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Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby Hannover » 3 years 2 months ago (Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:02 pm)

Like all religions, the 'holocaust' storyline is filled with impossible dogma that defies laws of science logic, and rational thought.
It is however, very profitable to those engaged in the indoctrination process.

Deborah Lipsatdt, who was sued by David Irving, and in a rigged court environment prevailed over him, gives the game away.

She openly acknowledge the 'holiness' / religious nature of what ordinarily would be a matter-of-fact, verifiable, free inquiry case of real history, by referring to those that indoctrinate the gullible public as doing 'holy work'.

'Holy' indeed for those who profit and generally benefit from a scam that is worth billion of dollars every year.

'Holy' indeed for those who arrogantly refer to themselves as 'The Chosen Ones'.

Lot's of misinformation below, read on, comments invited.

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Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

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Lipstadt lauds Shoah teachers for ‘holy work’
Leon Cohen
March 31, 2008

The great medieval rabbi-physician-philosopher Moses Maimonides wrote that the human mind is too limited to comprehend and express what God is; but it can make an approach to understanding by saying what God is not.

Scholar of Holocaust denial Deborah E. Lipstadt said Sunday that this via negativa (negative road) is how she would approach the question of how dangerous the Holocaust denial movement is at the beginning of the 21st century.

Lipstadt was the keynote speaker at the Ateret Cohn Holocaust Educators Symposium, held March 2-3 at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. The symposium’s theme was “Teaching the Holocaust: Lessons for the Future.”

Speaking to an audience of about 300 — the some 70 teachers and education students who participated in the symposium plus a general audience, Lipstadt said she can’t say how threatening Holocaust denial will be.

But she lauded the efforts of the symposium and the participants. “If not for these efforts, Holocaust denial will have an easier path” in the coming years, Lipstadt said.

“Your work is avodat kodesh, holy work,” Lipstadt said to the symposium participants.

Lipstadt has become especially famous for having been sued in a British court for libel by Holocaust denying British historian David Irving. Her triumph in the case, which began in 1996 and concluded in 2000, decisively discredited Irving.

Lipstadt spent most of her presentation talking about the trial, showing how her advocates demonstrated that Irving in his works lied about events, distorted the evidence of documents, tried to “whitewash Hitler” by falsifying his statements; and proved that he himself is a white supremacist and racist.

She also called attention to the Web site “Holocaust Denial on Trial” (http://www.hdot.org) that contains full information about the trial, including the full text of the judge’s decision and transcripts of the testimony.

But while what Lipstadt calls “hard core denial” — the anti-Semitic claims that Jews have lied about the Holocaust to get money — in the West suffered a major setback from Irving v. Lipstadt, it remains “a growth industry” in the Arab-Muslim world, Lipstadt said.

To help counter this, Lipstadt said a project is underway to translate the “Holocaust Denial on Trial” site into Arabic and Farsi (the language of Iran).

Moreover, what she calls “soft core denial” — comparing Israel to the Nazis — “goes on” in the West.

In response to questions, Lipstadt said that there can be no doubt that the Armenians living in Ottoman Turkey endured a genocide during the World War I period.

But she also said she could understand how some Jews are trying to downplay this, given that the Turkish government has made some subtle and not-subtle threats about Turkey-Israel relations and the safety of Turkey’s Jewish community. “The Turks are playing with the lives of people,” she said.

She also said that “there’s nothing we can do about” Iran’s Holocaust denying president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. But she said that friends of hers who have authoritative knowledge of Iran have told her that “he is not long for the political world.”

Lipstadt also sharply criticized Norman Finkelstein, a son of Holocaust survivors and an anti-Israel political scientist recently denied tenure at DePaul University in Chicago. He is the author of “The Holocaust Industry,” a purported critique of Jewish attempts to exploit the Holocaust for gain.

While Finkelstein is not a Holocaust denier, Lipstadt said that his book is “completely wrong,” and “filled with mistakes and misstatements,” including assertions about Lipstadt herself that “are not true.”

Lipstadt is director of the Rabbi Donald A. Tam Institute for Jewish Studies at Emory University in Atlanta. She is author of “Beyond Belief: The American Press and the Coming of the Holocaust” (1993), “Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory” (1994 and the book for which Irving sued her), and her account of the case “History on Trial: My Day in Court with David Irving” (2005).

The symposium, named for Milwaukee educator Ateret Cohn (1922-2005), was sponsored by the Nathan and Esther Pelz Holocaust Education Resource Center of the Coalition for Jewish Learning, the education program of the Milwaukee Jewish Federation, in collaboration with the Milwaukee Jewish Council for Community Relations, the Wisconsin Society for Jewish Learning, the UWM Center for Jewish Studies, the UWM Cultures and Communities Program and the Hillel/Jewish Student Union at UWM.

