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So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby Hannover » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:18 am)

It's become nothing less than mindless hysteria.

I suggest that this narcissistic women knows nothing about Revisionist research.
IOW, the woman is utterly clueless, but gets an audience simply because she's lesbian and plays the victim card when in fact her "LGBTers" are a highly privileged, protected class.

Relevant excerpts:
“Would one invite a survivor of the Holocaust to sit down and listen to the rantings of a Holocaust denier?” she asks.
“Would one ask a rape victim to sit down with a rapist and understand why they want to rape people? It is not only ridiculous – it is downright dangerous!”

Except that her so called "rantings" are facts which she cannot refute.
And the same old trick of trying to link Revisionists with criminal acts ("rapists"), and of course within the Big Lie is the vote buying canard about the alleged treatment of homosexuals in NS Germany.

Have a look. Thoughts?

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suggested reading:
The Myth of a Nazi Extermination of Homosexuals by Jack Wikoff
http://www.cwporter.com/homo.htm
Gypsies and Homosexuals in the Camps
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1894
homosexuals - Yad Vashem ...[/quote]
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1930

The article below is based upon this piece in 'Pink News', https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/13/c ... -identity/
LGBT Activist Compares Christians Who Don’t Accept Homosexuality to ‘Rapists’, ‘Holocaust Deniers’
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/1 ... t-deniers/

LGBT activist Jayne Ozanne has compared biblical Christians to “rapists” and “Holocaust deniers” for failing to preach the morality of homosexual sex.

In a recent article for Pink News, Ozanne, director of the UK-based Ozanne Foundation and General Synod member, blasted the Church of England for upholding Christian teaching on marriage and sexuality in its recent publication of a set of resources titled Living in Love and Faith.

Supposedly a British evangelical Anglican, Ozanne works with religious organisations around the world in an effort to persuade them to update their moral teachings to accommodate LGBT sexual lifestyles.

Unlike the soldiers who crucified Jesus, church leaders know they are “wounding and hurting” LGBT people by propagating biblical sexual morality, Ozanne writes, and thus Jesus’ prayer — “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do” — does not apply to them.

“Personally, I believe that it is completely different,” she states. “Indeed, I think it is immoral, inexcusable, and cowardly.”

The Anglican Church’s invitation to LGBT people to dialogue with Church leaders is also unacceptable, Ozanne insists.

“Would one invite a survivor of the Holocaust to sit down and listen to the rantings of a Holocaust denier?” she asks.

“Would one ask a rape victim to sit down with a rapist and understand why they want to rape people? It is not only ridiculous – it is downright dangerous!”

Ozanne takes particular issue with the idea that Christians with same-sex attraction should be encouraged to live celibate lives rather than engaging in homosexual relations.

“There is now a wide body of evidence that shows just how harmful these teachings are to people, particularly young LGBT+ people growing up in conservative communities of faith,” she states.

Ozanne suggests that Christians who do not celebrate gay sex should be prosecuted for hate speech and notions of religious liberty should not allow churches to teach that sodomy is sinful.

There is “clear evidence that certain actions are wounding people, particularly young people at the start of their lives,” she declares, and therefore “they must be robustly challenged and stopped. If necessary, by enshrining things in law.”

It is “the moral duty of a civilised society to safeguard the vulnerable – not appease the perpetrators,” she declares. “This is all the more insidious when the perpetrator is a religious institution, a place which is meant to show love and provide sanctuary.”

Along with preaching against homosexual activity, other offensive practices include “conversion therapy,” Ozanne writes, which attempts to help people overcome same-sex attraction.

People who undergo such therapy, Ozanne says, often do so because they have been taught that changing gender or engaging in homosexual sex is “sinful.”

“Most LGBT+ people are aware that religious teaching can be very Bad News for who they are, who they love and how they are accepted amongst certain religious communities,” she writes.
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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby Merlin300 » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:09 pm)

Hannover wrote:It's become nothing less than mindless hysteria.

I suggest that this narcissistic women knows nothing about Revisionist research.
IOW, the woman is utterly clueless, but gets an audience simply because she's lesbian and plays the victim card when in fact her "LGBTers" are a highly privileged, protected class.



Suggest? You are too kind, Hannover: The poor demented ignoramus knows nothing of Revisionism or of practicing any degree of intellectual rigor or actual tolerance.

As our founder Bradley Smith wrote, "A true sign of bigotry is suppressing the speech of others." Or something like that.

