a book by Emmi Bonhoeffer, the wife of Dietrich’s older brother Klaus: E. Bonhoeffer, Zeugen im Auschwitz-Prozeß, Kiefel, Wuppertal 1965, as can be learned from the more complete list of Holocaust-nonsense in Dissecting the Holocaust http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html#ftnref355. She was a “caretaker” for the witnesses in the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial
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Here’s even more nonsense https://web.archive.org/web/20050830023 ... sense.html
And still more http://historiography-project.com/satire/index.php
In fact, there’s more nonsense churned out every day, it just needs to be collected :)
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Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:15 am)

Hieldner wrote:
Hektor wrote:I'd be interested in that one. Which book of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is this? Or is it a different Bonhoeffer?


Well, it’s E. Bonhoeffer, so it couldn’t be Dietrich. It’s a book by Emmi Bonhoeffer, the wife of Dietrich’s older brother Klaus: E. Bonhoeffer, Zeugen im Auschwitz-Prozeß, Kiefel, Wuppertal 1965, as can be learned from the more complete list of Holocaust-nonsense in Dissecting the Holocaust http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html#ftnref355. She was a “caretaker” for the witnesses in the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial
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(she’s the person in the middle)

Here’s even more nonsense https://web.archive.org/web/20050830023 ... sense.html
And still more http://historiography-project.com/satire/index.php
In fact, there’s more nonsense churned out every day, it just needs to be collected :)


Ah thinks for clearing that up. To my knowledge the well connected Dietrich Bonhoeffer had something to say about the treatment of Jews by the NS-government, but he never said something about homicidal gassings in concentration camps. But I stand corrected, if somebody can show it to me from his own pen.

Getting hold of Emmi Bonhoeffer's book would also be great.

I see she and the witnesses had a good time during the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial. I wonder who had to pay for this.

Of course there is more to say about Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the circles he came from and what of the rest of the clan would become. He's treated as some Saint today, but his actual biography is of interest for other reasons as well. To me he's one of those left-protestant pastors that spends his time on eloquent, yet pretty absurd, moralizing and philosophizing, pretending to be a christian minister, while actually being something of an atheistic/agnostic humanist. I mention this, because the present president of Germany is the same kind of person. They're quite smooth-talking in what they're saying, but if you analyze it you realize that it's poison, if not meaningless phraseology.
They're also quite resentful against main stream German society. And by mainstream I down't mean the politician, media and elites, just the ordinary people. So if I transpose, I can imagine how a person like Bonhoeffer became that resentful against the government and his own people. But that may be material for a thread on its own.

Here is an interesting article
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4464857?se ... b_contents
See last paragraph on page. A pdf of this would be great.

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Postby Lysander_Spooner » 3 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:56 am)

Very few people know about the tons of balderdash that comprise the "holocaust" story. Porter's list of a few "highlights" is an excellent thing to lay before a true believer. But we have to remember that the people of the west have been the subject of relentless psychological warfare since at least the Kennedy assassination and one of the effects of this warfare is the unhinging of the mind, which produces an inability to recognize truth and respond to it appropriately. Look at the number of people who will vote for Hilldawg.

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Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:04 pm)

Lysander_Spooner wrote:Very few people know about the tons of balderdash that comprise the "holocaust" story. Porter's list of a few "highlights" is an excellent thing to lay before a true believer.

... But you must predict the possible responses. I can already imagine what they'll say: "Yah, those stories are a bit odd, but there is so much other eyewitness testimony". Remember you are dealing here with social psychology, the mindset of the common people. And they have been primed by the apparent omnipresence of "the Holocaust". How can something that is so often talked about be unreal. And after all, it's the "authorities" that proclaim and defend it. So it must be true, when all the people seem to believe in it.

Lysander_Spooner wrote:But we have to remember that the people of the west have been the subject of relentless psychological warfare since at least the Kennedy assassination and one of the effects of this warfare is the unhinging of the mind, which produces an inability to recognize truth and respond to it appropriately. Look at the number of people who will vote for Hilldawg.


What gives you the idea that there was psychological warfare after the JFK assassination, that wasn't there prior to it? Ask differently what changed, what new methods have been used? And of course what is the evidence, reference for it?

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Postby Hieldner » 3 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:10 pm)

Hektor wrote:
Hieldner wrote:
Hektor wrote:I'd be interested in that one. Which book of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is this? Or is it a different Bonhoeffer?


