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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Hektor » 3 years 7 months ago (Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:57 am)

Hannover wrote:So why does that one show different markings from this one?

Oops.

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- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

Is it the supposedly the same document? I can't read it so clearly, too small.

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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby hermod » 3 years 7 months ago (Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:24 am)

Hektor wrote:
Hannover wrote:So why does that one show different markings from this one?

Oops.

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- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

Is it the supposedly the same document? I can't read it so clearly, too small.


Yes, it is.

Those damn 'deniers' are never satisfied. Some times they complain there are no documents proving the exterminationist case. Other times they complain there are [at least] 2 versions of the same document. :roll:
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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Cozz88 » 3 years 5 months ago (Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:17 am)

IMO "Nazi Atrocities " is really not believable. If the "evil nazis " were so cruel why did Russians, Ukranians and other European nations fight for Germany. So much lying done by the Soviets and the "good guy" allies.

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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 3 years 5 months ago (Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:18 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:
Hannover wrote:So why does that one show different markings from this one?

Oops.

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- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

Is it the supposedly the same document? I can't read it so clearly, too small.


Yes, it is.

Those damn 'deniers' are never satisfied. Some times they complain there are no documents proving the exterminationist case. Other times they complain there are [at least] 2 versions of the same document. :roll:


No, they're completely different documents.

The one from Hitler's Professors is Kube to Lohse 16 December 1941.

The one from Loupi Smith's blog is Kube to Lohse 31 July 1942.
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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Werd » 3 years 5 months ago (Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:19 pm)

I do not believe it is the same document.

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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby hermod » 3 years 4 months ago (Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:50 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:No, they're completely different documents.

The one from Hitler's Professors is Kube to Lohse 16 December 1941.

The one from Loupi Smith's blog is Kube to Lohse 31 July 1942.


Thanks for this correction, Black Rabbit. The document posted by Hannover is so small that I had mistakenly assumed, without being certain, that it was another version of the same document.

What's your opinion about the 31 July 1942 document?

This version is also provided:

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What's the real original, if any? Loupi Smith's one? The one above? None?
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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 3 years 4 months ago (Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:45 pm)

hermod wrote:Thanks for this correction, Black Rabbit. The document posted by Hannover is so small that I had mistakenly assumed, without being certain, that it was another version of the same document.


Yeah, understandable. When I originally posted that document taken from Hitler's Professors, it was big enough to read clearly and the discussion was about the 16 December 1941 document. So, I can't see why it was even posted on this thread.
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=73907#p73907


hermod wrote:What's your opinion about the 31 July 1942 document?

This version is also provided:

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What's the real original, if any? Loupi Smith's one? The one above? None?


These are, once again, different documents; although of the same and both from Kube to Loshe.

The one from LS's blog is a famous document used at Nuremberg: 3428-PS

DOCUMENT 3428-PS
REPORT BY KUBE, COMMISSIONER GENERAL FOR WHITE RUTHENIA, TO LOHSE, REICH COMMISSIONER FOR THE EASTERN TERRITORIES, 31 JULY 1942 (FOUND IN THE BUILDING OF THE MINISTRY FOR THE EAST IN BERLIN): IN THE DISTRICT-GENERAL OF WHITE RUTHENIA, 55,000 JEWS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN 10 WEEKS; MORE MASS MURDERS ARE PLANNED, EXCEPTIONS BEING MADE TEMPORARILY ONLY IN THE CASE OF JEWS WORKING FOR THE WEHRMACHT (EXHIBIT USA-827)

- IMT v.32, p.279f; original German

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT 3428-PS
PROSECUTION EXHIBIT III
SECRET MEMORANDUM FROM KUBE, GENERAL COMMISSIONER OF WHITE RUTHENIA, TO GAULEITER LOHSE, REICH COMMISSIONER OF OSTLAND, 31 JULY 1942, CONCERNING ACTIONS AGAINST PARTISANS AND LIQUIDATION OF JEWS IN WHITE RUTHENIA

- NMT v.4 p.191f; English trans.



