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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hektor » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:09 pm)

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Said Bauer: "Already at the Nuremburg Trials it was clear that this was not [true]. They saw the laboratory in Danzig was only experimental.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/ ... m-1.527623



Bauer's blame shifting and complete turnabout (compared to his statement from 1990) is just another lie. There was no experimental lab for the manufacture of human soap at Danzig. That place was an anatomical institute. And among various things, anatomical institutes prepare skeletons for studies and collections. One of the byproducts from the preparation of skeletons for anatomical purposes is fat, human fat in the case of human skeletons, fat from body fat stores and also fat from the degreasing of bones. Any anatomical institute in this world produces human-fat 'soap' similar to the piece provided by the Soviets at Nuremberg, as a byproduct of its activities.


Excellent point, so they just passed that soap-like byproduct on as "evidence" for "soap production"? Now that's how the innuendo works: Pass on something that can be expected to be presented as evidence for something outrageous.

My impression was also that they may have used soap utilized for cleaning work in the lab (hygiene being very important there) for testing. That means you'd have human body particles mixed in with the commercial soap. And tests could yield exactly that. Voila, to a gullible audience that then could be portrayed as "proof" of human soap manufacturing. Now, if you follow a thorough path of debunking this, by dissecting facts, causalities and intentions. The hoaxers can simply reply: "Look how desperately this Nazi sympathizers try to deny Nazi atrocities". An elaborately constructed, yet simply stated, lie can easy be disseminated to the public. Objective rebuttals with complex explanations (like it's commonly the case in the real word) is a far more difficult sell. To me it seems that's what the Holocaust lobby was thriving on right from the beginning. Mudslinging accusations is far more easy then doing police work, especially when the waters were already muddied by propaganda and war-time polarization.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby hermod » 3 years 2 months ago (Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:32 pm)

Hektor wrote:Excellent point, so they just passed that soap-like byproduct on as "evidence" for "soap production"? Now that's how the innuendo works: Pass on something that can be expected to be presented as evidence for something outrageous.


Yes, they did. Or more accurately they rather displayed a slightly modified (i.e. saponified) version of an innocuous byproduct as evidence for soap production. IMO. I said a saponified version of it because the Soviet bar of soap looks quite hard, solid, harder than flabby fat.

My impression was also that they may have used soap utilized for cleaning work in the lab (hygiene being very important there) for testing. That means you'd have human body particles mixed in with the commercial soap. And tests could yield exactly that. Voila, to a gullible audience that then could be portrayed as "proof" of human soap manufacturing. Now, if you follow a thorough path of debunking this, by dissecting facts, causalities and intentions. The hoaxers can simply reply: "Look how desperately this Nazi sympathizers try to deny Nazi atrocities". An elaborately constructed, yet simply stated, lie can easy be disseminated to the public. Objective rebuttals with complex explanations (like it's commonly the case in the real word) is a far more difficult sell. To me it seems that's what the Holocaust lobby was thriving on right from the beginning. Mudslinging accusations is far more easy then doing police work, especially when the waters were already muddied by propaganda and war-time polarization.


Or perhaps they just saponified some human fat found at the Danzig Anatomical Institute and so even made some human soap themselves. Nothing would have been easier than that. They just needed to mix some human fat and a strong base, and they had a bar of real human soap to display for atrocity propaganda purposes. Saponification is mid-school chemistry. A breeze.
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hieldner » 3 years 1 month ago (Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:09 pm)

PRHL wrote:Such insights should be published separately, i.e. without any revisionist context and without any comment. Let such material speak for itself!

flimflam wrote:Well, they have been published separately ....