It received support from the Jewish Community Foundation, the endowment development program of the Milwaukee Jewish Federation, the Helen Bader Foundation and the Lucy and Jack Rosenberg Philanthropic Fund.

The Jewish Telegraphic Agency contributed to this story.
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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby Hieldner » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:38 am)

The holy and righteous ones against Amalek. It goes without saying that the use of lies and subterfuges is absolutely permissible in such a fight between good and absolute evil, just like bombing civilians in other cases.
The great medieval rabbi-physician-philosopher Moses Maimonides wrote that the human mind is too limited to comprehend and express what God is; but it can make an approach to understanding by saying what God is not.
I think one can safely express it as Kevin MacDonald has:
For the Jews, the God of the Old Testament is nothing more or less than the racially pure Jewish gene pool.
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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby borjastick » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:18 am)

“If not for these efforts, Holocaust denial will have an easier path” in the coming years, Lipstadt said.


So she was aware then that the lies of the holocaust would be threatened by logic, science, forensics and general investigation. Thus the need to turn the holocaust into a religion. Once anything becomes 'religious' it means people who do not buy into it or worse still deny it can be persecuted and in this case prosecuted.

I do wonder whether the (((holocaust believers))) protest too much thus making their claims a little bit tiresome and open to abuse. Why would they do this? The obvious answer is, as always, money but it may not be limited to that one benefit.

We all know that 90% of 'jews' on this planet are fake 'jews'. They are not part of the tribe, the twelve tribes being that they are converts from eastern europe of the ashkenazi people. Read The Thirteenth Tribe for a full breakdown of this bunch of shysters. Thus perhaps they know they need to push ever so slightly too hard to make their point over and over and over again, ad nauseum. They know that they can convince people of the world of their sense of superiority by being 'The chosen race' put to death in the holocaust if they push the agenda forever and a day.

How often does one hear from real jews, those born in the region or directly from jews who can directly trace their families back more than 100 years or more into Palestine? Forget Peres and Netanyahu for they were born in the region to parents who moved into Palestine as were most of the 'founders' of the jewish state they call israel.

The ashkenazi jews are liars and have no connection to israel but they were peoples of eastern europe who bought into a new religion and simply cannot understand their real role in life and history of the holocaust is a sham.
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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby Hektor » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:16 am)

Hieldner wrote:The holy and righteous ones against Amalek. It goes without saying that the use of lies and subterfuges is absolutely permissible in such a fight between good and absolute evil, just like bombing civilians in other cases.
The great medieval rabbi-physician-philosopher Moses Maimonides wrote that the human mind is too limited to comprehend and express what God is; but it can make an approach to understanding by saying what God is not.
I think one can safely express it as Kevin MacDonald has:
For the Jews, the God of the Old Testament is nothing more or less than the racially pure Jewish gene pool.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/20 ... ering-who/


Yep, Waging Holy War got its unholy effects. The "warriors" then imagine that everything is allowed to fight the enemy. It includes of course lying and killing supposed enemies with impunity. And as lying goes easier over the lips than actual killing, it's also easier to attack the reputations or livelihoods of your enemies. I think we've seen how that was done against several Revisionists already.

It should be noted that Jews insert themselves in their teaching, where traditional Christian theology puts Jesus.

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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby hermod » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:00 pm)

Holy work?!? Isn't this a political-religious bias? Isn't (aren't) revisionists' alleged bias(es) the thing that supposedly makes their works invalid? Are there good biases (not impacting some researchers' conclusions) and bad biases (automatically nullifying other researchers' conclusions)? Who defined what is a good bias and what is a bad bias?
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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby Dresden » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:43 pm)

hermod wrote:Holy work?!? Isn't this a political-religious bias? Isn't (aren't) revisionists' alleged bias(es) the thing that supposedly makes their works invalid? Are there good biases (not impacting some researchers' conclusions) and bad biases (automatically nullifying other researchers' conclusions)? Who defined what is a good bias and what is a bad bias?


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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby Hektor » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:46 pm)

hermod wrote:Holy work?!? Isn't this a political-religious bias? Isn't (aren't) revisionists' alleged bias(es) the thing that supposedly makes their works invalid? Are there good biases (not impacting some researchers' conclusions) and bad biases (automatically nullifying other researchers' conclusions)? Who defined what is a good bias and what is a bad bias?


There are to the gullible public mind, if the waters are already muddied long enough with atrocity propaganda. Then any affirming statement is greeted with "good bias" (confirmation bias) and any contradicting statement is viewed with suspicion hence "negative bias". Once the conditioning has been done with accusation and repetition of the accusatory themes, the accused and anyone associated with him or them is presumed guilty. Contradicting information leads to cognitive dissonance with the believers that's why it's so important to keep the "memory" alive with repeated accusations that get some media attention. Ever wondered why Holocaust related trials get that much press, radio and TV coverage. That sure needs to be organized to some extent, but I guess they also can count on the preconditioning of the journalists that gladly pick up on prewritten press releases.

