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A fresh look at the Wannsee Conference minutes.

Postby borjastick » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sun May 06, 2018 6:01 am)

A fresh look at the Wannsee Conference minutes.

The conference at the grand house at Wannsee on January 20th 1942 is used by many who wish to claim the holocaust happened to prove their case. I believe it was at this meeting of very senior military officials and planners that the phrase 'The Final Solution' was first used. It is that phrase which for many encapsulates the German will and plan to exterminate all the jews they could under any reasonable grasp of control.

The minutes I have just read are those presented as a translation of the real thing at the Nuremberg trials. So I assume these are the best argument they can muster that the Wannsee Conference was exactly and solely for the acceptance that to solve 'the jewish problem' it meant mass murder.

Here are those minutes - http://holocaust.umd.umich.edu/news/upl ... tocols.pdf I have never read these from top to bottom before and find them strangely odd.

You'll will notice they are fascinatingly short, only ten pages long, and fascinatingly short on any detail or explicit orders and agreement to kill jews.

As I said before these are the official translation of the minutes used at the Nuremberg Trials. Those who claim that there was hidden meaning and suggestion in these minutes to be taken as instruction for genocide must have been sniffing something...

There are however one or two paragraphs which are somewhat odd.

Here's one example ;
Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are
to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews,
separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to
these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes.
The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)

Is these another translation which takes a different path from the original, because these minutes are firing blanks, they prove nothing except the desire to remove all jews from German territories, legally and if a few die in so doing that was deemed acceptable.

'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: A fresh look at the Wannsee Conference minutes.

Postby Hannover » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sun May 06, 2018 10:07 am)

- Notice that we do not see the alleged German original that this 'translation' supposedly came from. Why?

- The Nuremberg Show Trials were notorious for being a farce of jurisprudence.
Nothing in the proceedings which were meant to be 'holocaust' related stand up to rational scrutiny.

- The source of the Wannsee Protocol document, which claims to be "copy 16 of 30", is none other than Nuremberg prosecutor, arch judeo-supremacist / Zionist, Robert Max Kempner.

Kempner's behaviour with evidence was also highly questionable. He would later turn up in German foreign ministry files the Original Copy No. 16 (SIXTEEN) of the Wannsee Protocol, and bestow upon it a wholly undeserved reputation as a key document in the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem; despite the aura which now surrounds it, the document contains no explicit reference to the killing of Jews. It is complete with 'Geheime Kommandosache' rubber stamps. Not only did the R.H.S.A., the agency supposedly originating the document, use the civilian classification 'Geheime Reichssache' on it's documents, but the statistics contained in the document bore little relation either to each other or to reality.

There is further evidence of skulduggery in the documents collected by Kempner's office on the Final Solution. The Nuremberg document experts routinely produced 'staff evidence analysis sheets' on the documents that came into their hands, indicating where they were found, and which individuals were mentioned or incriminated by them.

The sheet on document 4055-PS, a photostat of parts of the German ministry of the interior file on the Final Solution, shows that when first analysed by the experts it contained four important items relating to discussions on definitions of Jews; one of these four documents originating in the spring of 1942, showed Staatssekretaer Franz Schlegelberger informing his staff at the justice ministry that Dr. Hans Lammers, chief of the Reich chancellery, had phoned to inform him the the Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler, had 'repeatedly' ordered the solution of the Jewish problem 'postponed until after the war was over'. This did not suit Kempner at all, and when the file was returned to the document centre this particular photostat was missing."

from: 'Nuremberg, the Last Battle', 1996, by David Irving; p.91-92.
'Nuremberg - Fair Trial or Show Trial ?'
'The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust
Do the 'war crimes' trials prove extermination?'
'The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust, pt.2
Torture' '

more on Auschwitz Commandant Hoess here:

'How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss'
'The Hoess "Confessions" and Legalities'

'Jan Sehn, Polish Auschwitz trials judge ripped by Bellinger'

- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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