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How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby Hektor » 2 years 3 months ago (Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:56 am)

This is an interview conducted with him by another Baptist preacher. Critical part is 1:24 to 1:33

Apparently the term "Holocaust" is in the Spanish bible, although in a very different context. Anderson got along this and that got him think a bit further.

Anderson took quite some hostility from other American Baptists over the Holocaust issue. As you may know a lot of them are "Christian Zionists" over there in the USA. But lets see how that rattling the cage will finally go down there.

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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby borjastick » 2 years 3 months ago (Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:44 am)

Ok well I'm not a moron then... and neither are you and most of us here then. Glad that's agreed!
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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby Rmbrmb21 » 2 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:36 am)

I don't know how much theology we want to get into on this forum, or how many of us are religious in any sense, but I want to talk about Replacement Theology for a second. Not with the intent of converting anyone, but instead proving just how much influence the Jews have in American Christian circles, especially Southern Baptists like myself. For anyone who is Catholic or Orthodox, we'll have to agree to disagree on some things, but the main point is the power Jews have over Christians in America.

Replacement Theology is just as Pastor Anderson described it. Believers in Christ (Jesus of Nazareth) are inheritors of the New Covenant with God. The Old Covenant was made with the Jewish people (Semites) and was sustained until Jesus died. The Old Testament details the various laws of God and explains how you are supposed to cleanse yourself of sin through blood, usually an animal like a dove or pig or lamb, and do it regularly. It's also important to note that Christians consider all to be sinners, even themselves, and that no one can be perfect except for Jesus who was God and man together.

These laws were in place because God cannot be in the presence of sin, it is an imperfection. Yes, God created humanity and humanity sinned, but it was through our free will that this was done, not a mistake in our creation. And since God is perfect, sin is destroyed simply by him manifesting himself near it. When God appeared in physical form in the Tabernacle, which was pretty much a tent where the Ark of the Covenant was stored while the Jews traveled, only the High Priest was allowed to enter the room in which the Ark was housed, and only after extensive preparation. So, as the ultimate sacrifice and total cleansing of the world's sin, which all of humanity has sinned as we took on sin from our fathers and theirs before them all the way back to the beginning, Jesus was killed (sacrificed) even though he was sinless.

Now we get to the point where Jews go from not caring, to being riddled with fear and fury. Because Jesus died for all mankind, Jews are no longer special just for being Jews. The new Israel and the new Jerusalem, which is promised to us once the world is whisked away during Armageddon, will be given to believers in Christ and those who followed God's commands and kept with his Covenant before Jesus died. And so, the physical nation of Israel, you know, white flag with blue stripes and a Star of David, it means nothing anymore. Christians have no obligation to it nor are they obligated to bow to the Semites, the once chosen people of God.

You can see how this would make Jews very angry and fearful. Jewish pressure is why you rarely hear about Replacement Theology. Instead, you hear that Jews and Christians should stand together in eternal support for the eternal nation. This type of garbage is fed in many-a churches across the USA, it's why Americans have no problem giving literally billions of dollars to Israel, our "greatest ally". It's why Christianity in the modern day makes believing the holocaust, denying the existence of race, and vehement altruism required practices in order to be a Christian. This is much more noticeable in southern states (former Confederate states), where I live.

The reason the Jews are lifted up as being holy, though they are not, and that Christian support of Israel is required, though it is not, more so in the South is because this is the place where push-back is the most fierce. White Southerners have historically been prideful in their religion, race, and region. Jews hate Christianity, and if more Christians could hear the average Israeli's view of Jesus, more Christians would reject the idea that we need to be buddy-buddies with Jews. Jews also hate the idea of race. Not because they don't believe in it, they in fact are largely supremacists, but instead because pride in a race besides the Semites works against their agenda. Their agenda being to burn through the wallets of Americans in order to kill as many Arabs and steal as much land as possible. Keeping pride for one's race in check and the worship for the Jews on the uptick is essential to this agenda, lest the goyim figure things out. Jews also hate nationalism/regionalism and we all know this. Having more love for your nation means you have less love for Israel, this is unacceptable for the Jews, so nationalism and regionalism are stomped into the mud through church services in which pastors cherry-pick the Bible. In fact, all of what I said is preached across the nation on a regular basis.

