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Re: Latest Himmler murder documents / forged?

Postby ganglere » 7 years 5 months ago (Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:53 am)

Good morning ladies and gentlemen!

There is more than one thing that confuses me in this affair, to begin with, is this old documents, or recently released ones?

Will be grateful for clarification!

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Postby Hektor » 7 years 5 months ago (Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:39 am)

Bergmann wrote:The documents about Himmler’s murder may have left the British Archives as originals, for a review by forensic document specialists, and were then later returned by The Daily Telegraph as forged documents, while the originals went through some ones shredder or were turned to ashes and smoke in some ones fireplace.
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Speculation. But one thing is mind boggling. Why would the British frame themselves on murdering Himmler by forging documents?

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Re: Latest Himmler murder documents / forged?

Postby ganglere » 7 years 5 months ago (Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:33 am)

Good evening ladies and gentlemen!

It appears as these documents were “classified” from 1945 until the turn of the century (2000) and they thereafter was to be released to the public.

A more full description of this case I have found at:
http://codoh.com/library/document/702 By Joseph Bellinger. I have searched for this article in the CODOH forum search engine, but came out with nothing, so perhaps this is relatively new.

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Postby Hektor » 3 years 6 months ago (Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:05 am)

disillusioned wrote:Turpitz:

There are two possibilities here:

a) The claim that the documents are forgeries is a lie. This becomes evident and draws the holohoax industry into negative light.

b) The claim that the documents are forgeries is true. The implication is that other documents which do support the holohoax claim could be forgeries. Why couldn't they be? If false documents are so easily filed, why isn't it possible that holohoaxers have done the same?

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c) Why would somebody (obviously a person/people with some backing and influence) forge a document and smuggle it into the archive? A document that is subsequently exposed as "forgery".

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Postby HMSendeavour » 9 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:14 am)

Hektor wrote:
disillusioned wrote:Turpitz:

There are two possibilities here:

a) The claim that the documents are forgeries is a lie. This becomes evident and draws the holohoax industry into negative light.

b) The claim that the documents are forgeries is true. The implication is that other documents which do support the holohoax claim could be forgeries. Why couldn't they be? If false documents are so easily filed, why isn't it possible that holohoaxers have done the same?

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c) Why would somebody (obviously a person/people with some backing and influence) forge a document and smuggle it into the archive? A document that is subsequently exposed as "forgery".


d) The people who 'forged' the documents intended to have them exposed in order to discredit the truth about Himmler's murder
Now what does it mean for the independent expert witness Van Pelt? In his eyes he had two possibilities. Either to confirm the Holocaust story, or to go insane. - Germar Rudolf, 13th IHR Conference

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Re: Latest Himmler murder documents / forged?

Postby HMSendeavour » 9 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:09 am)

From Joseph P. Bellinger's article https://codoh.com/library/document/702/

Once again, I have to say, “How timely!,” because the time frame in question covers the period when the circumstances of Himmler’s death were in the process of being researched at the various archives. Certainly this unusual fact in and of itself was brought to the attention of the authorities, as had previously occurred when two German historians, Roger Manvell and Heinrich Fraenkel undertook preliminary research into the circumstances of Himmler’s death in 1963, arousing the suspicions of the War Office. Is it therefore possible or reasonable to suggest that interested individuals had already been apprised of the on-going research then being conducted into the circumstances of Heinrich Himmler’s death by me and Mr. Allen and that steps were then taken to ‘neutralise’ the apprehended fallout?


It's interesting isn't it. Whenever a historian or two looks for information in relation to the death of Heinrich Himmler the British War Office or whoever are always at that moment in time keeping a close eye on them. And when the evidence does come out like it did with Allen this very convenient set of events unfolds which obfuscates the historical truth.

The fact this has been going on since Manvell and Fraenkel leaves me with no doubt. There's more to this and people who'd prefer to remain unknown have been operating this conspiracy since 1945.

One simply has to ask why would Himmler turn himself over to the Allies only to kill himself? Especially after 3 days when supposedly hiding a cyanide capsule in his mouth? That in and of itself makes no sense. The obvious implication put forth by the conventional historians is that he wanted to obscure any facts about the Holocaust. At least that appears to be the implication from my perspective.
Now what does it mean for the independent expert witness Van Pelt? In his eyes he had two possibilities. Either to confirm the Holocaust story, or to go insane. - Germar Rudolf, 13th IHR Conference

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Re: Latest Himmler murder documents / forged?

Postby borjastick » 9 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:57 am)

Of all the main men in the hierarchy of the Nazi party who were captured such as Hoess, Hess, Goring, Himmler they clearly fall into two camps. The first being 'I knew nothing about it' the second being 'yes it happened and I personally killed six million jews and would do it again'.

Those in the second group were executed or died in suspicious circumstances. Leads me to think the allies couldn't possible allow the chance that a senior leader type would argue and be able to provide serious evidence that it, the holocaust, was all lies.
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Re: Latest Himmler murder documents / forged?

Postby HMSendeavour » 9 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:41 am)

borjastick wrote:Of all the main men in the hierarchy of the Nazi party who were captured such as Hoess, Hess, Goring, Himmler they clearly fall into two camps. The first being 'I knew nothing about it' the second being 'yes it happened and I personally killed six million jews and would do it again'.

Those in the second group were executed or died in suspicious circumstances. Leads me to think the allies couldn't possible allow the chance that a senior leader type would argue and be able to provide serious evidence that it, the holocaust, was all lies.


Why would they execute people who said 'yes it happened and I personally killed six million jews and would do it again'. They'd be the best witnesses, you wouldn't even need to torture them. Unless the Allies only kept alive those bigwigs in which they could pin the Holocaust but not the bigwigs that could actually fight back like Himmler because they were in a position to know. That would be the prime reason they killed him.
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Re: Latest Himmler murder documents / forged?

Postby Lamprecht » 9 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:37 am)

HMSendeavour wrote:Why would they execute people who said 'yes it happened and I personally killed six million jews and would do it again'.

They already got what they wanted. Wouldn't want them to come out later and say "Just kidding"
"There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principal is contempt prior to investigation."
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