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Convergence of testimonial 'evidence' : Goebbels' Katyn Swindle

Postby hermod » 2 years 10 months ago (Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:24 am)

Most of us already knew that testimonial 'evidence' could 'prove' that the Germans obliterated all physical traces of their mass murders in Eastern Europe (Paul Blobel's 'confession') and that they started WW2 with a false flag (Alfred Naujocks' 'confession'). But few of us know that testimonial 'evidence' could also 'prove' that the Germans perpetrated the Katyn mass murder, that they blamed it on the Soviets with forged identification papers and letters made by Jewish prisoners held in a secret section of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, and that the Katyn victims were not Polish officers but concentration camp inmates murdered by the Germans, attired in Polish uniforms and finally buried at Katyn with forged documents planted on them. A former Norwegian concentration camp inmate (Erich Johansen) testified about that in June 1945, and a Nazi leader (Walther Schellenberg) confirmed the story in his 'confession.'

Here is the story:

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Very telling about the probative value of Holohoaxers' so-called convergence of evidence and of testimonial 'evidence' in general. Convergent BS is still BS. Also very illustrative of the fact that it's very easy for some victors to get convenient testimonial 'evidence' allegedly proving their claims every time they need it.
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Re: Convergence of testimonial 'evidence' : Goebbels' Katyn Swindle

Postby Hektor » 2 years 10 months ago (Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:56 pm)

Given the datum it's interesting to see that they pushed such whitewash of Allied atrocities. I guess there are more articles, delving through the articles raises a lot of interesting info and sometimes surprising snippets of information.

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Re: Convergence of testimonial 'evidence' : Goebbels' Katyn Swindle

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:37 am)

It was quite amazing to see that in the movie Katyń (2007) they didn't blame Germans for Katyn massacre.
But they did on other things.
Movie is directed by Andrzej Wajda (A friend of Roman Polanski among other things.)
Andrzej Wajda was a protégé of Alexander Ford (Mosze Lifszyc) who directed the infamous Majdanek - cmentarzysko Europy.
Wajda was described by Ewa Mazierska as Non-Jewish Jew maybe because his films focused on Jewish life.
Source: Omer Bartov: The "Jew" in Cinema: From The Golem to Don't Touch My Holocaust

Like they show in the movie also, the German investigation of the mass graves and their publication Amtliches Material zum Massenmord von Katyn were declared simply as propaganda by the Allies and Soviet Union.
Soviet even produced their own film about the exhumation of the graves. Of course, that wasn't propaganda. :wink:
(Characters in the movie don't know what to believe until Poland is free again.)

The same denial and German (read evil Nazi) propaganda claims still go on by the communists and their admirers.
Communist Party of Great Britain still blames the Germans for it and dismisses the movie Katyń in their
article: The German Nazis committed the Katyn massacre: why are we being lied to?
"The hype surrounding the film Katyn suggests that ‘we’ have been misled for years into thinking that it was not the Soviets but the German Nazis who committed the massacre of Polish officers at Katyn. ----

--- The fact is that the bodies were shot by the Nazis and with German bullets. These bullets were still in the bodies when they were exhumed.

Goebbels, who masterminded the campaign to put the blame on the Soviets in order to cause trouble between Russia and Poland in a vain attempt to save the German fascist empire, wrote in his diary on 8 May 1943: “Unfortunately, German ammunition has been found in the graves at Katyn … It is essential that this incident remains top secret. If it were to come to the knowledge of the enemy the whole Katyn affair would have to be dropped. ”
Indeed, why they are being lied to?

The Black Rabbit of Inlé wrote an excellent post about this matter in his blog
where I first came across the communist denial.
But there is more in his article (I recommend to read it) what went on:
"In his 2005 work Katyn and the Soviet Massacre of 1940: Truth, Justice and Memory (London: Routledge), British professor of Political science George Sanford wrote that the Soviets used German Walther pistols to shoot the Polish officers at Katyn"
Communists still in denial over Katyn

Another source:
Katyn and the Soviet Massacre of 1940: Truth, Justice and Memory - George Sanford - Google Books

Katyn massacre (among others e.g. Vinnitsa massacre) was attributed to the Soviet NKVD also in book
Le Livre noir du communisme: Crimes, terreur, répression/The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression.