Well, it’s E. Bonhoeffer, so it couldn’t be Dietrich. It’s a book by Emmi Bonhoeffer, the wife of Dietrich’s older brother Klaus: E. Bonhoeffer, Zeugen im Auschwitz-Prozeß, Kiefel, Wuppertal 1965, as can be learned from the more complete list of Holocaust-nonsense in Dissecting the Holocaust http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html#ftnref355. She was a “caretaker” for the witnesses in the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial
Image
(she’s the person in the middle)

Here’s even more nonsense https://web.archive.org/web/20050830023 ... sense.html
And still more http://historiography-project.com/satire/index.php
In fact, there’s more nonsense churned out every day, it just needs to be collected :)


Ah thinks for clearing that up. To my knowledge the well connected Dietrich Bonhoeffer had something to say about the treatment of Jews by the NS-government, but he never said something about homicidal gassings in concentration camps. But I stand corrected, if somebody can show it to me from his own pen.


In Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s Letters and Papers from Prison Martin E. Marty writes on page 54:

Martin E. Marty wrote:The reader may note that there is little in the book to satisfy the curiosity of those who are eager to hear of the story of Jews in the contexts of what was said or heard in prison. They would find little or nothing in the letters about realities we associate with the Holocaust today. Prisoners could not have been informed about the Jews in any detail.


This is really important in my opinion. I’ll definitely investigate further what the circle around Bonhoeffer wrote about the persecution of the Jews at that time.

Hektor wrote:Getting hold of Emmi Bonhoeffer's book would also be great.

I see she and the witnesses had a good time during the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial. I wonder who had to pay for this.


I don’t know if they were compensated monetarily, but anyway, they did it to satisfy their urge to feel righteous (after having betrayed their country). The convicted people, of course, had to pay for this, with many years in prison.

Hektor wrote:Of course there is more to say about Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the circles he came from and what of the rest of the clan would become. He's treated as some Saint today, but his actual biography is of interest for other reasons as well. To me he's one of those left-protestant pastors that spends his time on eloquent, yet pretty absurd, moralizing and philosophizing, pretending to be a christian minister, while actually being something of an atheistic/agnostic humanist. I mention this, because the present president of Germany is the same kind of person. They're quite smooth-talking in what they're saying, but if you analyze it you realize that it's poison, if not meaningless phraseology.
They're also quite resentful against main stream German society. And by mainstream I down't mean the politician, media and elites, just the ordinary people. So if I transpose, I can imagine how a person like Bonhoeffer became that resentful against the government and his own people. But that may be material for a thread on its own.


He’s the prototype of today’s upper-class self-righteous social justice warriors.

Wikipedia wrote:In April 1933, Bonhoeffer raised the first voice for church resistance to Hitler's persecution of Jews, declaring that the church must not simply "bandage the victims under the wheel, but jam the spoke in the wheel itself."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_ ... ite_ref-10

Really disgusting when considering what preceded this “persecution” in April 1933, which has already been mentioned.

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Hektor wrote:In April 1933 there was a boycott of Jewish shops (on their Sabbath). This was in response to Jewish organisations organizing boycotts world wide against German goods.


Zionist Jewry had indeed launched a worldwide boycott on German goods one week prior to the one-day Nazi boycott on Jewish shops. But the main impetus for the National Socialist boycott was the Zionist campaign of anti-German atrocity propaganda abroad, or as Goebbels put it at that time "the atrocity campaign which has been unloosened in America and England by interested Jewish circles against the new German regime." Fact widely unknown because the Zionists don't want people to know that their campaign of anti-German atrocity propaganda for the grabbing of Palestine began on day one of the Third Reich and climaxed 10 years later, during WW2.
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Postby Hannover » 3 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:06 pm)

Hektor:
But you must predict the possible responses. I can already imagine what they'll say: "Yah, those stories are a bit odd, but there is so much other eyewitness testimony".

But that is not true. In fact so called "holocaust eyewitnesses" making absurd, impossible, and contradictory claims is not the exception, but the rule.
When they say something like that I always ask them to prove it. It's amazing how silent they become,
I mean whose alleged 'experience' could they possibly quote? I haven't seen one yet that can't be debunked in seconds.

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Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:36 pm)

Hieldner wrote:
Hektor wrote:.....

Ah thinks for clearing that up. To my knowledge the well connected Dietrich Bonhoeffer had something to say about the treatment of Jews by the NS-government, but he never said something about homicidal gassings in concentration camps. But I stand corrected, if somebody can show it to me from his own pen.


In Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s Letters and Papers from Prison Martin E. Marty writes on page 54:

Martin E. Marty wrote:The reader may note that there is little in the book to satisfy the curiosity of those who are eager to hear of the story of Jews in the contexts of what was said or heard in prison. They would find little or nothing in the letters about realities we associate with the Holocaust today. Prisoners could not have been informed about the Jews in any detail.


