I know of no Revisionists who say that Hitler invaded Poland on 9/1/39 because of the acts by Poles on 9/3/39 at Bromberg.
Then one has to wonder why she is claiming some revisionists argue that way.
Werd wrote:She says near the end that writers like Richard Tedor and others who claim that HItler invaded Poland because of the Bromberg massacre are making mistakes because Hitler invaded on September 1 while the Bromberg massacre occured on the 3rd. She obviously missed this part from jrbooksonline.
Her video I mentioned earlier has been taken down. I wonder why. She has a reply.http://www.veraiconapublishers.com/?p=1135
"Mac" the do-gooder white nationalist spy troll wrote the following tripe to his Queen:
"Note name removed is one of the only people in the movement to still associate with Veronica Clark and provide a forum for her race-mixing agenda. If name removed is for real, he shouldn't be surprised of offended that people would question his genuisness."
So the white nationalist cult thinks that National Socialist race theory itself is a "race-mixing agenda"? That's rich. Not to mention I only did two radio shows with the gentleman whom "Mack the Knife" here is trashing, so this is hardly indicative of some covert "agenda" regarding "promotion of race-mixing." Mac is a clown on top of being a troll. And he's not even a good one. I could shred him further but I'll go easy on his this first time around.
Veronica K Clark's anti-revisionism agenda has been called out in the Codon forum thread "Veronica K Clark Drops The Ball." Clark made a Youtube video called "Holocaust Denial vs Hitler Apologia" [continued after my comment and video below]
Little "Mac" claims I have an "anti-revisionist agenda" when in fact I am a neorevisionist. I have made a clean break from trad-revisionism since it overlooks glaring problems for the sake of painting Hitler and NS Germany as wholly benevolent and utterly viceless.
Here are two videos claiming that Poland caused Hitler to invade by "slaughtering 58,000 Germans." This figure is not only disputed by National Socialists themselves (Berndt, Kordt & Hesse for example), but what happened to A.I. Berndt's figure of 300,000 as told to Hitler? Why was that figure discarded since that was the figure Hitler was told and had accepted? The true figure is about 5,000 not 58,000. And why is it that the one video shows images of the Bromberg Massacre, which took place on 3 September (after the invasion)? Revisionists are confounding two seperate anti-German actions in this case. And, lest we forget, Hitler and the High Command were making invasion plans long before either of these massacres took place. Hitler did not cite the 'slaughter of Germans' as his casus belli behind closed doors; only publicly did he cite this as his reason. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, it takes two to tango.
(One might also legitimately argue that the huge number of Polish POWs - Hitler says 300,000 - as well as Poland's rapid demise are proof positive that Poland was incapable of launching an invasion of Germany despite Rydz-Smigly's arrogant bluster suggesting otherwise. In other words, Poland on her own was no threat to NS Germany. We might also call out Hitler for allying with Stalin thereby allowing numerous Eastern European peoples to suffer the hand of Stalinism while Hitler took care of his own more immediate business. Again, I addess all of these issues and much mroe in The Gleiwitz Incident. Mine is a more solid thesis)
As for my having "dropped the ball": only if you believe CODOH poster Drew Werd who thinks he knows what I wrote in my 1,000 page book The Gleiwitz Incident without actually having read the book. Drew told me via email that he does not buy anything online. And he has never read a single one of my books which are only available via online outlets. If Drew knew his history, he would know that the German death figure of about 5,000 blew up into 58,000, and then 300,000 by the time Hitler heard about it. Drew also fails to understand that actual conference minutes of Hitler and his generals confirms the thesis that Hitler was willing to use force against Poland as early as March 1939 (five months' prior to the actual invasion in August).
She just proves my point again. She accuses revisionists of mixing up two seperate events. And why is it that the one video shows images of the Bromberg Massacre, which took place on 3 September ([i]after
the invasion)? [/i] Here is the video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty8dbufKXpA
Here it is mirrored.http://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watch?v=ty8dbufKXpA
Here are some stills.
Now where have I seen these pictures before? Oh yeah. Right here.
