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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby flimflam » 3 years 3 weeks ago (Thu May 04, 2017 9:45 am)

hermod wrote:
Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?

An Interview with Robert B. Stinnett by Douglas Cirignano



Robert B. Stinnett is a Research Fellow at The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif., and the author of the book, Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor (Free Press). For further information, see the Pearl Harbor Archive.

http://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=408


This sixteen page article claims to rebut Stinnett's claims, and while I'm no student of the matter, it seems convincing ...

A Deceitful Book: Robert B. Stinnett’s book “Day of Deceit” By Rear Admiral Richard E. Young, USN (Ret)

http://www.artbarninc.org/REY/Stinnett.pdf

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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby hermod » 3 years 1 week ago (Wed May 17, 2017 5:54 am)

flimflam wrote:This sixteen page article claims to rebut Stinnett's claims, and while I'm no student of the matter, it seems convincing ...

A Deceitful Book: Robert B. Stinnett’s book “Day of Deceit” By Rear Admiral Richard E. Young, USN (Ret)

http://www.artbarninc.org/REY/Stinnett.pdf


It seems convincing only if you want to be convinced by it.

The point that FDR didn't provoke Japan because he didn't reply to the McCollum memo with a memo or telegram stating "OK. Let's do that." is quite laughable. The best evidence for FDR's knowledge and acceptance of the plan in the McCollum memo is that he meticulously implemented it. Actions speak louder than words.

And FDR didn't only provoked Japan. He also provoked Germany. Japan was the first to respond to FDR's provocations, but FDR's aggressive policy was far from being limited to an oil embargo on Japan.

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Even FDR's state-sponsored excuse for his oil embargo on Japan (academic narrative) is a ludicrous lie. It's claimed:

In 1940 Japan invaded French Indochina [...] This move prompted the United States to embargo all oil exports, leading the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) to estimate it had less than two years of bunker oil remaining [...] Responding to Japanese occupation of key airfields in Indochina (July 24) following an agreement between Japan and Vichy France, the U.S. froze Japanese assets on July 26, 1941, and on August 1 established an embargo on oil and gasoline exports to Japan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_le ... arl_Harbor


Indochina was a French colony and Vichy France was if not a military ally at least a friendly country of Germany and Japan. The Japanese so-called invasion of Indochina was not an invasion but an authorized occupation of a friendly country's lands. The United States had no right to authorize or ban an occupation of Indochina. The United States had as much right to authorize or ban an occupation of Indochina as France had the right to authorize or ban an occupation of Dakota.

The orthodox narrative of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor is a grotesque story. The policies of US warmongers are always hidden by academic historians (state-sponsored storytellers) behind alleged blunders of incompetent leaders. It's always: We told Saddam that we didn't care about his disputes with Kuwait (see April Glaspie), and we declared war on Saddam's country as soon as the Iraq-Kuwait war started. But that was not bellicose trick. That was just a diplomatic blunder. Oops, sorry for that. Won't happen again...until next time.
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 1 week ago (Wed May 17, 2017 6:28 am)

Roosevelt's warmongering should be obvious to any serious researcher on the topic of how the US came to be involved in the conflict. Here are excerpts from the concluding chapter to "America's Second Crusade" by William Henry Chamberlin. It shows that time and time again Roosevelt would say one thing in public and then do the exact opposite in private. Anyone who ignores the duplicitous character of Roosevelt is deluding themselves -
http://codoh.com/library/document/2554/
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby flimflam » 2 years 11 months ago (Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:12 pm)

hermod wrote:
flimflam wrote:This sixteen page article claims to rebut Stinnett's claims, and while I'm no student of the matter, it seems convincing ...

A Deceitful Book: Robert B. Stinnett’s book “Day of Deceit” By Rear Admiral Richard E. Young, USN (Ret)

http://www.artbarninc.org/REY/Stinnett.pdf


It seems convincing only if you want to be convinced by it.



The article does not claim that FDR did not goad the Germans and the Japanese, it convincingly argues that Stinnett's claim that FDR new of the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened is bogus.

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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Breker » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:54 am)

flimflam wrote:The article does not claim that FDR did not goad the Germans and the Japanese, it convincingly argues that Stinnett's claim that FDR new of the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened is bogus.