The problem is, BBC has blocked this clip (and I think of the whole series only this clip) in countries outside the UK on Youtube. Here it is on a less restrictive platform https://vid.me/gpqe

PRHL wrote:it would be a good idea for a video to just collect and present videos and books where eyewitnesses talk about the soap. And after having presented all these testimonies, simply show the declaration

This has already been done by the Youtube channel “Treblinka 1” with an even more interesting ending :) https://vid.me/WDYp Here’s even more soap https://vid.me/search?q=%23holocaust%20 ... %20%23soap

PRHL wrote:According to current German scholars, there has never been Jewish soap.
https://translate.google.de/translate?s ... edit-text=

That was Wolfgang Benz. He has since been replaced by Clemens Heni, a raving lunatic, as head of the Center for Research of Antisemitism, who would uphold even this claim. clemensheni.net
As has already been mentioned in this thread, after this article was written (and Joachim Neander published his soap study http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/mar ... aseGSR.pdf) the results of a study confirming soap experiments with humans were published in October 2006. Germar Rudolf says in this interview http://tkelly6785757.podomatic.com/entr ... 7_24-07_00 at around 1:24:00 that the fatty acids found in the soap could have been from humans or pigs fed a human diet and that anatomy institutes attached to universities regularly produce such soap-like substances when preparing skeletons for students. Any source for this claim?
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hektor » 3 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:47 pm)

Hieldner wrote:
PRHL wrote:Such insights should be published separately, i.e. without any revisionist context and without any comment. Let such material speak for itself!

flimflam wrote:Well, they have been published separately ....

The problem is, BBC has blocked this clip (and I think of the whole series only this clip) in countries outside the UK on Youtube. Here it is on a less restrictive platform https://vid.me/gpqe
Always good to distribute, but is that somehow downloadable? The clips can come in useful on a later stage.
That actors, and obviously some director there, poke a bit of fun at the Holocaust is also a good sign. They may not know the thing is a hoax, but they may have been annoyed by its role nevertheless. Perhaps it's a way of showing of some force as well.

Hieldner wrote:
PRHL wrote:it would be a good idea for a video to just collect and present videos and books where eyewitnesses talk about the soap. And after having presented all these testimonies, simply show the declaration

This has already been done by the Youtube channel “Treblinka 1” with an even more interesting ending :) https://vid.me/WDYp Here’s even more soap https://vid.me/search?q=%23holocaust%20 ... %20%23soap
again, I got no idea to download from that platform.

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PRHL wrote:According to current German scholars, there has never been Jewish soap.
https://translate.google.de/translate?s ... edit-text=

That was Wolfgang Benz. He has since been replaced by Clemens Heni, a raving lunatic, as head of the Center for Research of Antisemitism, who would uphold even this claim. clemensheni.net
As has already been mentioned in this thread, after this article was written (and Joachim Neander published his soap study http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/mar ... aseGSR.pdf) the results of a study confirming soap experiments with humans were published in October 2006. Germar Rudolf says in this interview http://tkelly6785757.podomatic.com/entr ... 7_24-07_00 at around 1:24:00 that the fatty acids found in the soap could have been from humans or pigs fed a human diet and that anatomy institutes attached to universities regularly produce such soap-like substances when preparing skeletons for students. Any source for this claim?

That's also great, the more loony, fanatical and pushy those guys come over, the better. I think until now they had their dosage just right, pushing the brakes when people got annoyed.

The question is whether they found any human DNA in soap. There is of course a problem with soap used by humans or in a morgue, etc. It just may be contaminated. One would have to find the detailed studies on this, what tests they made, etc. What Rudolf said, is at least plausible.

Soap can be made from anything fatty, I know an Indian soap manufacturer, maybe I should talk to him.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby HeiligeSturm » 3 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:05 pm)

Hektor wrote:again, I got no idea to download from that platform.

This worked for me:
http://www.tubeoffline.com/
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hieldner » 3 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:24 am)

Hektor wrote:Always good to distribute, but is that somehow downloadable? The clips can come in useful on a later stage.

That’s substantially easier than on Youtube. If a source is specified, the quality of that clip might be a little higher, though.
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hektor » 3 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:23 pm)

Hieldner wrote:
Hektor wrote:Always good to distribute, but is that somehow downloadable? The clips can come in useful on a later stage.

