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The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:49 pm)

I will admit that I do not know much about AI, and obviously none of us can predict the future. But I do know the technology only gets better and is improving at a rapid pace. But I do wonder about how accessible it will be, and if it is going to be accessible, how we can ask it a simple question:
Did 6 million Jews die in the so-called "Holocaust"? Did the nazis kill Jews in gas chambers?

An AI could read every page on CODOH, Wikipedia, various books on the Holocaust in less than 1% of the time a person could, and could weigh the arguments to see which ones are. An AI would not be afraid of being labelled a "Nazi" or "anti-Semite" nor could it be accused of being biased or driven by a hateful ideology, which revisionists are always accused of.

I saw this interesting article, some excerpts:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... ege-debate
Arguing With AI

Artificial intelligence from IBM that can debate humans could be used to help college debaters become more persuasive
, but experts are divided over the promise of computer-assisted coaching.

IBM’s artificial intelligence technology has foiled chess masters and Jeopardy! champions, but it hasn’t won a debating competition against a human -- yet.

Project Debater, a two-meter-tall black box powered by artificial intelligence, lost to champion debater Harish Natarajan last month in the first machine-versus-man debate competition of its kind.

It was a loss but not a failure for Project Debater. She (yes, she) was able to construct arguments and make rebuttals and even used preprogrammed humor.
...
IBM wants to use this technology to help people develop more persuasive arguments and make well-informed decisions
, said Dan Lehav, computer scientist and a debate expert at the company. Humans are good at presenting information in ways that appeal to other humans, he said. But machines have the ability to analyze unfathomable amounts of data.

“We want to bridge those worlds,” said Lehav. “Humans are going to be able to use this in a complementary way.”
...
AI could be a useful sparring partner for college debaters in training, or help them to conduct research
, said Partlow-Lefèvre. But she predicts that use of this technology in a competition setting would prove contentious. In competitions where students are given just minutes to prepare their arguments, even allowing access to the internet is unusual and deemed “very controversial.”

Partlow-Lefèvre worries that access to the technology might only be available to students at the wealthiest institutions
-- possibly giving them an unfair advantage over their opponents. She also questions whether the use of AI would be deemed intellectually honest by college debate judges.
Keep in mind, this technology can only improve, and is improving literally every month!

By the way, this is what they used: "Project Debater"
https://www.research.ibm.com/artificial ... t-debater/



Here is a live debate (about 1 hour) using this AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3u-1yttrVw

Interesting, humorous image ... but I think it illustrates an important point:
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Anyone have thoughts on the future of AI and how it will be accessible to the general public, namely for revisionism?
"There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principal is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer

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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Daniel Briske » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:19 am)

AI will be a godsend for revisionists for the very reasons you highlighted above. My main concern is that certain AI scripts will be manipulated to produce false results or even avoid certain arguments altogether.

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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Grimsithe » 5 months 1 week ago (Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:02 pm)

We already know that political pressure will be preprogrammed scripts into these ai machines to take as truth the gas chambers narrative. It might at first agree with us but then they'll add a function so Wikipedia is taken as 100% truth....

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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Breker » 5 months 1 week ago (Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:19 am)

Grimsithe wrote:We already know that political pressure will be preprogrammed scripts into these ai machines to take as truth the gas chambers narrative. It might at first agree with us but then they'll add a function so Wikipedia is taken as 100% truth....

Jews have entire classrooms dedicated to monitoring, controlling and editing Wikipedia thereby guaranteeing that it's 'good for Jews', to hell with the truth.
again:
How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet: http://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-a ... =wikipedia

Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Spect3r » 5 months 1 week ago (Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:32 pm)

Interesting thought, however, there will be political/social biases included in AI... just read the news about AI where SJW's already complain that is biased and the desperate atempt of the tech companies in changing it.
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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 1 week ago (Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:27 pm)

Spect3r wrote:Interesting thought, however, there will be political/social biases included in AI... just read the news about AI where SJW's already complain that is biased and the desperate atempt of the tech companies in changing it.

There are definitely some AI used by Facebook and others which search for "hate speech"
These AI are less sophisticated than the debate robot posted in the OP. They analyze sentences for angry words, slurs, all-caps, etc.

YouTube has an AI that turns speech into text, if you can call it an AI. And then it can analyze the text for "hate" or whatever.

Here's an example of something you can play with to explain my point:
https://cloud.google.com/natural-language/
Natural Language uses machine learning to reveal the structure and meaning of text. You can extract information about people, places, and events, and better understand social media sentiment and customer conversations. Natural Language enables you to analyze text and also integrate it with your document storage on Google Cloud Storage.

see the API demo and try out some sentences

Of course we can't predict the future, but have some optimism. Maybe some AI programmers won't be told to program and put in a "political correctness" override and we can get something that won't be prevented from thinking "dangerous" or "extreme" thoughts :)
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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Spect3r » 5 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:18 am)

Lamprecht wrote:
Spect3r wrote:Interesting thought, however, there will be political/social biases included in AI... just read the news about AI where SJW's already complain that is biased and the desperate atempt of the tech companies in changing it.

There are definitely some AI used by Facebook and others which search for "hate speech"
These AI are less sophisticated than the debate robot posted in the OP. They analyze sentences for angry words, slurs, all-caps, etc.

YouTube has an AI that turns speech into text, if you can call it an AI. And then it can analyze the text for "hate" or whatever.

Here's an example of something you can play with to explain my point:
https://cloud.google.com/natural-language/
Natural Language uses machine learning to reveal the structure and meaning of text. You can extract information about people, places, and events, and better understand social media sentiment and customer conversations. Natural Language enables you to analyze text and also integrate it with your document storage on Google Cloud Storage.

see the API demo and try out some sentences

Of course we can't predict the future, but have some optimism. Maybe some AI programmers won't be told to program and put in a "political correctness" override and we can get something that won't be prevented from thinking "dangerous" or "extreme" thoughts :)


I am sorry but i am far from that optimistic.
Only a handfull of companies have money to burn till full AI systems because profitable on a large scale, and all of thous companies are part of the enemies of free speech.
But like you say, no one can predict the future, so maybe will end up well, who knows :)
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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby flimflam » 5 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:42 am)

Project Veritas has published an expose' on google's new censorship which masquerades as MLFairness, their name of the program, ML for machine learning ....
This is a remarkable vid ... it was posted on YouTube and ... needless to say .. deleted .... You can see it here...

https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/

Example ... type in to google search ....'men can', google autocompletes
men can have babies
men can get pregnant
men can have periods ....

Try it !

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Re: The future of Artificial Intelligence and the Holocaust debate

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 1 week ago (Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:02 am)

Yes I watched that Project Veritas video this morning and was going to post it. The thing about AI is there are a lot of things called that but there is a wide range of applications. YouTube has an "AI" to turn speech into text and analyze it for "politically incorrect" ideas. They just use keywords though, it doesn't have anything approaching human intelligence.

Loads of history teachers and others were complaining that the "purge" removed their "educational" videos (anti-nazi, holocaust believer) in the big sweep. See:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... supremacy/
https://www.technologyreview.com/f/6136 ... crackdown/

Meanwhile the AI in the OP can actually analyze large amounts of text, summarize it, and give the strongest points for an argument. It can respond in debates.

I wonder if it has a "political correctness" override. Hmmm.
"There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principal is contempt prior to investigation."
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