The other document is a telegram that Mattogno found in Moscow.

Fom his Treblinka study, p.278:
Finally, the arrival of at least one transport from the Warsaw Ghetto at a location east of Treblinka has been documented beyond any question. On 31 July 1942, the Reichskommissar for White Russia, Wilhelm Kube, sent a telegram to the Reichskommissar for the Ostland, Heinrich Lohse, in which he protested the dispatching of a transport of “1,000 Jews from Warsaw to work at Minsk,” because this would lead to danger of epidemics and an increase in partisan activity. [840]

840. GARF, 7445-2-145, p. 80. Cf. Document 22 in the Appendix.


From his response to HC [although here Mattogno dates it 01.08.42; the date it is stamped]:
What he [Kube] did insist on – and which is also made clear in the 1 August 1942 telegram – was that further transports to Generalkommissariat Weissruthenien of Jews “from the Generalgouvernement or from elsewhere” organized by agencies of the German army and air force without prior allowance or announcement from the Reichskommissar Ostland were to be liquidated. In the above-mentioned telegram the subject of the protest is described as “further independent import of Jews” (“weiterer selbständiger Judeneinfuhr”) and it is also spoken of the “danger of epidemics” (Seuchengefahr).[1393] It is obvious from the phrasing used by Kube that he would not protest the arrival of Jewish transports if they were approved and announced by higher authority.

1393. GARF 7445-2-145, p. 80.


He was responding to this from HC:
On July 31, 1942, Kube protested to Lohse about the arrival of 1,000 Warsaw Jews in Minsk and insisted that further transports from the General Government would be liquidated.[110] This was at a time when many deported Reich Jews were in transit ghettos in the General Government. M&G perversely interpret Kube’s protest as supporting resettlement but they do this by citing an alternative document from the same date in which the threat to liquidate the Jews was apparently omitted.[111]

[110] Kube an Lohse, 31.7.42, 3428-PS, IMT XXXII, pp.279-82, also facsimiled in Weinreich, Hitler's Professors, pp.188-190.
[111] M&G, Treblinka, p.278.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_3084.html
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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 3 years 4 months ago (Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:51 pm)

I meant to say:

BRoI wrote:These are, once again, different documents; although of the same [^ date] and both from Kube to Loshe Lohse
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Werd » 2 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:46 am)

From National Geographic tv.

EINSATZGRUPPEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLUgou38QGo
Published on May 12, 2015
I created this video with the YouTube Video Editor (http://www.youtube.com/editor)

From 5:33 onward.

"After filming the aftermath of the Babi Yar massacre, the photographer, Johannes Hähle, kept recording the activities of the Einsatzgruppen. On October 16th 1941, Hähle documented the round up of the local Jewish population in the Ukranian village of Lubny. Within hours, the "action" would permanently remove this population."

It then goes on. But to watch this video, along with the bits and pieces from the photo collection of Johannes Hähle, I would suspect Eric Hunt or others would have the right to point to these photographs and say, "Here. German evidence of clearing of Jewish populations and pacification by bullets."

HOWEVER, littlegreyrabbit is very skeptical of the babi yar story.
https://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.com/ ... o-rumbula/
He rightfully glosses over the so called confessions the Germans made while in British custody in 1945. He makes the point that the Nazis were supposed to have blown of the walls of the massively dug ravine with explosives. And yet, supposed eye witnesses do not even mention it. He has pretty much the same photos in his collection that Eric Hunt has been using recently as 'proof' that over 33,000 were disposed of.

English Russia has some interesting colour photos taken during the Nazi occupation of Ukraine.
http://englishrussia.com/2011/09/15/sho ... pied-kiev/

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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby borjastick » 2 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:38 am)

I've just watched that video again. First watched some time ago. It of course is full of emotion, creepy music and doom but woefully short on fact, and that's being kind to it!!