That’s substantially easier than on Youtube. If a source is specified, the quality of that clip might be a little higher, though.


Ah, will have to try that out. For youtube I commonly use keepvid or any of the online downloaders.

Alternatively archive. org can be used, which has been friendly towards Revisionist source material in the past.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Zulu » 3 years 1 month ago (Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:29 pm)

A new video of Deborah Lipstadt appeared in Youtube on October 14th, 2016.
Comments are welcome until they cut them..
Deborah Lipstadt discusses "Denial" with Errol Morris at Brandeis
Deborah Lipstadt, MA'72, PhD'76, was presented the Brandeis Alumni Achievement Award in a ceremony followed by a screening of the film "Denial," based on her legal battle against Holocaust denier David Irving.
http://www.brandeis.edu/now/2016/septem ... ening.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEX50GbRTm8

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Postby Hektor » 3 years 1 month ago (Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:34 am)

Zulu, it's attacking the person (Irving and Leuchter in this case), but not dealing with the evidence and arguments all over again.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 3 days ago (Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:50 am)

I just tried clicking on the link for the documentary - http://denialthefilm.com - and it comes up with a suspended page. Can CODOH Video confirm what is happening with this ? Perhaps copyright issues or some other problem ?
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby NLH » 2 years 11 months ago (Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:11 pm)

Mortimer wrote:I just tried clicking on the link for the documentary - http://denialthefilm.com - and it comes up with a suspended page. Can CODOH Video confirm what is happening with this ? Perhaps copyright issues or some other problem ?


Dead for me also.
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Zulu » 2 years 11 months ago (Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:21 am)

The movie "Denial" can be quickly downloaded by Torrent at
https://rarbg.to/torrent/v26nhgy
Several options of format and file's sizes. English subtitles in separated idx/sub files.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Myths2LiveBy » 2 years 11 months ago (Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:42 am)

To gain some context for Lipstadt's, and a broad, Jewish understanding of how Jews do and understand history, learn about Heinrich Graetz.
Rabbi Henry Abramson gives a useful introduction here -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqeRpiVQ-9Y

Briefly, Abramson explains that Graetz was the first Jew to write an "encyclopedic" history of the Jews. He wrote in German, the language of the cultured people of the age, which was around 1870. Abramson says that

"Graetz’s narrative was the “lachrymose model of Jewish history . . . full of tears . . . One-sentence explanation of the lachrymose model and Graetz’s history, which is extremely popular among Jews — goes this way:
‘despite overwhelming and consistent persecution, jews succeeded and contributed to world civilization by dint of their great intellect and superior moral standing.’ and they contributed to society and were a light unto the nations.' “

Abramson continues:
"This is a good narrative, I like this narrative: it makes me feel good to be a Jew, because you say, Wow, look at all the tremendous suffering, awful, terrible things that have happened to us, and yet , y’know, 7% of Nobel prizes — that’s the model.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Charles Traynor » 2 years 11 months ago (Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:57 am)

Thank you for the heads-up on this Zulu, I wasn't expecting Denial to be available for download until January.

I don't advise using torrents, though. Peer to peer sharing is extremely dangerous as one doesn't know who one is actually sharing the file pieces with (police departments, Jewish lawyers and their clients looking to make serious bucks from file sharers, etc.).

Warez-BB.org is down for me at the moment, but I did manage to find the link below to safe direct download servers. If you don't have an account with a service like Rapidgator (my preferred file storage server) then use the 1Fichier links. 1Fichier will allow you to download one file at a time at full speed (ignore any adverts - there will be a free link on the page somewhere). The drawback of the freebie method is that you may possibly have to wait for a short period before being allowed to download the next part of the file.

http://myddl.org/denial-2016-limited-720p-bluray-x264-geckos/
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Jurgen » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:34 pm)

http://denialthefilm.com is still suspended. Any updates as to what was happening with it?
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