As the Soviet Union was one of the victors, they got away with it as with other massacres they attributed to the Germans.
"The Soviet Burdenko version of German responsibility
for Katyn was presented, but not accepted at Nuremberg in 1946. A Select
Committee of the US House of Representatives publicised the 1943 Polish
and German evidence of Soviet guilt in 1952 and began to question the
Roosevelt administration’s role in hushing it up."
George Sanford: Katyn – The whole truth about the Soviet Massacre (Sample)page 19 of 28
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: Convergence of testimonial 'evidence' : Goebbels' Katyn Swindle

Postby hermod » 2 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:48 am)

HeiligeSturm wrote:The Black Rabbit of Inlé wrote an excellent post about this matter in his blog
where I first came across the communist denial.
But there is more in his article (I recommend to read it) what went on:
"In his 2005 work Katyn and the Soviet Massacre of 1940: Truth, Justice and Memory (London: Routledge), British professor of Political science George Sanford wrote that the Soviets used German Walther pistols to shoot the Polish officers at Katyn"
Communists still in denial over Katyn


An excellent post indeed. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Very funny to see Uncle Joe call the international investigation at Katyn a farcical investigation. Hilarious from a guy who used to 'document' things with 'investigations' by ludicrous Soviet Extraordinary State Commissions.

There are two good reasons why the Germans couldn't have perpetrated the Katyn massacre:

1) They clearly didn't want anybody to find their mass graves for an odd reason (since their alleged mass killings were mentioned and depicted in most Soviet-Allied wartime newspapers anyway). Hence they wouldn't have left the Katyn mass graves untouched as the Soviets did.
2) They didn't need to leave any physical evidence of 'their' mass murder at Katyn because they had, we're told, very efficient (even unparalleled) outdoor cremation techniques at their disposal. If the orthodox Holocaust narrative is to be preserved, one is supposed to believe that the Germans were able to completely obliterate the Katyn mass graves in a very short time. The Katyn mass graves were really tiny graves compared to their alleged Holocaust mass graves. The complete obliteration of such graves would have been a breeze for the Nazi Fire Wizards of Blobel's Kommando. A job probably finished in less than a single day.
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Re: Convergence of testimonial 'evidence' : Goebbels' Katyn Swindle

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:59 pm)

Lest we forget (or Never forget), the Germans were the first to list and publish the names of the victims.
hermod wrote: If the orthodox Holocaust narrative is to be preserved, one is supposed to believe that the Germans were able to completely obliterate the Katyn mass graves in a very short time. The Katyn mass graves were really tiny graves compared to their alleged Holocaust mass graves. The complete obliteration of such graves would have been a breeze for the Nazi Fire Wizards of Blobel's Kommando. A job probably finished in less than a single day.

Yes but the victims were Polish intelligentsia, thus The [Jewish] Holocaust and
it's procedures don't apply* to this claim (even in mainstream history).
That's why the communists and some of the Jewry try to claim that the victims were Jewish with false identification papers of Polish (Catholic etc.) citizens. The evil Germans even used the Jewish prisoners to forge the identification papers.
Source: Jewish Prisoners Forced to Manufacture Forged Documents Placed on Katyn Forest Victims
Jewish Telegraphic Agency, July 9, 1945
This is quite bold claim! And we that many of the NKVD officers were of Jewish origins.
But there's something true in the false identification thing anyway...
The man who made the "documentation" of Majdanek a year earlier changed his name.
Alexander Ford was originally Mosze Lifszyc.
(like Leon Trotsky was originally Lev Davidovich Bronstein ,
Grigory Yevseevich Zinoviev was Hirsch Apfelbaum, Gene Simmons was Chaim Witz etc.)
The list goes on and on... Even with the so called Holocaust survivors.
"This big lie was initiated by Goebbels"
http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secNam ... afletId=60
Who actually invented/coined the concept called "the big lie"?
It wasn't Goebbels. It wasn't Hitler.
It was the great Vladimir Lenin himself! Oh, actually V.I.Ulyanov.
Once upon a time time I registered at Haaretz website and got an e-mail notification
titled "The Jewish Name Game" what I thought to be a joke. But no!
See it yourselves.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/names
One article says:
"In a hybrid of new-age trends and Jewish tradition, secular and religious Israelis are increasingly tampering with their names in difficult times."
Kabbala Says: Ward Off the Evil Eye - Change Your Name
Emphasis added. (If needed, I'll post screenshots later.)
They seem to change their names once in a while.

Then there is question...
"Why has this film appeared now? "
http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secNam ... afletId=60
We can ask the same questions about the movie Denial.
Why now? Why Italy made Holocaust revisionism/questioning/denial illegal? Why now?
The same site answers it for us:
"It is surely no coincidence that we find ourselves at the start of what will probably be the worst recession the world has ever experienced to date."

In the end Goebbels was right:
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Emphasis added.

* It is the Holiest of the Holiest when it comes to any tragedy, fictional or true.
Nothing compares to it.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe


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