She also needs to look at this English translation
from olodogma.0168- Atrocities committed by Poles against ethnic Germans in Poland, Die polnischen Grausamkeiten an den Volksdeutschen in Polen, crimes prewar
The grisly photos come out of a book published in 1940 called "The Polish atrocities against ethnic Germans in Poland." And the book "Death in Poland" by Edwin Erich Dwinger does start on September 3 and describes the massacres as they happen starting on September 3 and going on for the next few days chapter by chapter. Often the names of victims whose last moments are described, are accompanied by grisly photos of their corpses. So yes, these photos were of people murdered from September 3 and onward. However, let us recall what jrbooksonline said:
The German invasion was Sep 1939, but it's important to understand that many of the outrages had preceded the German invasion. This was proved by the amount of decomposition of the bodies. Thus, these atrocities cannot be excused simply as reprisals for the German invasion (which would be wrong anyway). They included 19 year-old girls with their faces smashed, amputations, disembowelments, shot thru' the eye, death-trauma births, you name it. Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939
And let us recall what Edwin Erich Dwinger also said. To repeat myself:
The deportation and expulsion and the mass murder of the ethnic Germans before and at the beginning of the war in Poland was by no means confined to the "Bloody Sunday of Bromberg", which is only too often downplayed or even denied outright today.
So even though Veronica Clark is correct to warn revisionists not to blame the September 3 (on onwards) attacks on Germans for the German invasion of Poland which actually occured on September 1, a full two days BEFORE these massacres began, she also seems to have completely ignored what I quoted about how the attacks on Germans were going on LONG BEFORE September at all - even April. At least she did in her response to me. Maybe she covers it in her book.
Let me also remind people how Udo Walendy and Gerd Schultze-Rhonhofalso proved that Germany wanted to invade Poland but called it off more than once. Here is a summary of Gerd's book THE WAR THAT HAD MANY FATHERS that someone sent me via PM on another board.
So I finished the War that had Many Fathers. I think the highlight of the book was at the end where he lists in detail every correspondence on record between the German, British, and Polish governments in the couple of weeks leading up to the 9/1/39 attack on Poland. Hitler actually canceled the attack order 3 times in order to give more time to negotiate with Poland. But he kept coming to a roadblock. The British government kept telling the Germans that they needed to negotiate the return of Danzig and the protection of German minorities directly with the Poles. Meanwhile the British were telling Poland that they should not negotiate with Germany and that they should dig in their heels because if there was a war Britain and France would have their back. So when Germany kept trying to negotiate with Poland, Poland would never agree to direct negotiations and would delay. This happened over a period of 2 weeks. During this time there was a crisis in which there were about 80,000 German refugees from Poland, the German (and Ukrainian and Jewish) minorities in Poland were being discriminated against and kicked out of their jobs, there were several border skirmishes between Polisha and German troops, and the Polish military fired anti-aircraft battery's at German commercial aircraft at least 3 times! Hitler's generals told him that the absolute latest date that he could attack Poland was September 1st, because they might get bogged down due to weather if they attacked later than that. So Hitler delayed as long as he could and then gave the attack order.
My conclusion, after reading all that, is that Hitler was really trying to diplomatically resolve this crisis, but the British wouldn't let him do so, because they were sick of Germany growing stronger without having to spill blood.
People should also check this section of Udo Walendy out particularly.
Poland Wants War
German Territories in Polish Hands... 134
Poland Demands Territories outside Poland... 142
Poland’s Policies on her Minorities Fundamental Position.... 155
Intensified Action 1938-1939.... 165
Poland’s Foreign Policy on Germany
From “Munich” to the Outbreak of War.... 184
The Polish Course of Action against Danzig..... 198
Hitler’s Position on Poland
Fundamental Principle from 1933 onwards.... 212
The Proposal to Poland Made 24 October 1938
Why Choose this Moment in Time ... 215
The Unfolding of the Negotiations.... 219
From Spring to August 1939.... 225http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres8/WALENDYeng.pdf