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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby Werd » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:31 pm)

Hannover wrote:It's become nothing less than mindless hysteria.


Maybe if the LGBT community stopped going after the children and trying to convince normal boys and girls that they need to take hormone therapy and disrupt the natural progression of puberty, or tell girls they need to slice off their breasts or little boys to slice off their you know whats, less people would have a problem with the LGBT community.

This ignoramus wants to ignore that while people are becoming LESS religious in Europe overall and even in America, there is EVEN LESBIAN WOMEN REBELLING AGAINST THIS TRANS BRAINWASHING STUFF. They moved the goal post too far and now THEY HAVE TO ANSWER for homophobia and trans hatred FROM ATHEISTS AND EVEN LIBERALS THAT AREN'T RELIGIOUS!

When you come after the children, EXPECT BLOWBACK!

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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby stinky » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:41 pm)

Ozanne suggests that Christians who do not celebrate gay sex should be prosecuted for hate speech and notions of religious liberty should not allow churches to teach that sodomy is sinful.

There are plenty of statements made by 'Ozanne' that would strongly suggest that 'it' is completely irrational, warped & detached from reality - perhaps none are a better indication than the statement quoted above.
Further, as werd points out, the LGBT 'community' & their advocates aggressively push hormone therapy & body mutilation on children. Yet, with absolutely no sense of self awareness, and completely unbound by any sense of reality, they point to the non-invasive practice of 'conversion therapy' as "harmful" or "offensive".
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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby Kretschmer » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:48 am)

LGBT activists have always hated the truth and anything associated with it, ever since their laughable claim that Christians have historically disliked sodomy just because of an alleged "mistranslation" in the Book of Leviticus (even though there are three verses found in the New Testament that also clearly condemn homosexuality, which have never been argued by these clowns to be "mistranslations.") It is thus no surprise to me that they would attack any form of historical revisionism, all without actually examining the merits of its practitioners' arguments, of course.
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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby borjastick » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:57 am)

The point of her madness and rantings is the comparison with the holocaust as she sees it. She feels it would be wrong and immoral to sit a holocaust denier down with a holocaust denier/revisionist. Perhaps so. In that case why won't she sit down, metaphorically speaking, with one of us and debate what she believes the truth to be about her holocaust. I mean she could do it from the comfort of her padded cell via the interweb on this forum...

'Activists' and campaigners for LGBT rights and dogma and that of the Trans movement have always struck me as unhinged and likely to be certifiably deranged. Just because she thinks the way she does doesn't make it right. Probably the best thing to do with this excuse for a woman is to ignore her or bombard her with reality messages.
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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby Breker » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:12 pm)

borjastick tells us:
Activists' and campaigners for LGBT rights and dogma and that of the Trans movement have always struck me as unhinged and likely to be certifiably deranged. Just because she thinks the way she does doesn't make it right.
And to think, those like this Rachel Levine, 'trans' Health Secretary of Pennsylvania, wouldn't sit down with "ranting holocaust deniers".
We surmise that Levine's self mutilation and DNA denial rather embody the epitome of mental stability. :roll:

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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby stinky » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:51 am)

Breker wrote:We surmise that Levine's self mutilation and DNA denial rather embody the epitome of mental stability. :roll:

And to add to that - what a stunning physical "transformation"
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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby Hektor » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:19 pm)

Kretschmer wrote:LGBT activists have always hated the truth and anything associated with it, ever since their laughable claim that Christians have historically disliked sodomy just because of an alleged "mistranslation" in the Book of Leviticus (even though there are three verses found in the New Testament that also clearly condemn homosexuality, which have never been argued by these clowns to be "mistranslations.") It is thus no surprise to me that they would attack any form of historical revisionism, all without actually examining the merits of its practitioners' arguments, of course.


The condemnation of homosexual acts and subsequent rejection of homosexuality as acceptable stems from this being an attack on the order of creation, which is male and female. That's why this is seen as an abomination. The disparaging of homosexuals by societies was mostly due to people's intuition that there is something wrong with those people. They were however mostly left alone, if they didn't draw attention to their proclivities in some way. I put this mildly, since they also went out "recruiting" for their preferential "life style".