Thankfully, my pastor has his head screwed on right and accepts Replacement Theology. He still buys into the holocaust, but he's a step in the right direction. Hopefully, we can reach more religious people in America. If you could convert half of American Christians to reject the holocaust as a fact, and embrace that it's a myth, you would be converting about 1/6th of the population.

Anyway, that's my rant on Jewish meddling in Christianity. I understand a lot of people will be very disinterested in reading about theology, but it is important to our cause as Christianity is being excessively curbed in order to support the Jewish agenda.

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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby borjastick » 2 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:16 am)

Thanks for that, I hope the Mods allow your post to remain as it does show a wider understanding of the influence jews and I think israeli jews, who I see as somewhat different, have over the Christian masses in the US. That influence allows israel to get away with murder and it's all anchored in the holocaust. Those jews are of course almost totally holocaust dependent and originate mostly from eastern european jewry, which came to Palestine after the claimed holocaust.

I do however have a problem with new age labels which are placed on today's transient fads. The phrase 'replacement theology' seems to me a very odd moniker. Why not call it New Testament Truth or something?

The real issue for me, not being particularly religious, is that Christians in the US need to be brought up short on the truth about israelis and their hatred for the rest of the world and their pride that jews killed Jesus. They are very proud of it and happy to pour their bile about their role in his murder. There are many youtube videos made by them. They are altogether a very nasty bunch of people. The only thing I like about them is they are nowhere near me!

For me the facts are quite simple if you can get the US Christians to understand the way israelis think deep down with their hatred of Jesus and the US and Christians you will make more progress.

The underlying issue for me which needs far more exposure is that the jews of the holocaust are not semites, not connected with the region in any way at all. They are the Thirteenth Tribe, imposters and liars. The holocaust tales told left right and centre absolutely prove this.
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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby Hektor » 2 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:42 am)

Rmbrmb21 wrote:I don't know how much theology we want to get into on this forum, or how many of us are religious in any sense, but I want to talk about Replacement Theology for a second. Not with the intent of converting anyone, but instead proving just how much influence the Jews have in American Christian circles, especially Southern Baptists like myself. For anyone who is Catholic or Orthodox, we'll have to agree to disagree on some things, but the main point is the power Jews have over Christians in America.....
Thankfully, my pastor has his head screwed on right and accepts Replacement Theology. He still buys into the holocaust, but he's a step in the right direction. Hopefully, we can reach more religious people in America. If you could convert half of American Christians to reject the holocaust as a fact, and embrace that it's a myth, you would be converting about 1/6th of the population.

Anyway, that's my rant on Jewish meddling in Christianity. I understand a lot of people will be very disinterested in reading about theology, but it is important to our cause as Christianity is being excessively curbed in order to support the Jewish agenda.

I get it, a side step on theological issues, especially the role of Jews in Christian Cosmology and Theology, may be necessary. My points concerning Steven Anderson and his stance on the Holocaust would however be the following:
- That he took the time investigating it and ultimately rejected the official narrative.
- That he got no qualms openly stating his position.
- That he came about it it reading Holocaust for burned offering in a Spanish bible text. That also hints towards the religious nature of the Holocaust.
- That other Pastors treat believe in the Holocaust as an article of faith themselves.

That the Holocaust narrative is used to exert some power over American Christian is an interesting point. And that indeed than relates to Zionist influences on Christian Theology in America or elsewhere. Bear in mind that Jews and their allies blame the Holocaust on Christianity as well. One popular question is "Where was God, when millions of Jews were gassed".

Many bible believing Christians may indeed be ambiguous in their views. I say "bible-believing" to distinguish them from liberal Christians who are sort of humanists in churchly clothing not really taking the bible or spiritual aspects of Christianity seriously, but use the church as a "moral platform" to reach people - and get a salary of course. They are a prototype of todays do-gooders and a lot of the libtards one meets, but this got also a history of its own.