Really? Please say how exactly.
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby flimflam » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:14 pm)

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flimflam wrote:The article does not claim that FDR did not goad the Germans and the Japanese, it convincingly argues that Stinnett's claim that FDR new of the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened is bogus.

Really? Please say how exactly.
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LOL. Like asking me to prove, exactly, that the holohoax didn't happen. The burden of proof is on Stinnett, and by proxy, you. You 'prove' FDR knew, quoting Stinnett as necessary, and I'll go to the trouble of trying to demonstrate that your proof is bogus, unless, of course, it is obvious conjecture and nonsense.

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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Breker » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:02 pm)

flimflam wrote:
Breker wrote:
flimflam wrote:The article does not claim that FDR did not goad the Germans and the Japanese, it convincingly argues that Stinnett's claim that FDR new of the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened is bogus.

Really? Please say how exactly.
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LOL. Like asking me to prove, exactly, that the holohoax didn't happen. The burden of proof is on Stinnett, and by proxy, you. You 'prove' FDR knew, quoting Stinnett as necessary, and I'll go to the trouble of trying to demonstrate that your proof is bogus, unless, of course, it is obvious conjecture and nonsense.

False argument. I'm asking you to back up what you claimed about the article.
You are either dodging or you did not read the article that you said you did. Recall that you DID say that:
it convincingly argues that Stinnett's claim that FDR new of the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened is bogus."

So then, please say how exactly, quote the part of the article that you think is 'convincing'.
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Mortimer » 2 years 8 months ago (Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:48 pm)

Pearl Harbor : Roosevelt's 9/11 is an article by James Perloff. At the very end he mentions Don Smith who was a director for the Red Cross and who claimed that FDR informed him before the attack that they would be receiving casualties and to be prepared with medical supplies. Also former Justice Department official Daryl Borgquist claimed Roosevelt began writing his "day of infamy" speech on 6 December 1941 as if he already knew what was going to happen -
https://jamesperloff.com/2014/11/06/pea ... velts-911/
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 11 months ago (Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:48 am)

Neo Cons in the Trump administration are saying there must be a change of government in North Korea because as a dictatorship it is a bad thing. During WW2 Roosevelt agreed that the northern part of the country should be given to Stalin which is exactly what happened and he promptly proceeded to install a communist dictatorship under Kim Il Sung. So it was Roosevelt (and Truman's) appeasement of Stalin which helped to create this very same dictatorship that the Neo Cons are complaining about.
https://Jamesperloff.com/2014/03/29/the ... ti-agenda/
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 8 months ago (Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:31 am)

Roosevelt asked studio head Jack Warner to make a movie which showed Stalin and his USSR in a positive light. The result was Mission to Moscow released in 1943. It was based on the posting of former US ambassador Joseph E Davies and his recollections of the era. It shows the soviet tyrant as a friendly fellow, whitewashes his crimes and recalls the show trials with a positive point of view. The late syndicated columnist Joseph Sobran wrote a review here - https://codoh.com/library/document/2703/
Author and blogger John Wear has a review here in what is rightfully regarded as one of the worst propaganda films of all time -
https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/01/ ... -a-comedy/
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Lamprecht » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:14 pm)

Great article here just released:

Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe
We Elected Their Nemesis ... But He Was Ours
John Wear

Establishment historians claim that U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt never wanted war and made every reasonable effort to prevent war. This article will show that contrary to what establishment historians claim, Franklin Roosevelt and his administration wanted war and made every effort to instigate World War II in Europe...

http://inconvenienthistory.com/10/1/6450
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 2 months ago (Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:43 pm)

Roosevelt won the 1940 election on an anti war platform because the majority of Americans supported genuine neutrality and non intervention. Privately Roosevelt supported the opposite and was a committed warmonger. In doing so he ignored his own country's history. Up until WW2 Britain was the traditional enemy of the United States having been at war twice in 1776 and 1812. And during the latter conflict the British burned the White House - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington
So here was Roosevelt singing the praises of the very same people who torched the building where he lived and worked. Unlike FDR the average American did not ignore this which is one of the reasons why there was such strong backing for non intervention on the side of British imperialists like Winston Churchill - viewtopic.php?f=26&t=8241
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby Mortimer » 5 months 1 week ago (Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:17 am)