Now with tolerance and "respect for human dignity" driven farther and farther the affair was essentially legalised, "if it was between grown ups in their own bedrooms". Homosexuality was also taken out of diagnostic manuals as a psychological problem of the affected. Essentially declaring this to be a normal sexual preference in humans. It didn't stop there of course - one got the "LGBT rights" movement, despite homosexuality never being a reason to be deprived of any common rights. In front of the Law (in western countries at least) they were always measured to the same standards as heterosexuals. Just that homosexual practices were seen as crimes against nature or violations of a code of decency. This was when written law still reflected common law, which is considering "traditional" morality of the society the law is applied to.

At the moment they whole affair gets turned around with homosexuals claiming victim status for a number of things. Very popular is the claim to be victim of "hate crimes". That's usually getting beaten up by someone, claiming that it was that persons "homophobia". Needless the say that those incidents do commonly have some different background from the one claimed to be. E.g. the homosexual having made some advances on someone with the target becoming disgusted by this. Or a relationship went sour and this is actually like "domestic violence". Of course the focus will not be on this kind of background, the goal is to create the impression that there is a lurking army of homophobes in society that think the whole day how they can kill the homosexuals. This, while the vast majority of people simply isn't interested in this. A minority may even white-knight for them. The other thing is law-suits claiming discrimination, because they were not welcome in a bar, but the favourite target seem to be Christian bakers that refuse to make "gay" wedding cakes for them. In other advance is in education trying to change any educational materials that still hold up the male-female-family as ideal or norm. And the saga goes on.

And as Kretschmer says: Another field is historiography in this. I noticed that a common claim is to portray famous figures as homosexuals including those were there isn't really good proof for this. It's enough that a person was unmarried or had a close friendship to some male. And oops, he must have been a homosexual. Of course there were homosexuals in the past and this seems to be even conspicuous in societies during their later stages of civilisation. However this doesn't seem to be sustainable at all with those societies declining afterwards into oblivion, by conquest or for other reasons. Academics and intellectuals used actually to know and teach this, but there seems to be a deliberate attempt to keep this out of academia and historiography nowadays. There are some quite ambitious individuals and groups that are pushing agendas in that field, while those holding dissenting views are being isolated, defunded and kept out altogether. So much for tolerance one could say, because those always insisting on it for the last decades don't practice it as a virtue, when it comes to their ideas and proposals being challenged.

So it's no surprise that they would join the brigade of the persecutors of "Holocaust Deniers".

Another ploy is the cult of the victim here. One doesn't openly attack group X or proclaims a goal of domination for oneself any more. One uses a more subtle, nay sneaky, underhanded method here. Simply proclaim that a group Y has been the victim of X for so long for no other reason than irrational hate. A highly dishonest method one would say. But it works in the sense that perpetual insistence and propaganda for a victim states of group Y gains them shielding from criticism and grants them privileges at some stage. Affirmative Action and legislative changes are only minor points to score in this game. I think there was a reason why "playing the victim" was rather disreputable in Western societies for so long. Although sometimes people could get away with this. That the use of this tactic has increased over the last decades does however indicate that there is now some strategy this is part of. Of course that could also be due to copying successful efforts of others with the Holocaust Industry being the prime example there.

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Re: So called "LGBT activist" attacks Christians, "Holocaust deniers"

Postby Breker » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:37 pm)

Hektor stated:
So it's no surprise that they would join the brigade of the persecutors of "Holocaust Deniers".

Another ploy is the cult of the victim here. One doesn't openly attack group X or proclaims a goal of domination for oneself any more. One uses a more subtle, nay sneaky, underhanded method here. Simply proclaim that a group Y has been the victim of X for so long for no other reason than irrational hate. A highly dishonest method one would say. But it works in the sense that perpetual insistence and propaganda for a victim states of group Y gains them shielding from criticism and grants them privileges at some stage. Affirmative Action and legislative changes are only minor points to score in this game. I think there was a reason why "playing the victim" was rather disreputable in Western societies for so long. Although sometimes people could get away with this. That the use of this tactic has increased over the last decades does however indicate that there is now some strategy this is part of. Of course that could also be due to copying successful efforts of others with the Holocaust Industry being the prime example there.
As noted in the OP, Jews have gained cheerleaders for their 'Holocaust" fraud by including homosexuals as another group that was supposedly murdered en masse. However, revisionist research has demonstrated rather conclusively that such a claim is just as ridiculous as the claims made about the '6,000,000 Jews'.
Gays, like Jews, just love claiming to be victims. They both benefit immensely from it.
There was a time when claiming victim status was considered bad form, lacking in honour even if true. Now it's all the rage, regardless of truth.
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