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Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Louis S » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:12 pm)

My US History class recently started on the WW2 portion of the course. I skimmed a few pages and realized that there is a section dedicated to the HH. The bulk of the section refers to Jewish persecution and the post war effect of the HH, but one piece in particular caught my eye. The ”Death Camps”.

The text reads:
Millions Are Murdered in Death Camps
When Germany invaded Poland and the Soviet Union, the Nazis gained control of large territories that were home to millions of Jews. Under Nazi rule, Jews in Warsaw, Lodz, and other Polish cities were forced to live in crowded, walled ghettos. Nazis also constructed additional concentration camps in Poland and Eastern Europe.
At first, the murder of Jews and other prisoners tended to be more arbitrary than systematic. But at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, Nazi leaders made the decision to move toward Hitler's "Final Solution." Reinhard Heydrich, an SS leader known as "the man with an iron heart," outlined a plan to exterminate about 11,000,000 Jews. Although the minutes of the meeting do not use the word "kill," everyone there understood that killing was their goal.
Many concentration camps, especially in Poland, were designated as death camps, where prisoners were systematically exterminated. The largest death camp was Auschwitz in southern Poland. Others included Treblinka, Maid-enek, Sobibor, Belsec, and Chelmno. Prisoners from various parts of the Reich were transported by trains to the death camps and murdered. Nazis forced prisoners into death chambers and pumped in carbon monoxide or crammed the prisoners into showerlike facilities and released the insecticide Zyklon B.
Some concentration camps that the Nazis converted into death camps did not have gassing equipment. In these camps, Nazi guards shot hundreds of thousands of prisoners. Nazi "Action Groups" that followed the army into Eastern Europe also shot several million Jews and buried them in ditches.
In fully functioning death camps, the bodies of murdered prisoners were further desecrated. Human fat was turned into soap; human hair was woven into wigs, slippers, and mattresses; cash, gold fillings, wedding rings, and other valuables were stripped off the victims. After the Nazis had taken what they wanted, they burned the bodies in crematoriums.
By 1945, about 6 million European Jews had been murdered. But Jews were not the only victims. As many as 5 million others lay dead, including neary 2 million non-Jewish Poles. While many survivors lived with constant nighe mares of the experience, or with the sorrow and guilt of being the last members of their families, many others determined to rebuild their lives and families i the United States, Israel, or elsewhere and continue to be productive citizens.

Source: Pg. 495-496; United States History, Reconstruction to the Present, Oklahoma Edition, ©️2014

I would like to discuss one of these topics with my professor, in order to get an exterminationist view on the topic. Personally, I would enjoy to see his response to Simon Wiesenthal’s 5 million number :lol: , but does anyone have a suggestion on which event would the hardest to explain from an exterminationist point of view?

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Lamprecht » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:03 am)

But at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, Nazi leaders made the decision to move toward Hitler's "Final Solution." Reinhard Heydrich, an SS leader known as "the man with an iron heart," outlined a plan to exterminate about 11,000,000 Jews. Although the minutes of the meeting do not use the word "kill," everyone there understood that killing was their goal.

Yet the document clearly explains that the "Final Solution" policy was a resettlement / deportation policy, which is corroborated by every other "Final Solution" document including diary entries by top NS officials. See:

War-time German documents & writings mentioning the "Final Solution"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12296

Also: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12833
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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby stinky » 4 months 1 week ago (Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:56 am)

Human fat was turned into soap

This trash was printed in 2014?
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Louis S » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:43 am)

This trash was printed in 2014?
This claim made by the book made me laugh when I read it. Despite being discredited by the most well known exterminationist scholars, the school books are simply too lazy to change anything. But if that wasn't the case, then have you any idea as to why they would allow a statement like this to be made?

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby stinky » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:29 am)

They allow a statement like this to be made because they have no regard for honesty or scholarly standards so long as it promotes their narrative
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Louis S » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:09 pm)

They allow a statement like this to be made because they have no regard for honesty or scholarly standards so long as it promotes their narrative
A schoolbook would really stoop that low? I suppose that is more reason not to believe the other wild claims it presents.

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Zulu » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:53 pm)

Louis S wrote:My US History class recently started on the WW2 portion of the course. I skimmed a few pages and realized that there is a section dedicated to the HH. The bulk of the section refers to Jewish persecution and the post war effect of the HH, but one piece in particular caught my eye. The ”Death Camps”.