It of course has the Holy Trinity of holocaust liars, Berenbaum, Debois and Rhodes.

Nuff said...
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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Werd » 2 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:41 am)

Perhaps I am alone in thinking some of those aged witnesses were telling the truth about what they saw years ago when they were children? In terms of Germans shooting women and children?

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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby hermod » 2 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:04 am)

Werd wrote:Perhaps I am alone in thinking some of those aged witnesses were telling the truth about what they saw years ago when they were children? In terms of Germans shooting women and children?


No, you aren't. I'm pretty sure Eric Hunt and Father Desbois thinks that too. :twisted:
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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Werd » 2 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:19 am)

Well I guess I can count Reynourd and Verbeke in my company too since they don't deny killings by Einsatzgruppen. They merely reduced the commonly accepted figure by about 50-60% because they found Einsatzgruppen reports that were contradicted other reports written by higher ups who were assembling figures and sending a final report to Berlin. Basically lower, sub-divisions of the EG were inflating their figures and their egos to please their bosses. As far as I know, even Hannover doesn't deny the shooting of children. But he has said it was not the Germans' fault since children were often partisans. I think the issue here is the German slaughter of women and children who were not active partisans.

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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Hannover » 2 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:25 pm)

Werd wrote:Well I guess I can count Reynourd and Verbeke in my company too since they don't deny killings by Einsatzgruppen. They merely reduced the commonly accepted figure by about 50-60% because they found Einsatzgruppen reports that were contradicted other reports written by higher ups who were assembling figures and sending a final report to Berlin. Basically lower, sub-divisions of the EG were inflating their figures and their egos to please their bosses. As far as I know, even Hannover doesn't deny the shooting of children. But he has said it was not the Germans' fault since children were often partisans. I think the issue here is the German slaughter of women and children who were not active partisans.

So where are the mass graves for this "50-60%"? And which Einsatzgruppen reports are Reynourd and Verbeke supposedly talking about? There are many of these forged / altered gems.

Having said that, there is no doubt that the Einsatzgruppen executed non-uniformed terrorists aka "partisans", and that Jews comprised a large proportion of those cowardly terrorists. Those executions were perfectly legal under international law, all sides executed illegal combatants.

These terrorist / partisans also murdered women, children, elderly, anyone that did not like and support communism.

The Indu$try claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist and their locations allegedly known.
Is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

Imagine. In what other mass murder cases where human remains supposedly exist in locations supposedly known, go without being excavated, identified, and shown? None.

- Hannover

Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?

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Re: Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

Postby Hektor » 2 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:02 pm)

Werd wrote:Well I guess I can count Reynourd and Verbeke in my company too since they don't deny killings by Einsatzgruppen. They merely reduced the commonly accepted figure by about 50-60% because they found Einsatzgruppen reports that were contradicted other reports written by higher ups who were assembling figures and sending a final report to Berlin. Basically lower, sub-divisions of the EG were inflating their figures and their egos to please their bosses. As far as I know, even Hannover doesn't deny the shooting of children. But he has said it was not the Germans' fault since children were often partisans. I think the issue here is the German slaughter of women and children who were not active partisans.

Question is, whether we can trust those records. Some seem quite fishy to say the least. And documents can be manufactured if you have the skills and material available.
What must be considered that partisans is the one thing, but then there are helpers, carriers, spies, people housing them, etc. Women and nominal children would be involved in that, also as means to abuse chivalry of the other side. There is also more involved in this, given that militias were also fighting each other in the rear of the Wehrmacht (Ukrainians, Poles, Jews, vice versa). Not a simple and easy situation.

But as side. Revisionists generally DO NOT dispute killing of partisans and related reprisals or that politruks were to be shot. The issue was just taken further by Exterminationists to fit that into their Holocaust narrative, which makes the whole thing a deception.


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