This is really important in my opinion. I’ll definitely investigate further what the circle around Bonhoeffer wrote about the persecution of the Jews at that time.
Bear in mind that Bonhoeffer was a double agent. He was an intelligent, educated man and he certainly would have known about homicidal gassings of Jews, if there would have been any currency in it. And yes, I'm convinced he would have written that down in order to justify himself. But it seems that even, if he had heard rumors, he didn't take it seriously, as, when you don't have Holoblinders on, it all sounds pretty preposterous. His motivation to turn against the NS-government and ultimately his own nation to which he owed his wealth, positions and opportunities, was quite different. But I think we still come to that.

For now the texts need to be scanned for odd claims and any mentioning on the Holocaust. I couldn't find the book as pdf. But I got a link:
https://books.google.co.za/books?id=h9y ... 8Q6AEIHDAA



Hieldner wrote:
Hektor wrote:Getting hold of Emmi Bonhoeffer's book would also be great.
I see she and the witnesses had a good time during the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial. I wonder who had to pay for this.

I don’t know if they were compensated monetarily, but anyway, they did it to satisfy their urge to feel righteous (after having betrayed their country). The convicted people, of course, had to pay for this, with many years in prison.

Hektor wrote:.....

He’s the prototype of today’s upper-class self-righteous social justice warriors.
... I see it similarly. He's himself from a privileged, well-off, academic Silesian family. His dad was a Prof. in psychiatry and neurology. His brothers were a scientist and a lawyer. Getting three children through High School and universities was something only few Germans could afford at that time. His sisters were also married to academics. And I bet you that all had to do with "class". Class snobism was something the National Socialists wanted to break down and they opened up the ranks for capable children from working class families, something the snobs and also members of the nobility actually deeply resented. But that's my sociological interpretation there. If that can be affirmed by further studies, that would explain a lot of their attitude and also the post-war attitude.

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Wikipedia wrote:In April 1933, Bonhoeffer raised the first voice for church resistance to Hitler's persecution of Jews, declaring that the church must not simply "bandage the victims under the wheel, but jam the spoke in the wheel itself."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_ ... ite_ref-10

Really disgusting when considering what preceded this “persecution” in April 1933, which has already been mentioned.
...
... Yes and what preceded this in the decade or more before 1933 is something the little Dietrich could conveniently ignore. Millions of Germans economically impoverished via inflation, taxation and economic crises, while certain people did benefit unduly from this. This was the reason people supported the NSDAP, despite being a newcomer with no direct civil society support like churches and trade unions. And the early thirties also saw an increase in violence especially between Communists and Nationalists, but the police and the Weimar-Republican organisations also had paramilitary units. IMO the Bonhoeffer / "Resistance" movement and what they knew about the Holocaust deserves its own thread.

Let's focus on odd claims relating to the Holocaust. Perhaps the "Resistance" books bring forward some other odd statements or rumors.

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Re: short list of 'holocaust' absurdities / via Carlos Porter

Postby Lysander_Spooner » 3 years 2 months ago (Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:08 am)

Hektor wrote:
Lysander_Spooner wrote:Very few people know about the tons of balderdash that comprise the "holocaust" story. Porter's list of a few "highlights" is an excellent thing to lay before a true believer.

... But you must predict the possible responses. I can already imagine what they'll say: "Yah, those stories are a bit odd, but there is so much other eyewitness testimony". Remember you are dealing here with social psychology, the mindset of the common people. And they have been primed by the apparent omnipresence of "the Holocaust". How can something that is so often talked about be unreal. And after all, it's the "authorities" that proclaim and defend it. So it must be true, when all the people seem to believe in it.

Lysander_Spooner wrote:But we have to remember that the people of the west have been the subject of relentless psychological warfare since at least the Kennedy assassination and one of the effects of this warfare is the unhinging of the mind, which produces an inability to recognize truth and respond to it appropriately. Look at the number of people who will vote for Hilldawg.


What gives you the idea that there was psychological warfare after the JFK assassination, that wasn't there prior to it? Ask differently what changed, what new methods have been used? And of course what is the evidence, reference for it?


You are correct with your first comment. The majority accept a consensus reality, believing what they are told is true. (((Some people))) are more willing than others to exploit this human characteristic.

The JFK murder was a carefully planned and executed operation. I believe it was a mass occult ritual which triggered an outpouring of ideas and movements harmful to society. While the cryptocracy had been lying and manipulating the people well before this killing, the assassination had an occult power that really opened the floodgates of evil. I was born in the '50's and I can look back now and I regret that I fell in with the hippy-dippy do-your-own-thing movement because I see what other social rot rolled in with it. I am a Christian and I believe in the Evil One just as I believe in God.

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Postby Hektor » 3 years 2 months ago (Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:50 pm)

Lysander_Spooner wrote:....
You are correct with your first comment. The majority accept a consensus reality, believing what they are told is true. (((Some people))) are more willing than others to exploit this human characteristic.
That's why trying to convince the masses won't work (feasibility reasons) one needs to target the 2-3% within a community that can and do influence the people around and below them. As for the Holo I think this is currently happening. There is some active, intelligent people getting pissed with getting fed this hogwash. They leave comments under Holocaust or Nazi related articles.