The text reads:
Millions Are Murdered in Death Camps
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Many concentration camps, especially in Poland, were designated as death camps, where prisoners were systematically exterminated. The largest death camp was Auschwitz in southern Poland. Others included Treblinka, Maid-enek, Sobibor, Belsec, and Chelmno.

According with USHMM, the camp of Majdanek (Lublin) is not anymore considered as a "death camp" despite having maintained the existence of several "gas chambers" there. Officially, the death rate there was recently reduced to between 80,000 and 110,000 victims instead of 1,5 million as "established" at the Nuremberg trial. Soon after its liberation, Majdanek was the first place used by the Soviet propaganda to propagate over the world the alleged "extermination policy" of the III Reich.
In late 1941, Nazi officials opted to employ an additional method to kill Jews, one originally developed for the “Euthanasia” Program: stationary gas chambers. Between 1941 and 1944, Nazi Germany and its Allies deported nearly three million Jews from areas under their control to Nazi-occupied Poland. The vast majority were sent to killing centers, often called extermination camps, at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Auschwitz-Birkenau,
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... -holocaust

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Louis S » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:26 pm)

According with USHMM, the camp of Majdanek (Lublin) is not anymore considered as a "death camp" despite having maintained the existence of several "gas chambers" there. Officially, the death rate there was recently reduced to between 80,000 and 110,000 victims instead of 1,5 million as "established" at the Nuremberg trial. Soon after its liberation, Majdanek was the first place used by the Soviet propaganda to propagate over the world the alleged "extermination policy" of the III Reich.
Thanks for the clarification. The amount of untrue assertions this book tells is shocking. But do you know if the statement made by USHMM was before 2014 or after?

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Zulu » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:16 pm)

Louis S wrote:
According with USHMM, the camp of Majdanek (Lublin) is not anymore considered as a "death camp" despite having maintained the existence of several "gas chambers" there. Officially, the death rate there was recently reduced to between 80,000 and 110,000 victims instead of 1,5 million as "established" at the Nuremberg trial. Soon after its liberation, Majdanek was the first place used by the Soviet propaganda to propagate over the world the alleged "extermination policy" of the III Reich.
Thanks for the clarification. The amount of untrue assertions this book tells is shocking. But do you know if the statement made by USHMM was before 2014 or after?


All I can say is that the most recent orthodox figure of 78,000 was given in 2005 by Tomasz Kranz, director of the Research Department of the State Museum at Majdanek (ref: Kranz, Tomasz (2005), Ewidencja zgonow i smiertelnosc wiezniow KL Lublin 23, Lublin: Zeszyty Majdanka).
I don't know whether orthodox historians read polish works that much as do revisionists Mattogno & Graf.
Based on an analysis of surviving death books, Mattogno & Graf determined that a total of 42,000 prisoners died at Majdanek. Jürgen Graf, Carlo Mattogno, KL Majdanek. Eine historsche und technische Studie (Hastins: Castle Hill Publisher, 1998) .pp 71-79.
The number mentioned by Kranz is close to the one of 80,000 (60,000 Jews) currently indicated on the museum's website.
Among an estimated 150,000 prisoners who entered Majdanek, 80,000 people were killed according to the most recent research. Among them, the greatest number of those who died or were murdered were Jews (about 60,000), followed by Poles, Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians.
http://www.majdanek.eu/en/history/general_information/1

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Hannover » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:43 pm)

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According with USHMM, the camp of Majdanek (Lublin) is not anymore considered as a "death camp" despite having maintained the existence of several "gas chambers" there. Officially, the death rate there was recently reduced to between 80,000 and 110,000 victims instead of 1,5 million as "established" at the Nuremberg trial. Soon after its liberation, Majdanek was the first place used by the Soviet propaganda to propagate over the world the alleged "extermination policy" of the III Reich.

The impossible gas chambers claims have been debunked for every site that they are claimed to have existed.

Now ask your shyster "professor" about this for starters.

