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Versailles Treaty - Fair or Unjust? Did it guarantee another war?

Postby Lamprecht » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Thu May 07, 2020 10:28 pm)

John Wear has released a new article "Breaking the Chains of Versailles" where he reveals the perverse and unfair nature of the treaty, and how it guaranteed WWII.

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Breaking the Chains of Versailles

By John Wear
Published: 2020-05-07

The Treaty of Versailles is sometimes said to have been the beginning of World War II. The Versailles Treaty crushed Germany beneath a burden of shame and reparations, stole vital German territories, and rendered Germany defenseless against enemies from within and without. Britain’s David Lloyd George warned the treaty makers at Versailles: “If peace is made under these conditions, it will be the source of a new war.”[1]
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Breaking the Chains of Versailles
https://codoh.com/library/document/7278/
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Re: Versailles Treaty - Fair or Unjust? Did it guarantee another war?

Postby Vilhelmsson » 2 months 17 hours ago (Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:49 pm)

The shambolic drawing of the borders at Versailles illustrates the absolute importance of drawing borders in accordance with ethnic interests. One gets the impression that the architects of Versailles understood the borders of Europe no better than the draughts player understands the chessboard.

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Re: Versailles Treaty - Fair or Unjust? Did it guarantee another war?

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 15 hours ago (Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:01 pm)

Vilhelmsson wrote:the absolute importance of drawing borders in accordance with ethnic interests

If the goal is peace, yes. The places with the most hatred, war and genocide are the ones with the most ethnic diversity. The most peaceful parts of the world are the most ethnically homogeneous. I suggest:

Lessons of the Holocaust: Diversity + Proximity = War?
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Re: Versailles Treaty - Fair or Unjust? Did it guarantee another war?

Postby Hektor » 1 month 4 weeks ago (Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:32 am)

Lamprecht wrote:
Vilhelmsson wrote:the absolute importance of drawing borders in accordance with ethnic interests

If the goal is peace, yes. The places with the most hatred, war and genocide are the ones with the most ethnic diversity. The most peaceful parts of the world are the most ethnically homogeneous. I suggest:

Lessons of the Holocaust: Diversity + Proximity = War?
viewtopic.php?t=12362

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Well - that's true and even my personal as well as social experience.

One can of course cite examples of "ethnically diverse" countries and say that there "are no problem". One needs to know the reasons, though. If any dissent is suppressed in such a country, you of course won't hear of that kind of problem. Ethno-based culture does make a society manageable in a more free manner. It's kind of common sense, one that is nowadays often ignored.

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Re: Versailles Treaty - Fair or Unjust? Did it guarantee another war?

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 4 weeks ago (Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:31 am)

Yes there are exceptions and that is what they are, exceptions. Tanzania is an example mentioned in that thread above, a study was cited explaining how they managed to achieve it. There are people that are lean and appear healthy but claim to eat nothing but pizza and coca cola or big macs. Imagine a doctor pointng to these examples and telling an obese/diabetic patient that they should follow this diet strategy because some people can do it and manage to not gain weight.

Laws were passed in Tanzania to ban political parties directly appealing to ethnic or religious groups. I guess a real, functional democracy has to ban specific parties or ideas. In the west, for some reason, democracy is equated with freedom with a sort of religious zeal.
We are told Israel is our "greatest ally" because "they are the only democracy in the region."
Why does that matter? The US military has gone to war and dropped bombs and missiles, killing millions of women and children in order to "make the world safe for democracy."
And this was all done with the same level of religious fervor experienced by the people burning heretics or ritually sacrificing people to change the weather hundreds of years ago. But the death tolls here do not even compare.
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