"Nazi hunter" SWC head Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide because Jews did it

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"Nazi hunter" SWC head Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide because Jews did it

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:28 am)

Here we have a Jewish supremacist claiming that the zionist state of Israel should not recognize the Holodomor as a genocide... why? Because it would imply that Jews were responsible.
Background on this guy, from wikipedia:
"Efraim Zuroff (born August 5, 1948) is an American-born Israeli historian and Nazi hunter who has played a key role in bringing indicted Nazi and fascist war criminals to trial. Zuroff, the director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center office in Jerusalem, is the coordinator of Nazi war crimes research worldwide for the Wiesenthal Center and the author of its annual "Status Report" on the worldwide investigation and prosecution of Nazi war criminals which includes a list of "most wanted" Nazi war criminals."


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Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide

The Holodomor “is definitely not a genocide,” said Zuroff, the head of the Jerusalem office of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko’s request that Israel recognize the Holodomor – the man-made famine in the Soviet Ukraine in 1932-1933 – was “unbelievable,” and an effort to promote a “double genocide theory,” Efraim Zuroff said on Tuesday.

Poroshenko made his request during a meeting with Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein on Monday. He also referenced the famine that killed millions of Ukrainians during comments he made at Yad Vashem.


“Ukraine, as a state that suffered from the Holodomor of 1932-1933, when millions of Ukrainians were tortured by the communist Stalinist regime that committed genocide against the Ukrainian people, reverently keeps the memory of the Holocaust victims [alive] as well,” he said.

The Holodomor “is definitely not a genocide,” said Zuroff, the head of the Jerusalem office of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. “Stalin decided he wanted to eliminate the kulaks – the private farmers – and get them all into collective farms, and totally change the nature of agriculture in Ukraine.”
Zuroff said Stalin’s forced collectivization applied to everyone, and was not solely directed at Ukrainians.

“Ukrainians were the largest number of victims, but it wasn’t directed against them, it wasn’t a plan to eliminate the Ukrainian people,” he said. “There were Jews who died from the hunger, as did Belarusians and Russians – Stalin used force to get people into his system, but was not trying to exterminate the Ukrainians. That is absurd. The largest number of victims were Ukrainians, but it was not genocide.”
There is, however, scholarly debate about the matter, with some arguing that Stalin’s policies were aimed at snuffing out Ukrainian national aspirations.

Ukraine and some 15 other countries – including Australia, Canada, Mexico and Colombia – recognize the Holodomor as genocide carried out against the Ukrainian people by the Soviet government. Five other countries have recognized it as a criminal act of the Stalinist regime.

Zuroff called on Israel not to recognize Holodomor as genocide, because if everything is genocide, nothing is. “If everyone is guilty, no one is guilty,” he said.

“One of the biggest problems we are facing now is something called the ‘double genocide theory,’ something prevalent throughout eastern Europe, where governments are trying to say that Communist crimes amounted to genocide,” he said. “They were not. If they were, then that means that Jews committed genocide. There were Jews – not out of any loyalty to the Jewish people, and usually Jews who left the Jewish community – who worked in the KGB, in the Communist security apparatus, and did horrible things. It’s true.”

The pernicious subtext of this argument, he said, is that if Jews committed genocide, what right do they then have to complain against the genocide committed in eastern Europe during the Holocaust by people who collaborated with the Nazis.

Zuroff said that Communist crimes should not be characterized as genocide because the Communists did not want to wipe a people off the face of the earth.



Traditionally, the Holodomor is blamed on Jewish Supremacist Lazar Kaganovich. These jewish supremacists are really going hard on the Eastern Europeans now, first blaming them for the alleged "Holocaust" and now saying their own genocides did not occur, simply because it would implicate individual Jews in wrongdoing. I can't imagine this behavior will age well.



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Re: "Nazi hunter" SWC head Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide because Jews did it

Postby borjastick » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:23 am)

'Do as I say not as I do.'

His argument is a distinction without a difference.

He's sort of saying it was manslaughter not pre-meditated murder.

The clear intention is to minimise the event because that would make jews look better. Total nonsense.
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Re: "Nazi hunter" SWC head Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide because Jews did it

Postby Spect3r » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:17 pm)

Damn, how shameless one has to be to even thinking of saying such things, damn
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Re: "Nazi hunter" SWC head Zuroff: Israel should not recognize Holodomor as genocide because Jews did it

Postby TimeTraveler » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:41 am)

This guy is literally admitting that Jews are behind communism and all of their genocides.


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