Briefly, on the laughable "Majdanek gas chambers", from: Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas Chambers
By David Cole
https://codoh.com/library/document/987/?lang=en
Unanswered Questions Regarding the Physical Evidence at the Majdanek Concentration Camp (Poland)

(27) Gas chamber 1 has two doors, both of which open INTO the gas chamber room. How can a homicidal gas chamber have two doors which open IN? Wouldn't the bodies be pressed up against the doors, as described numerous times by eyewitnesses?

(28) The main door into the gas chamber 1 has no locks. It can be opened from either the inside or the outside. There are no holes or fittings where a lock might have been. What stopped the inmates from opening this door?

(29) Gas chamber 1 has a plate glass window in it. There are no holes or fittings around the window where bars or any other kind of cover might once have been. Since the plaster around the window is covered with blue stains, we know that it is the plaster that existed during the time Zyklon B gas was used in this room. If there WERE bars or any other type of cover attached to this window, why are there no traces? What would have stopped the inmates from trying to climb out the window, or breaking the window and causing a gas leak?

(30) There is a room INSIDE gas chamber 1. Why would there be a separate room INSIDE a gas chamber? Doesn't this room indicate that gas chamber 1 was used for something OTHER than killing people?

(31) Gas chambers 2 and 3 are designed backwards. Chamber 2 has a Zyklon B induction hole in the ceiling, but no Zyklon B traces or blue stains. Chamber 3 has heavy, floor-to-ceiling Zyklon B traces and blue stains, but no Zyklon B induction hole. And, like the roof of Krema 2 at Auschwitz, the ceiling shows no sign of a hole having ever been there. Why would chamber 2 have a Zyklon B induction hole and no traces, and chamber 3 plenty of traces but no hole?

(32) The ceilings in chambers 2 and 4 are low enough so that the Zyklon B induction holes could have been blocked by the victims. What would have stopped the inmates from blocking the holes?

(33) The doors to chambers 2,3 and 4 are built to latch from the outside AND the inside. The latches can be opened from either side. Does this suggest that the rooms were used for something other than killing people?

(34) Getting back to the issue of hemispherical grids covering the peepholes, it is said that the point of these grids was to prevent the inmates from breaking the glass of the peepholes and causing a gas leak. Yet the hemispherical grids attached to the peepholes on the doors of chambers 2, 3 and 4 are attached on the OUTSIDE of the doors. These grids wouldn't prevent someone INSIDE the room from breaking the glass...but they WOULD prevent someone OUTSIDE the room from doing so. Why are the grids not on the inside? Does this contradict with the statements by Pressac and the eyewitnesses regarding the need for grids in a homicidal gas chamber?

(35) The Majdanek camp is built on a hill. At the top of the hill is the camp crematorium. At the opposite end of the camp, at the bottom of the hill, is the "Bath and Disinfection" complex, which houses the gas chambers. From the Nazi's point of view, what was the wisdom in putting the gas chambers at the opposite end of the camp from the ovens, and at the bottom of the hill (after each gassing, the dead bodies would have to have been dragged up the hill, the length of the entire camp, to the ovens)?

(36) As the Nazis were preparing to abandon the Majdanek camp, they destroyed the crematorium building. Why were the gas chambers not similarly destroyed? Why would the Nazis leave their weapons of mass murder intact for the world to see? How hard would it have been for the Nazis to destroy the gas chambers, just like they did the crematorium building? At least, shouldn't the Nazis have filled in the Zyklon B induction holes, which serve as direct proofs of homicidal gassings? Either way, the destruction of the crematorium is clear proof that the Nazis had both the time and the ability to demolish buildings in the camp if they wanted to. Why were the gas chambers not demolished?

(37) In his book Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, Jean-Claude Pressac publishes a photo of the Majdanek gas chambers, with the caption "Photograph taken at the Majdanek concentration camp in June 1979, showing one of the disinfestation gas chambers thought to be a homicidal gas chamber." On page 555, he also has this to say about the Majdanek gas chambers: "I am sorry to say, and I am not the only one in the West, that the Majdanek homicidal and/or delousing gas chambers are still waiting for a true historian, which is mildly upsetting in view of the fact that the camp fell into the hands of the Russians intact in 1944." Do these comments suggest that the gas chambers at Majdanek may in fact have been disinfestation gas chambers? At least, don't these comments suggest that there has not yet been a thorough investigation into the purpose of these rooms?[2]

