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Offer to clear Poland?

Postby Deitrich » 9 months 1 week ago (Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:51 pm)

In numerous places- such as in "Hitler's Krieg" film, it is stated that after beating Poland, Germany offered to clear out of their half of Poland, whilst retaining sovereignty over Danzig and the corridor and make peace with England and France...

The question was put to Quora and a case was made which denied this pretty convicningly..
https://www.quora.com/After-conquering- ... -for-peace

^Is there any evidence extant that Hitler did in fact propose the peace offer put forth by the film Hitler's Kreig???

In the form of speeches, documents, academic revisionist sources would be fine....

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby Deitrich » 8 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:29 am)

Deitrich wrote:In numerous places- such as in "Hitler's Krieg" film, it is stated that after beating Poland, Germany offered to clear out of their half of Poland, whilst retaining sovereignty over Danzig and the corridor and make peace with England and France...

The question was put to Quora and a case was made which denied this pretty convicningly..
https://www.quora.com/After-conquering- ... -for-peace

^Is there any evidence extant that Hitler did in fact propose the peace offer put forth by the film Hitler's Kreig???

In the form of speeches, documents, academic revisionist sources would be fine....


Bump

For those interested [seemingly not so] in this very important and central issue (which I find bizarre) in terms of war guilt- I have located the source, first published by David Irving unfortunately in Hitler's War. Hitler's War was a reliable source but is now problematic to cite since his "downfall" if you interpret it that way.

His source is documentary in the form of a journal entry by the Swedish Birger Dahlerus- inconveniently located in an obscure citation which Irving provides in the most silly fashion at the end of his book providing references for the storybook kind of stuff he writes allocated to page numbers (why he does not adopt academic type references I dunno). It is corroborated by notions made by the Nazi's earlier in the Polish Campaign that the peace settlement would be made as depicted in the film Hitler's Krieg. (Hitler's War- What the Historian's neglect to mention)

This is satisfactory for me- and when the chapter "Overtures of Peace" is read and source vetted it should serve satisfactory for most rational people- but it's problematic in isolation to issue to 99% of the "believer" population (believer here referring to the German guilt question and lebensraum question)

It's important because the German offer to withdraw from Poland renders absurd the notion of Lebensraum meaning "wiping out the Slav's/Russian's" for obvious reasons.

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby Hektor » 8 months 1 week ago (Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:18 am)

Deitrich wrote:....
^Is there any evidence extant that Hitler did in fact propose the peace offer put forth by the film Hitler's Kreig???

In the form of speeches, documents, academic revisionist sources would be fine....


It was even in the English-Speaking media:
https://archive.org/details/16PointPlan ... tember1939

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby Deitrich » 8 months 1 week ago (Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:05 am)

Hektor wrote:
Deitrich wrote:....
^Is there any evidence extant that Hitler did in fact propose the peace offer put forth by the film Hitler's Kreig???

In the form of speeches, documents, academic revisionist sources would be fine....


It was even in the English-Speaking media:
https://archive.org/details/16PointPlan ... tember1939

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It's definitely not that simple. We're here talking about the offer to clear Poland- AFTER she was defeated at the end of September, early November. The liars don't dispute that, they dispute the notion that Hitler offered to clear his beaten half of Poland, sans Danzig and the corridor once Warsaw was defeated militarily, and the allies refused- thus toppling the liars notion of "lebensraum" in the East, and starkly highlighting the warmonger nature of the Western enemies.

This 16 points of peace with Poland was Hitler's final pledge before hostilites issued just before and printed in this newspaper on Sep 1st right after they'd broken out.

This is certainly not the same thing at all.

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby Hektor » 8 months 1 week ago (Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:57 am)

Deitrich wrote:.....

It's definitely not that simple. We're here talking about the offer to clear Poland- AFTER she was defeated at the end of September, early November. The liars don't dispute that, they dispute the notion that Hitler offered to clear his beaten half of Poland, sans Danzig and the corridor once Warsaw was defeated militarily, and the allies refused- thus toppling the liars notion of "lebensraum" in the East, and starkly highlighting the warmonger nature of the Western enemies.