Mortimer wrote:Roosevelt's Warmongering Exposed By Tyler Kent
http://codoh.com/library/document/2049

David Cole of Taki Magazine has written an article about Tyler Kent and the absolutely hypocritical attitude of modern day FDR supporters and Democrats who talk about more recent examples of whistleblowers but do not want his name mentioned.
http://www.takimag.com/article/tyler-ke ... -blow-job/
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Re: Roosevelt's Road To War

Postby HMSendeavour » 4 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:35 am)

There was definitely proof that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbour and thus entered the war on purpose.

From a confidential draft of David Irving's memoirs, I have a 16 page section on his meetings with Albert Speer and his memoirs. In it, he referenced other fake memoirs and diaries including those relevant to Roosevelt and his knowledge of Pearl Harbour:

Henry L. Stimson had every page of his diary between July 1941 and Pearl Harbor retyped to delete references to the Far East and magic, the American codebreaking results, because he wanted “to keep out anything that might hurt the Pres[ident],” as he disarmingly explained to Henry R. Morgenthau; and so on.


The footnote for this inconvenient fact:

A pencilled entry in Morgenthau diary, Nov 4, 1944: FDR Library, Henry R Morgenthau papers, page 1458. The Stimson diaries are in Yale University Library. See my Churchill’s War, vol. ii: Triumph in Adversity (Focal Point: London, 2002?), Page 163 for a fuller exposition of this falsification.
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President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Jewish Cabal

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 1 week ago (Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:38 pm)