There are those that are fond of Jews, simply because the word Jews is used in the bible and supposedly those who are called Jews now at least believe in the Old Terstament. Opposite to this are those, probably more knowledgeable people that will point out that the Jews rejected Christ and are actually enemies of Christianity. But that's more a superficial view. The theological question would be are Jews God's chosen people? Are they still? Or has that somehow been passed on towards Christendom and excludes Jews that aren't Christian. The later is what they call "replacement Theology" and indeed it's a slightly disparaging term, just the by sound and associations of it. Jews will of course oppose this for several reason:
- Widespread Christian believe in Jews as perpetual chosen people of God, will bestow a special status on them that will be useful socially and politically.
- Perpetual Elected status will also shield them from evangelization attempts by Christians. Something Jews really hate.

So they have a vested interest into what is taught in Churches, which means they'd be especially interested what is taught in theological seminaries. If they drop the Holocaust household name there, nay teach it to be a propaganda hoax, they may also loose a grip on the other theological aspects relating to them.

Although for us something else is of more interest. Preachers occasionally do mention Holocaust or relating claims to their parish. Commonly they tell that as a fact. Now, if they stop doing that, perhaps even tell their parishioners that it is an example of a propaganda hoax and psychological warfare, this will be a strategic advantage for us in public discourse.

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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby diaz52 » 2 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:26 am)

Rmbrmb21 wrote:Anyway, that's my rant on Jewish meddling in Christianity. I understand a lot of people will be very disinterested in reading about theology, but it is important to our cause as Christianity is being excessively curbed in order to support the Jewish agenda.


One important aspect of this meddling in the Christian faith is the Scofield Reference Bible, the single most used reference bible in bible colleges and seminaries throughout evangelical Christendom. The earnest young Christian people who go to school to learn to become the future pastors and Christian leaders in the evangelical world are completely unaware that this book they're using to learn their faith was financed by Jews or that their financing corrupted the Word to serve their group's narrow political interests. These Christian people using this bible to learn scripture actually believe the pro-zionist propaganda they're reading is just an honest interpretation of the sacred Word. And so these students become pastors who preach and teach this pro-war, pro-murder, pro-Israel nonsense. It is no wonder the faith is in such decline. There is no group more ardently pro-war and more ardently pro-Israel in the US than the Christian zionists. This particular brand of Christianity could be more rightly referred to as 'Scofieldianity' as it bears so little resemblance to the faith prior to the 19th century.
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A great book on this is "The Incredible Scofield and His Book" by Joseph Canfield. Highly recommended.

Additionally, James Perloff has an excellent article on 'the abomination of Christian Zionism' on this: https://jamesperloff.com/2016/08/31/the-war-on-christianity-part-ii-the-abomination-and-blasphemy-of-christian-zionism/

If this rotten situation is to be turned around, and this Holohoax is to be exposed, we need more people like Pastor Anderson in the Christian evangelical community who have the courage to look into the evidence and speak out about it.
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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby Rmbrmb21 » 2 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:26 pm)

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I do however have a problem with new age labels which are placed on today's transient fads. The phrase 'replacement theology' seems to me a very odd moniker. Why not call it New Testament Truth or something?



I really don't know why it's called 'Replacement Theology'. It was probably coined by someone who didn't like it. I never knew it to have a specific designation until I was given some books to read by my pastor. I just followed the logic and coupled it with verses of the Bible and found it to be true.

Baptist churches are also extremely independent. One pastor may preach complete and total tolerance of gays, and another preach that they should be abandoned by society. There is a so called Southern Baptist Convention that tried to group all Baptist churches and force their tentacles into them. The SBC beliefs are not represented by every Baptist. Where my pastor will preach Replacement Theology without dwelling on what it's called by theologians or how it's viewed by a majority of pastors, others will do differently.

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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby Hektor » 2 years 3 months ago (Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:38 am)

Rmbrmb21 wrote:
borjastick wrote:I do however have a problem with new age labels which are placed on today's transient fads. The phrase 'replacement theology' seems to me a very odd moniker. Why not call it New Testament Truth or something?

I really don't know why it's called 'Replacement Theology'. It was probably coined by someone who didn't like it. I never knew it to have a specific designation until I was given some books to read by my pastor. I just followed the logic and coupled it with verses of the Bible and found it to be true.
It probably was. I note that the term got a disparaging ring to it. How theological sound it is, is of less relevance to us here. We'd be interested into:
- Influence of Holocaust Dogma on general teaching by churches.
- Role of churches in promulgating, distributing and enforcing beliefs regarding "the Holocaust".