Those hilarious claims may even fuel it even more. It's kind of the emperor's new cloths effect that takes place.


Lysander_Spooner wrote:....
The JFK murder was a carefully planned and executed operation. I believe it was a mass occult ritual which triggered an outpouring of ideas and movements harmful to society. While the cryptocracy had been lying and manipulating the people well before this killing, the assassination had an occult power that really opened the floodgates of evil. I was born in the '50's and I can look back now and I regret that I fell in with the hippy-dippy do-your-own-thing movement because I see what other social rot rolled in with it. I am a Christian and I believe in the Evil One just as I believe in God.


I can't assess on the "occult power" here. But I'm sure the daylight assassination had some shock effect on the American public then. What I can see would be:
- Sense of powerlessness in people. Which is why they chose to ignore any deviancy.
- Dumbing down in public schools and on universities. A logical result of state controlled mass education.
- Wearing out of social fabric. social atomism and culture of entitlement.
- More leaning to hedonism. People always tried to enjoy life, it just seems they now need more of the "pleasure enhancers to do so".
- More drugging of kids both "legal" and "illegally".

I'm sure that list can be extended. But I wonder how those openly stupid claims like the one above fit into this. It seems some of them are foolish on purpose.

I wonder if it is related to the effect of rumors developing ultimately there own life with a snow ball effect. Some pathological liars here those stories and then make up similar once that on their own find their way into the media. It of course helps to get people into a mood where they are susceptible and don't dare to talk back for emotionally reasons. Obviously the quality control doesn't work there.

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Re: short list of 'holocaust' absurdities / via Carlos Porter

Postby Hieldner » 3 years 2 months ago (Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:53 am)

Karl Radl wrote a series of blogposts on his Semitic Controversies blog about absurd claims in Edward Russell’s The Scourge of the Swastika.
New York Times wrote:The greatest sensation in his legal career came when he was assistant judge advocate general in 1954 and legal adviser to the Commander in Chief for the trial of World War II Nazi war criminals in the British zone in Germany.

While in this position, he wrote ''Scourge of the Swastika,'' which condemned Nazi atrocities. The Lord Chancellor asked him to withdraw the book, but Lord Russell refused and resigned his office instead.

The book was later published in 16 editions, including foreign languages and Braille. Lord Russell said the publication was an attempt to show that the war crimes were the natural outgrowth of the Nazi master-race doctrine and that the German people had endured a reign of terror.

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/10/obitu ... in-54.html

The “top critical review” of this book on Amazon reads:
I have read a lot about WWII, so not much new stuff in this book, but worth reading, especially if you have any tendency to doubt how horrible the Nazi regime in Germany was.

Should be read by all young people who know nothing about what went on in Germany from 1933 to 1945

Another one
Another great example showing how uncivilized the Germans were !!

https://www.amazon.com/Scourge-Swastika ... op?ie=UTF8

Here’s the first blogpost:

Edward Russell wrote:All these categories were handed over to the Gestapo for 'special treatment'. This consisted of being deprived of prisoner-of-war status, sent to the concentration camp at Mauthausen, and shot with a bullet in the neck.

At Mauthausen they were known as 'K' prisoners. When they arrived at the camp they were not registered as were ordinary prisoners, and their names remained unknown except to the members of the 'Politische Abteilung'.

They were at once taken to the detention block, where they were undressed and then taken to what, for camouflage purposes was called the bathroom but which was, in fact, a room in the prison cells near the crematorium designed for execution by shooting or gassing.

One of the methods of shooting these 'K' prisoners has been described by a French officer who was himself confined in the apparatus. 'The shooting was done by means of a measuring standard with an automatic contraption which shot a bullet into the back of his neck as soon as the wooden bar which determined his height touched the top of his head.'

Sometimes they were marched down in batches to the quarry dressed only in shirts and pants and mowed down by machine-gun fire. Death certificates were prepared in every case and endorsed, 'Killed while attempting to escape.'


Karl Radl wrote:1) There is no reason that Germans would invent, let alone use, such a machine. Since there is no practical utility for doing so, especially since, as Russell also alleges, the Germans were taking 'K' prisoners from Mauthausen to a nearby quarry to be mown down by machine gun.

Simply put: what is the point of such a contraption?

The answer?

None.

2) The source is an unnamed French officer who alleges he was strapped in the machine, but somehow for unspecified reasons wasn't executed or harmed.

Given the description does that sound even remotely plausible for the supposedly systematically barbaric Germans?

https://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.c ... nse-1.html
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