This 16 points of peace with Poland was Hitler's final pledge before hostilites issued just before and printed in this newspaper on Sep 1st right after they'd broken out.

This is certainly not the same thing at all.


OK, it's a fragment and one needs to consider those, when looking at what you are looking for.

But how about this speech?
https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitler ... 1939-10-06

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby Deitrich » 8 months 1 week ago (Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:42 pm)

Hektor wrote:
OK, it's a fragment and one needs to consider those, when looking at what you are looking for.

But how about this speech?
https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitler ... 1939-10-06


That is true of course. It's necessary to consider the entire month of September and the August and October before and after and developments of the Polish question which is of course how revisionist historian's have done it.

The Dahlerus clincher should be more accessible as these behind the scenes machinations are equally important for what went on here as are official public discourse.

With regards to the October 6th German peace offer, here is the transcript in English.
http://www.hitler.org/speeches/10-06-39.html

Particularly this passage:

What then are the aims of the Reich Government as regards the adjustment of conditions within the territory to the west of the German-Soviet line of demarcation which has been recognized as Germany's sphere of influence?

First, the creation of a Reich frontier which, as has already been emphasized, shall be in accordance with existing historical, ethnographical and economic conditions.

Second, the disposition of the entire living space according to the various nationalities; that is to say, the solution of the problems affecting the minorities which concern not only this area but nearly all the States in the Southwest of Europe.

Third, in this connection: An attempt to reach a solution and settlement of the Jewish problem [which concerned Poland as much as it did Germany who were also trying to free themselves from Jewish totalitarian control prior to hostilities]

Fourth, reconstruction of transport facilities and economic life in the interest of all those living in this area.

Fifth, a guarantee for the security of this entire territory

Sixth, formation of a Polish State so constituted and governed as to prevent its becoming once again either a hotbed of anti-German activity or a center of intrigue against Germany and Russia.

In addition to this, an attempt must immediately be made to wipe out or at least to mitigate the ill effects of war; that is to say, the adoption of practical measures for alleviation of the terrible distress prevailing there.


This "Offer to clear Poland" question seems to be resolved.

Hitler was willing to withdraw from Poland under an obviously justified conditional agreement. The British and the French refused.

Thus proving that the object was not to defend Poland at all- but to initiate war against Germany. It also demonstrates the absurdity of the mainstream view of the German war for lebensraum in the East and a design for Hitler to winningly attack the Soviet Union in a war of genocide and conquest a year and a half later.

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby Deitrich » 8 months 1 week ago (Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:17 am)

A further lead.. The film "Hitler's Krieg- What the Historian's Neglect to Mention" is based mostly on the book "The War with Many Father's" by Gerd Schultze-Rhonof.

This book is endorsed by CODOH, and therefore should be near 100% honourable to factual truth.

I have not yet reviewed this book. I will indulge after my current volume and report further findings if available on a more reliable source than Irving here for all others to help all to combat the most important issues regarding the world's biggest lie.

Please jump in if anyone else can cite this evidence first.

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby HMSendeavour » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:36 pm)

Deitrich wrote:
Deitrich wrote:In numerous places- such as in "Hitler's Krieg" film, it is stated that after beating Poland, Germany offered to clear out of their half of Poland, whilst retaining sovereignty over Danzig and the corridor and make peace with England and France...

The question was put to Quora and a case was made which denied this pretty convicningly..
https://www.quora.com/After-conquering- ... -for-peace

^Is there any evidence extant that Hitler did in fact propose the peace offer put forth by the film Hitler's Kreig???

In the form of speeches, documents, academic revisionist sources would be fine....


Bump

For those interested [seemingly not so] in this very important and central issue (which I find bizarre) in terms of war guilt- I have located the source, first published by David Irving unfortunately in Hitler's War. Hitler's War was a reliable source but is now problematic to cite since his "downfall" if you interpret it that way.