Holocaust is used to milk even more money from Christians:
While the Nazis bear responsibility for the Holocaust, history tells us that hundreds of thousands of Jews might have lived if the world had responded quickly and decisively to the Nazi's oppressive laws and hateful attacks, which ultimately led to the death of six million Jews.

After the fall of Hitler's evil regime, the founding of a Jewish state in the Middle East began to seem more and more like a real possibility. In anticipation, hundreds of thousands of Jews made their way from the war-ravaged countries of Europe and Russia to new life in the Holy Land. This number, of course, increased exponentially following the founding of the modern state of Israel in 1948.

Today, there still are hundreds of thousands of Holocaust survivors living worldwide, a quarter million of them in Israel. I thank God that we have been blessed to experience the prophetic return of the Jews to Israel and that the Jewish state was there to provide refuge to those who so narrowly escaped the Nazi death machine!
http://www.ifcj.ca/site/PageNavigator/c ... background

Let those figures sink in for a while.

Holocaust is used to gain sympathy from Christians. Playing the victim is what overtly aggressive personalities do to have it their way:
The ICCJ member organizations world-wide over the past five decades have been successfully engaged in the historic renewal of Jewish-Christian relations. Founded as a reaction to the Holocaust, the Shoah, in the awareness that ways must be found to examine the deeply engrained roots of mistrust, hatred and fear that culminated in one of the worst evils in human history, theologians, historians and educators included the still fragile structure of enlightenment and the human rights movements of the inter-war period.
http://www.iccj.org/About-us.2.0.html

Holocaust is used as an excuse to get policy support and of course money from Christians:
In the summer of 1947, 65 Jews and Christians from 19 countries gathered in Seelisberg, Switzerland. They came together to express their profound grief over the Holocaust, their determination to combat antisemitism, and their desire to foster stronger relationships between Jews and Christians. They denounced antisemitism both as a sin against God and humanity and as a danger to modern civilization. And to address these vital concerns, they issued a call in the form of 10 points to Christian churches to reform and renew their understandings of Judaism and the relationships between Judaism and Christianity.
http://www.iccj.org/Berlin-Doc.3594.0.html


Of course it's Christians or White people, especially Germans, who are the guilty party in the relationship. While Jews are innocent little victims. No word of the attitudes of Jews against non-Jews or their role in Communism = Expropriation and Murder of non-Jews.

Rmbrmb21 wrote:Baptist churches are also extremely independent. One pastor may preach complete and total tolerance of gays, and another preach that they should be abandoned by society. There is a so called Southern Baptist Convention that tried to group all Baptist churches and force their tentacles into them. The SBC beliefs are not represented by every Baptist. Where my pastor will preach Replacement Theology without dwelling on what it's called by theologians or how it's viewed by a majority of pastors, others will do differently.


The SBC seems to be older relating to Abolition of Slavery and contradictions between Northern and Southern States of the US. That the Baptists are more independent than other churches is generally a good thing. They're however still heavily influenced by ideological hegemony within society.

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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby hermod » 2 years 3 months ago (Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:04 am)

Hektor wrote:This is an interview conducted with him by another Baptist preacher. Critical part is 1:24 to 1:33


You of course meant "1:24:00 to 1:33:00," didn't you?

Perhaps useful to post the video that brought this interview for those who those who don't know it.



(Don't hesitate to remove it if you regard it as unnecessary or off topic.)
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Re: How Pastor Steven Anderson became a Holocaust Revisionist

Postby Hektor » 2 years 3 months ago (Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:32 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:This is an interview conducted with him by another Baptist preacher. Critical part is 1:24 to 1:33


You of course meant "1:24:00 to 1:33:00," didn't you?

Yes, you're right.

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:Perhaps useful to post the video that brought this interview for those who those who don't know it.



(Don't hesitate to remove it if you regard it as unnecessary or off topic.)


He got some bad comments from the ADL on this. They didn't have too much to say on his "Holocaust denial" video.

But take note that Anderson got no qualms about calling out Israel and its lobby in the US including the "Christian Zionists".


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