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Re: Bad Arolsen files - the end of Revisionism?

Postby Hektor » 10 months 3 days ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:50 am)

forasanerworld wrote:Just spotted this of four days ago, a massive new releasehttps://eurojewcong.org/news/communities-news/germany/german-archive-puts-850000-documents-on-nazi-victims-online/

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Hundreds of thousands of documents on Nazi crimes with information on some 10 million people were made accessible online, the Germany-based International Centre on Nazi Prosecution said.

The documents are from the American Zone of Occupation in southern Germany
— the largest Allied-controlled area — and are part of the centre’s trove known as the Arolsen Archives, some of which are already online.

In the months after the end of the war, Britain, France, the Soviet Union and the United States ordered local German authorities to provide information on the fate of any foreign nationals, German Jews and stateless persons. Details of burial sites were also included.

“In the American Zone of Occupation alone, this resulted in the creation of around 850,000 documents containing information on 10 million names,” the centre said in a statement.


It sounds like many of those were lists with the names of prisoners(?) or foreign workers. Let me guess: None of those documents relates to homicidal gassings, not remotely!

Bear in mind they only release those documents now to the public and they were under control of the Allied occupying powers in Germany. One has to wonder, why they kept them secret for so many decades (Almost 75 years).



Remember the exterminationist canard:"The Holocaust is the best documented genocide in human history!"
Revisionist:"Oh, then for sure you can provide us some documents proving that people were gassed to death?!"
Exterminationist Reply:"The Nazis made all the documents and evidence vanish!"

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Re: Bad Arolsen files - the end of Revisionism?

Postby Lamprecht » 10 months 2 days ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:58 am)

I found a curious document
Release of 8 ill Poles from the forced labour camp Treblinka, 18.10.1943

Reference Code
8156200

Creation Date
1943-10-18 - 1943-10-18

Number of documents
2

Scope and content
Letter of the commander of the forced labour camp Treblinka to the administration of county hospital Klimowizna, administrative district Sokolow, on the release of 8 ill Polish prisoners from the forced labour camp.
The following information is contained: name, first name, date of birth, place of birth.
https://collections.arolsen-archives.or ... ,title=asc

Why would sick Poles be released from Treblinka 1? This is supposedly the same month T2 was destroyed, supposedly it would have been the workers themselves who did that. Why would they let these witnesses just go somewhere else and tell the stories of what happened at T2?
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Re: Bad Arolsen files - the end of Revisionism?

Postby Hektor » 10 months 2 days ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:57 am)

Lamprecht wrote:I found a curious document
Release of 8 ill Poles from the forced labour camp Treblinka, 18.10.1943

Reference Code
8156200

Creation Date
1943-10-18 - 1943-10-18

Number of documents
2

Scope and content
Letter of the commander of the forced labour camp Treblinka to the administration of county hospital Klimowizna, administrative district Sokolow, on the release of 8 ill Polish prisoners from the forced labour camp.
The following information is contained: name, first name, date of birth, place of birth.
https://collections.arolsen-archives.or ... ,title=asc

Why would sick Poles be released from Treblinka 1? This is supposedly the same month T2 was destroyed, supposedly it would have been the workers themselves who did that. Why would they let these witnesses just go somewhere else and tell the stories of what happened at T2?

Good question.

It gets even better. The Poles are not only to be released, they are also to be paid out money that had been deposited from or for them (The Commandant insisted on this):
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Re: Bad Arolsen files - the end of Revisionism?

Postby Lamprecht » 10 months 2 days ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:34 pm)

Oh well then, it was clearly hush money so they wouldn't talk about shoving hundreds of thousands of jews into gas chambers and burning them in magic outdoor hibachi grills :roll:
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Re: Bad Arolsen files - the end of Revisionism?

Postby Zulu » 10 months 2 days ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:16 pm)

In case of not finding documents reflecting the extermination of Jews, don't worry, it is another trick form the "perpetrators" as a ITS warning states.
There are special aspects to consider when working with the documents from concentration camps that have been preserved in the Arolsen Archives. It is important to bear in mind that these documents can include contradictory information or downplay the severity of the situation in which they were produced, and most of them were filled out by perpetrators. The following introduction also describes the system of forms used in the camps, and it answers questions such as where the documents were created and how the growing shortage of paper during the war affected their production.

https://eguide.arolsen-archives.org/en/ ... ments/#c52

For instance, if f you click on the line :Which special aspect of the concentration camps documents need to be considered?

You''ll find another warning explaining why the documents show only that the prisoners' life at German camps was like at any organized camp during war time, don't be fooled; this is merely another trick from the nasty nazis who did all they could in order to hide their crimes.
Most of the concentration camp documents described in the e-Guide were produced by Nazi perpetrators and other authorities involved in deportation, exploitation and murder. The information on the cards and forms therefore does not reflect how the people named on these documents would have described themselves. Instead, the documents are geared toward the logic of persecution. For this reason, they often include stereotypical attributions by the perpetrators, and they force concentration camp prisoners into pre-defined groupings to which the prisoners would not (necessarily) have assigned themselves.

Additionally, documents such as post control cards, clothing storage room cards and sick bay cards in particular can heavily downplay the severity of the situation in the concentration camps. The soberness of these documents and the information written on them make it appear as though prisoners were always able to correspond with the outside world and always received suitable clothing and medical care. But this was not true – especially after the war started. For example, post control cards were always created even when prisoners did not know the location of relatives who had also been deported. And while a clothing storage room card might indicate that a prisoner was given clothing, it says nothing about the quality of the trousers, jackets and shoes that were issued. The garments were often in a bad state, they did not fit properly, and the prisoners could very rarely change them. The sick bay cards are another example of this. Although there were clinics in the camps, it could be very dangerous for prisoners to report to them. The fact that such documents exist certainly does not mean that the prisoners received the clothing and care they needed. Many concentration camp documents were introduced before the war and continued to be used until the war ended. But the reality in the concentration camps deviated more and more from the impression of order created by these cards.


Money account cards, as they are officially known, were kept on file in the main camps. The cards can have different amounts of information depending on whether money was sent to a prisoner or not. But the cards from different camps and time periods are basically very similar. Money account cards can be identified by their tabular structure.
https://eguide.arolsen-archives.org/en/ ... etails/28/

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Re: Bad Arolsen files - the end of Revisionism?

Postby HMSendeavour » 10 months 1 day ago (Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:04 am)

Hektor wrote:
Details of burial sites were also included.


This is quite interesting. Burial sites for whom?
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Re: Bad Arolsen files - the end of Revisionism?

Postby Hektor » 10 months 1 day ago (Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:51 am)

HMSendeavour wrote:
Hektor wrote:
Details of burial sites were also included.


This is quite interesting. Burial sites for whom?


Burial sites of "foreign nationals, German Jews and stateless persons" that had died up to them. The article allows for the interpretation that all of them died, so it makes it sound more odious. But of 10.000.000 people one can assume that close to 200.000 would be dying of natural causes per year (Add to this people dying from bombings, accidents, interaction with military death, disease etc. and a higher figure is to be expected). Those burial sites would be distributed over a large surface of course, probably 10.000ths of locations. If it included mass graves, I'm sure it would have been mentioned.


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