His source is documentary in the form of a journal entry by the Swedish Birger Dahlerus- inconveniently located in an obscure citation which Irving provides in the most silly fashion at the end of his book providing references for the storybook kind of stuff he writes allocated to page numbers (why he does not adopt academic type references I dunno). It is corroborated by notions made by the Nazi's earlier in the Polish Campaign that the peace settlement would be made as depicted in the film Hitler's Krieg. (Hitler's War- What the Historian's neglect to mention)

This is satisfactory for me- and when the chapter "Overtures of Peace" is read and source vetted it should serve satisfactory for most rational people- but it's problematic in isolation to issue to 99% of the "believer" population (believer here referring to the German guilt question and lebensraum question)

It's important because the German offer to withdraw from Poland renders absurd the notion of Lebensraum meaning "wiping out the Slav's/Russian's" for obvious reasons.


I have another source for you.

The Führer is prepared to move out of Poland and to offer reparation damages provided that we receive Danzig and a road through the Corridor, if England will act as mediator in the German-Polish conflict. You are empowered by the Führer to submit this proposal to the British cabinet and initiate negotiations immediately.”
Hesse was flabbergasted. Had a specter of things to come finally dawned on the Führer at the last moment? Or was it just a charade to see how far the British would compromise with the sword of war dangling overhead? Hesse asked Ribbentrop to repeat the offer. He did, adding, “So there will be no misunderstanding, point out again that you are acting on the express instructions of Hitler and that this is no private action of mine.” - Adolf Hitler by John Toland Page 573 of the Anchor Paperback Edition


The reference for this wonderful refutation of the uninformed Quora user is this

Hesse-Hewel: HH 84–85; Hesse, Das Spiel, Chap. 4; interview with Hesse, 1970.
On Hitler offer: Annelies von Ribbentrop 380; interview with Frau von Ribbentrop, 1971. - Page 983


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I'm currently finding it hard to find the Irving quote. On my pdf version the only reference to Dahlerus I get is said to be on page 241 instead of 240 in which the quote is from:

Early in September Göring had hinted to the British through Birger Dahlerus that Germany would be willing to restore sovereignty to a Poland shorn of the old German provinces excised from the Fatherland at the end of the Great War; there would also be a reduction in German armaments.


If this is the right one let me know, if you could also provide a page number for the note you found I'd appreciate it.
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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby flimflam » 6 months 1 week ago (Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:40 pm)

What a great thread. I'm currently working on a request of the publishers of 'Traditions and Encounters', the $150 most widely used (I think) high school history text to correct their write-up on the origins of WW II which consists of a totally one-sided writeup of the Danzig issue that concludes with the sentence:

Hitler was ready to conquer Europe.


And from reading Buchanan and other sources, including the Hitler's War video, I knew this was BS. And I had a sort of a smoking gun, Hitler's 'Last Appeal to Reason' speech on 19 July 1940, which was well publicized by leafletting Europe -
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But, it was a little late in the game. Then I came across a reference to the 6 October 1939 speech in M.S. King's 'The Bad War', which Amazon has de-listed by the way along with the holohoax books, and this thread has provided not one but two smoking guns, the relevant parts of the transcript of the speech and the Toland reference.

The account of the holohoax in the book is also complete BS, and I'll also send in a report on that. I had some success correcting my kids middle school history text, I submitted 3 errors and they corrected (sort of) each of them, one had to do with Eisenhower liberating death camps, another was "Hitler had no interest in avoiding war". I'm sure if you have any secondary school history text you will find blatant errors in the treatment of WW II, and from what I've seen the publishers have formal procedures when someone submits a correction. I recommend it.

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Re: Offer to clear Poland?

Postby flimflam » 6 months 1 week ago (Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:48 pm)

Bonus: There is a video by Gerd Schultze-Rhonof where he discusses the lead up to the war, the false history in the German textbooks, a bogus quote fabricated at Nuremberg, that appears in the Buchanan book btw, the attempted negotiations before the war, the sixteen point program, and more, the vid -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBLgZAv_Iqo


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