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Jews force feed you the holocaust, but have you been force fed any of the following?
Biedermann under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988):
Biedermann agreed (under oath) that at an international conference held by the International Committee of the Camps in Vienna in 1977, the then director of the International Tracing Service, Albert de Cocatrix, gave a speech which stated that as of December 31, 1976 a total of 357,190 names of persons who died in concentration camps had been registered at the Special Registry Office. (11-2515) Later, Biedermann confirmed that these numbers actually came from the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross (ITS). (12-2640 to 2646)
So according to the Red Cross, as of December 31, 1976, it was in possession of the names of
individuals who died (of all causes) in the German concentration camp system.
Biedermann also confirmed that as of December 31, 1983, the Special Registry Office (a German government agency) had records of only 373,468 deaths (from all causes) in all of the Nazi camps. (11-2515) This figure represented death certificates issued on camp records kept by the Nazis during the war. (11-2516, 2517) Later, Biedermann confirmed that these numbers actually came from the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross (ITS). (12-2640 to 2646)
So according to the Red Cross, as December 31, 1983, it was in possession of the names of
people who died (of all causes) in the German concentration camp system.
Of course these were not all who died, as the records are not complete, etc, but you can be sure these numbers are a good first approximation, and that the estimates of about 500,000 dead in the German concentration camp system (from all causes) are realistic.
Concerning the number of Jewish dead:
Biedermann was shown a large, two volume work entitled Gedenkbuch (prepared by the Federal Archive in Koblenz and published in 1962 as a gift from the Federal Republic of Germany to Israel).
The book records the names of those Jews known to have died in the German concentration camp system. It contains some 129,000 names.
Biedermann could not say what steps the Federal Archive or other archives had taken to see if any of these persons were still alive; for example, by checking the names with Soviet authorities or with the Departments of Vital Statistics in such countries as Canada. (11-2597,2598)
So the German Federal Archives are in possession of the names of (at most)
Jewish individuals who died (of all causes) in the German concentration camp system.
About the camp documents held by the Red Cross.
The Germans, kept meticulous administrative records at the concentration camps. These records consisted of the death certificates of all who died, prisoner registration details, daily roll-call data, cremation records, camp hospital records, arrival lists, transport lists to and from the camps, release certificates, daily death numbers, and such. Most of this information has been amassed (either the original documents or copies) by the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross at Arolsen, Germany.
Biedermann, admitted that the Red Cross had given definite instructions to the International Tracing Service not to establish or draw up statistics regarding the huge number of documents held by them. He stated: "I have the clear order not to draw up statistics, so all the statistics that you might show me now must come from a different source than from our source." (12-2701, 2702)
Who is Charles Biedermann
Charles Biedermann was appointed a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in 1981 and appointed Director of the International Tracing Service (ITS) in 1985. (11-2493, 2495)
What is the International Tracing Service (ITS).
The mandate of the ICRC was to ensure the fulfillment of the Geneva Conventions. There were four Geneva Conventions and two Protocols, all of which dealt with the protection of persons during war. (11-2493, 2494)
The ITS had four mandates: (1) the assembling; (2) classification; (3) administration; and (4) evaluation of documents of former civilian persecutees of the National Socialist regime for the purpose of enabling these people to obtain pension benefits. (11-2496, 2499) The documents were centralized in one main data file, containing about 44 million pieces of information regarding about 14 million former persecutees. (10-2406; 12-2708).
The ITS had processed just over 1.7 million applications since its inception. Payment of compensation and pensions by West Germany currently totaled between 82 and 88 billion marks (in 1988). West Germany also paid the cost of running the ITS; approximately 10.5 million marks, or $7-8 million Canadian. (12-2715 to 2719)
More from Charles Biedermann:
Biedermann under oath: Other records which the ITS obtained from Auschwitz included copies of death books, cremation lists, death records from the camp doctor and a list about the death books. (12-2661)
The Germans kept cremation records at Auschwitz -- oh boy, what next?!?!?!?
He (Biedermann) knew that for many years after the war thousands of German prisoners of war were used as slave labour for the Allied countries, but was unaware of any ICRC report on this matter (12- 2727) or of any condemnation by the ICRC of the use of German slave labour. (12-2733)
Wow, it gets even better,........
He (Biedermann) agreed parcels were sent to Auschwitz during the war to Jews?!?!?!? (12-2627 to 2630),........
He agreed parcels were sent to Auschwitz during the war to Jews, (12-2627 to 2630) and that the ICRC received a number of acknowledgments of receipt from inmates at Auschwitz (just) before the Soviets overtook the camp in January, 1945.
Biedermann stated that the ICRC's parcel distribution programme to the German concentration camps was negatively affected by the Allied blockade and the destruction of roads and railways by Allied saturation bombing. (12-2637).........
He (Biedermann) did not know anything about the murder of 560 guards at Dachau concentration camp upon its liberation or the fact that photographs existed which showed the presence of an ICRC representative during the massacre committed by American troops.