I recall being taught that "positive bias" is more favorable then "prejudice", which is negative bias against a group. To me both are preconceived ideas that may of course influence the researcher. That problem is more prevalent in the social sciences then the natural ones, but even there the paradigm that researcher believes in may influence his work and conclusions.

Nazi Holocaust on Jews is the present paradigm among Historians and even people with dissident views in academia are careful not to express too much doubts. But one historian once told me that his colleagues didn't really take this too seriously, for obvious reasons knowing a few things about war propaganda and political agendas involved and realizing that the evidence presented was emotionally laden and circumstantial at best. But bear in mind my country is actually far off the shot and this historian was probably referencing his teachers from the 70s and 80s, who may have experienced world war 2 as kids or young adults.

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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby hermod » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:04 pm)

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Did Mr. Orwell mean that some animals were chosen to be above all the other ones? Waw!! Incredible! An individual believing he/she is part of such a Chosen elite, would certainly fall within the definition of a supremacist, wouldn't he/she? Unless some kind of immunizing religious myth automatically excludes that specific individual from the definition of a supremacist... :roll:
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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby hermod » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:12 pm)

Hektor wrote:There are to the gullible public mind, if the waters are already muddied long enough with atrocity propaganda. Then any affirming statement is greeted with "good bias" (confirmation bias) and any contradicting statement is viewed with suspicion hence "negative bias". Once the conditioning has been done with accusation and repetition of the accusatory themes, the accused and anyone associated with him or them is presumed guilty. Contradicting information leads to cognitive dissonance with the believers that's why it's so important to keep the "memory" alive with repeated accusations that get some media attention. Ever wondered why Holocaust related trials get that much press, radio and TV coverage. That sure needs to be organized to some extent, but I guess they also can count on the preconditioning of the journalists that gladly pick up on prewritten press releases.


Almost Pavlovian...

I recall being taught that "positive bias" is more favorable then "prejudice", which is negative bias against a group. To me both are preconceived ideas that may of course influence the researcher. That problem is more prevalent in the social sciences then the natural ones, but even there the paradigm that researcher believes in may influence his work and conclusions.


I agree on that. Bias is bias, politically correct or not, politically favored or not. That's what I was sarcastically saying in my comment.

Nazi Holocaust on Jews is the present paradigm among Historians and even people with dissident views in academia are careful not to express too much doubts. But one historian once told me that his colleagues didn't really take this too seriously, for obvious reasons knowing a few things about war propaganda and political agendas involved and realizing that the evidence presented was emotionally laden and circumstantial at best. But bear in mind my country is actually far off the shot and this historian was probably referencing his teachers from the 70s and 80s, who may have experienced world war 2 as kids or young adults.


Interesting...
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Re: Jewish religion instructor, Lipstadt, says 'holocaust' indoctrination is "holy work"

Postby Review » 3 years 2 months ago (Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:47 am)

Hannover wrote:.....
“Your work is avodat kodesh, holy work,” Lipstadt said to the symposium participants.
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Lipstadt said a project is underway to translate the “Holocaust Denial on Trial” site into Arabic and Farsi (the language of Iran).

Moreover, what she calls “soft core denial” — comparing Israel to the Nazis — “goes on” in the West.

In response to questions, Lipstadt said that there can be no doubt that the Armenians living in Ottoman Turkey endured a genocide during the World War I period.

But she also said she could understand how some Jews are trying to downplay this, given that the Turkish government has made some subtle and not-subtle threats about Turkey-Israel relations and the safety of Turkey’s Jewish community. “The Turks are playing with the lives of people,” she said.


So this holocaust theology is about downplaying the ethnic cleansing of arabs from Palestine, while emphasizing ethnic cleansing in the Ottoman empire ? Why do I get a feeling that this holy work is mostly abot zionist tribal-political interests ?

......sponsored by the Nathan and Esther Pelz Holocaust Education Resource Center of the Coalition for Jewish Learning, the education program of the Milwaukee Jewish Federation, in collaboration with the Milwaukee Jewish Council for Community Relations, the Wisconsin Society for Jewish Learning, the UWM Center for Jewish Studies, the UWM Cultures and Communities Program and the Hillel/Jewish Student Union at UWM.
It received support from the Jewish Community Foundation, the endowment development program of the Milwaukee Jewish Federation, the Helen Bader Foundation and the Lucy and Jack Rosenberg Philanthropic Fund...


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