President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Jewish Cabal

1. Bernard M. Baruch — a financier and adviser to FDR.
2. Felix Frankfurter — Supreme Court Justice; a key player in FDR's New Deal system.
3. David E. Lilienthal — director of Tennessee Valley Authority, adviser. The TVA changed the relationship of government-to-business in America.
4. David Niles — presidential aide.
5. Louis Brandeis — U.S. Supreme Court Justice; confidante of FDR; "Father" of New Deal.
6. Samuel I. Rosenman — official speechwriter for FDR.
7. Henry Morgenthau Jr. — Secretary of the Treasury, "unofficial" presidential adviser. Father of the Morgenthau Plan to re-structure Germany/Europe after WWII.
8. Benjamin V. Cohen — State Department official, adviser to FDR.
9. Rabbi Stephen Wise — close pal of FDR, spokesman for the American Zionist movement, head of The American Jewish Congress.
10. Frances Perkins — Secretary of Labor; allegedly Jewish/adopted at birth; unconfirmed.
11. Sidney Hillman — presidential adviser.
12. Anna Rosenberg — longtime labor adviser to FDR, and manpower adviser with the Manpower Consulting Committee of the Army and Navy Munitions Board and the War Manpower Commission.
13. Herbert H. Lehman — Governor of New York, 1933-1942, Director of U.S. Office of Foreign Relief and Rehabilitation Operations, Department of State, 1942-1943; Director-General of UNRRA, 1944 - 1946, pal of FDR.
14. Herbert Feis — U.S. State Department official, economist, and an adviser on international economic affairs.
15. R. S. Hecht — financial adviser to FDR.
16. Nathan Margold — Department of the Interior Solicitor, legal adviser.
17. Jesse I. Straus — adviser to FDR.
18. H. J. Laski — "unofficial foreign adviser" to FDR.
19. E. W. Goldenweiser — Federal Reserve Director.
20. Charles E. Wyzanski — U.S. Labor department legal adviser.
21. Samuel Untermyer — lawyer, "unofficial public ownership adviser" to FDR.
22. Jacob Viner — Tax expert at the U.S. Treasury Department, assistant to the Treasury Secretary.
23. Edward Filene — businessman, philanthropist, unofficial presidential adviser.
24. David Dubinsky — Labor leader, president of International Ladies Garment Workers Union.
25. William C. Bullitt — part-Jewish, ambassador to USSR [is claimed to be Jonathan Horwitz's grandson; unconfirmed].
26. Mordecai Ezekiel — Agriculture Department economist.
27. Abe Fortas — Assistant director of Securities and Exchange Commission, Department of the Interior Undersecretary.
28. Isador Lubin — Commissioner of Labor Statistics, unofficial labor economist to FDR.
29. Harry Dexter White [Weiss] — Assistant Secretary of the Treasury; a key founder of the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank; adviser, close pal of Henry Morgenthau. Co-wrote the Morgenthau Plan.
30. Alexander Holtzoff — Special assistant, U.S. Attorney General's Office until 1945; [presumed to be Jewish; unconfirmed].
31. David Weintraub — official in the Office of Foreign Relief and Rehabilitation Operations; helped create the United Nations; Secretary, Committee on Supplies, 1944-1946.
32. Nathan Gregory Silvermaster — Agriculture Department official and head of the Near East Division of the Board of Economic Warfare; helped create the United Nations.
33. Harold Glasser — Treasury Department director of the division of monetary research. Treasury spokesman on the affairs of United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration.
34. Irving Kaplan — U.S. Treasury Department official, pal of David Weintraub.
35. Solomon Adler — Treasury Department representative in China during World War II.
36. Benjamin Cardozo — U.S. Supreme Court Justice.
37. Leo Wolman — chairman of the National Recovery Administration's Labor advisery Board; labor economist.
38. Rose Schneiderman — labor organizer; on the advisery board of the National Recovery Administration.
39. Jerome Frank — general counsel to the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, Justice, U.S. Court o Appeals, 1941-57.
40. Gerard Swope — key player in the creation of the N.R.A. [National Recovery Administration]
41. Herbert Bayard Swope — brother of Gerard
42. Lucien Koch — consumer division, N.R.A. [apparently-Jewish]
43. J. David Stern — Federal Reserve Board, appointed by FDR
44. Nathan Straus — housing adviser
45. Charles Michaelson — Democratic [DNC] publicity man
46. Lawrence Steinhardt — ambassador to Soviet Union
47. Harry Guggenheim — heir to Guggenheim fortune, adviser on aviation
48. Arthur Garfield Hays — adviser on civil liberties
49. David Lasser — head of Worker's Alliance, labor activist
50. Max Zaritsky — labor adviser
51. James Warburg — millionaire, early backer of New Deal before backing out
52. Louis Kirstein — associate of E. Filene
53. Charles Wyzanski, Jr. — counsel, Dept. of Labor
54. Charles Taussig — early New Deal adviser
55. Jacob Baker — assistant to W.P.A. head Harry Hopkins; assistant head of W.P.A. [Works Progress Admin.]
56. Louis H. Bean — Dept. of Agriculture official
57. Abraham Fox — research director, Tariff Commission
58. Benedict Wolf — National Labor Relations Board [NLRB]
59. William Leiserson — NLRB
60. David J. Saposs — NLRB
61. A. H. Meyers — NLRB [New England division]
62. L. H. Seltzer — head economist at the Treasury Dept.
63. Edward Berman — Dept. of Labor official
64. Jacob Perlman — Dept. of Labor official
65. Morris L. Jacobson — chief statistician of the Government Research Project
66. Jack Levin — assistant general manager, Rural Electrification Authority
67. Harold Loeb — economic consultant, N.R.P.
68. William Seagle — council, Petroleum Labor Policy Board
69. Herman A. Gray — policy committee, National Housing Conference
70. Alexander Sachs — rep. of Lehman Bros., early New Deal consultant
71. Paul Mazur — rep. of Lehman Bros., early consultant for New Deal
72. Henry Alsberg — head of the Writer's Project under the W.P.A.
73. Lincoln Rothschild — New Deal art administrator



Suggested reading:

Germany's War (Chapter Two - Franklin D. Roosevelt and America’s Second Crusade)
https://www.unz.com/book/john_wear__germanys-war/

"Most historians portray President Franklin D. Roosevelt as a lover of peace and democracy who had to involve the United States in World War II to stop fascist aggression. However, as we shall see in the following discussion, Franklin Roosevelt and his administration secretly made every effort to instigate war in Europe. Roosevelt and his administration then secretly adopted policies and manipulated world events to plunge the United States into war against Germany. All of these secret policies and actions occurred while Roosevelt repeatedly told the American public that he was committed to keeping the United States out of war." - John Wear
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