Here is a message from www.zundelsite.org which should be acted upon.
The Red Cross via its International Tracing Service in Arolson, headed by Red Cross delegate, Charles Biedermann, has important information on hand of every concentration camp inmate who ever went through a German prisoner-of-war or civilian concentration camp. These 44 million pieces of information could, with today's computer technology, OCR software etc. be sifted, categorized, analyzed and double-checked. In a very short time, this information could be made available to the public, which would put an effective end to all the abuse, misinterpretation, fudging and falsifying of alleged and real numbers of "Nazi victims."
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The Most Debated Question of Our Time
WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST ?
By Dr. Edward.R. Fields
Official Holocaust Figures Reduced
Immediately after World War II, Allied authorities declared that "Jews had been gassed" in all German concentration camps. It later discovered that the many bodies photographed in the camps died during the waning days of the war - from typhus, cold and starvation. Simon Wiesenthal, of the "Holocaust Center" in Los Angeles, stated in Books and Bookmen, April 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil." The Jew L.P. Beria headed the Soviet NKVD secret police from 1938 to 1953. In 1945, he announced that they had discovered a "holocaust" of six million Jews. This conveniently occurred only in camps in Poland! Beria would not allow any outside investigators to examine these sites. The Jewish-owned New York Times reported in 1945 that Soviet Russia supplied the figure of four million Jews having been put to death, "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz." However, in July of 1990, the Polish government reduced this figure to 1.1 million and it was accepted by Jewish groups. Despite this evidence, the "official figure" of six million dead was not lowered to three million!
(It should also be noted that Elizabeth Dole, president of the American Red Cross, and wife of former Sen. Bob Dole, revealed that the official death records from Auschwitz had been uncovered in the Soviet Archives. It listed 70,000 deaths from all causes.)
If one defines it as 6,000,000 Jews murdered, gas chambers, and a state policy of genocide; then nope, it did not happen. And no one can prove it happened.....just read this forum and see.
Of course missing are the dead of the transit camps.
For example the German postwar Holocaust courts accepted for the Belzec camp 600,000 dead (about the total population of the city of San Francisco), gassed with the exhaust fumes from a single engine (Volkswagen?).
Similar is the situation in Treblinka with 700,000 dead. Also with the exhaust fumes from a single engine.
These numbers should be added, don't you think?
Sailor wrote:These numbers should be added, don't you think?
Actually, as far as can to ascertained, Treblinka never existed as a concentration camp.
War photographs show a small transit camp, but no large concentration camp.
There is no solid evidence of gassings at the tiny transit camp of Treblinka, only the testimony of the usual lying Jews who also claimed that hundreds of thousands were STEAMED to death (at Treblinka).
I agree that there is no material evidence of 700,000 killed in Treblinka.There is no solid evidence of gassings at the tiny transit camp of Treblinka, only the testimony of the usual lying Jews who also claimed that hundreds of thousands were STEAMED to death (at Treblinka).
But a lot of former SS-men confessed to the murder before the German postwar courts.
See: Adalbert Rückerl NS-Vernichtungslager
The problem for Trojan is that there is no evidence to support these alleged 'confessions' (people say bizarre things when their life is in the balance at a show trial) and he cannot present any at this forum.
Let's all remember that thousands upon thousands of people have stated they were abducted by aliens in UFOs, then there's the claimed visions of the Virgin Mary every year in Mexico and France, then there's the alleged 'confessions' to witchcraft and sorcery, and having sex with the devil. Then there's the judeo-supremacist/Zionist warmongers who claimed they had irrefutable evidence for Iraqi 'WMD'. Yep, they all swore to it.
I challenge Trojan to bring forward any specific SS 'confessions' he finds credible, and tell us why he finds then credible, and what evidence is there to support them.
What is of interest here is the astounding fact of a total lack of interest by the German courts to investigate the matter of the Holocaust event itself: Take Treblinka for example. The German courts at the expense of their taxpayers hired an animal psychologist to investigate whether the dog "Barry" could be trained to snap at the genitals of male Jewish inmates.
But when it came to investigate the alleged mass graves of 700,000 allegedly murdered people in Treblinka and to explain why these were never found during excavations by the Polish in 1945 and 1946 the courts were totally silent and disinterested.
The confessions by former SS-men before German courts should not be swept under the carpet by revisionists. They are real and they were made and they have to be dealt with.
I haven't seen anyone sweep them under the carpert, or have they been ignored by any of the principal Revisionists. We know they made 'confessions/testimonies'; but the issue is what they actually said:
1. Does it make sense scientifically?
2. Can it be supported by physical evidence?
3. Was their something to be gained by 'confessing' or 'testifying?
When looked at specifically, critically, these 'testimonies/confessions' are simply unsustainable.
Let this be an open challenge to anyone who thinks they can support what these men said.
Free speech is a wonderful thing.
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