(38) To sum up the Majdanek gas chamber issue: If we take Pressac's comments and then factor in the doors that don't lock, the doors that open INTO the gas chamber, the doors with latches that can be manipulated from both the outside AND the inside, the window in gas chamber 1, the room inside gas chamber 1, the lack of any Zyklon B induction hole in gas chamber 3, the lack of any Zyklon B traces in gas chamber 2 (which DOES have a "Zyklon B induction hole"), the heavy blue stains on the OUTSIDE of the building, and the location of the building, at the bottom of a hill, at the opposite end of the camp from the crematorium, is it reasonable to suggest that these rooms were delousing chambers?
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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Marley775 » 4 months 1 week ago (Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:33 pm)

Hannover wrote:

The impossible gas chambers claims have been debunked for every site that they are claimed to have existed.


Yep, and if I remember, the first one were those two fake gas chambers in the laundramat of the camp.

Soviet soldier stand beside a fake ZB chimney on the laundramat's roof. Lol

http://imgur.com/6jAO5zU

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Hannover » 4 months 1 week ago (Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:37 am)

Marley775 wrote:Hannover wrote:

The impossible gas chambers claims have been debunked for every site that they are claimed to have existed.


Yep, and if I remember, the first one were those two fake gas chambers in the laundramat of the camp.

Soviet soldier stand beside a fake ZB chimney on the laundramat's roof. Lol

http://imgur.com/6jAO5zU

Marley, here's more on that laughable fake, Soviet built 'gas chamber column':

Majdanek 'Cyclone' Column
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11405

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Louis S » 4 months 1 day ago (Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:57 am)

We have just started on how WWII began in the US History class. I was intrigued to hear the Professor’s side of the story, as biased as it may be. So I made a transcription of what he said about the Anschluss, annexation of the Sudetenland, and invasion of Poland.

Professor: “But in Europe, the war actually began with the invasion of Poland, in 1939. And so what happened, see this is how smart Hitler was. You know he was a psychotic, maniac, but he actually sent some German troops over to the other side of the river and fired upon the Germans. So it made it look like who was firing at the Germans?”
Class: “Poland.”
To clarify, is the Professor referring to Gleiwitz? If so, that is covered here.
https://codoh.com/library/document/6340/?lang=en

Professor: “The Poles, so then he[Hitler] said “Okay, now we have a reason to go in and attack”. And the reason he went into to Poland was because he thought Great Britain and France wouldn’t do anything about it. Why? What had happened before that?”
Class: “They had let him take all those small countries.”
Professor: “Czechoslovakia and Austria”
Class: “They let him take them over so he was like “they[Great Britain and France] aren’t going to do anything about it.”
Professor: “Right and he throughly believed it.”
The Professor has mentioned the Anschluss and annexation of the Sudetenland many times prior to this occasion. viewtopic.php?t=9569
I believe the negotiations with Hacha were the official reason given for annexation.

He also said something about Polish atrocities against Germans being falsehoods created by the 3rd Reich to dignify their invasion of Poland.

Note: The Professor is in his 70s, if you were wondering which propaganda campaigns he was present for.

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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Lamprecht » 4 months 17 hours ago (Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:48 am)

Recommended:
The Anschluss with Austria viewtopic.php?t=12836

Someone should have asked him why, if Britain and France cared so much about Poland's freedom or territorial integrity, why they left Poland to the Soviets after the war was over?

And no mention of the USSR's expansionist policies. Curious. Or the fact that the USSR also invaded Poland in Sept. 1939.

And Hitler did not take over "Czechoslovakia" which no longer existed at the time.
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Re: Discussing the Holocaust with an Exterminationist Professor

Postby Louis S » 4 months 11 hours ago (Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:22 pm)

Someone should have asked him why, if Britain and France cared so much about Poland's freedom or territorial integrity, why they left Poland to the Soviets after the war was over?
I’m sure he would have told the class that the Allies didn't want any more war, or that the Soviets were not as bad as the Third Reich. Nevertheless, I will make sure to ask him, as it is a rather interesting question.
And no mention of the USSR's expansionist policies. Curious. Or the fact that the USSR also invaded Poland in Sept. 1939.
In fact, he did go on a monologue about the Soviet Union and their role in the invasion of Poland a little after making the statements regarding the Anschluss and annexation of the Sudetenland. Sorry, I will work on posting it.


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