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The Known Death Totals at German Camps

Postby borjastick » 4 years 1 month ago (Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:24 am)

We all know that one of the usual answers to doubt of the holocaust claims when discussing it with a believer is the 'but I've seen all the bodies, how can you doubt it?'

Most regular readers here will know that a) it is officially recognised that no gas chambers were used in camps on German soil, b) the deaths in camps such as Buchenwald, Bergen Belsen etc were a very small fraction of the total claimed 6m dead and c) they were caused mainly by typhus and starvation due to the collapsing infrastructure in the closing months of the war. These figures may be on some interest to newer readers. Please remember that not all deaths were those of jews, thus they would and should not be counted as part of the 6m.

So here's a little review of figures of the well known camp deaths plucked from official and reliable sources, my emphases added,:

Buchenwald
Camp records indicate that throughout its existence some 240,000 prisoners from at least 30 countries were confined at Buchenwald. At least 10,000 were shipped to extermination camps, and some 43,000 people died at the camp.11 Jun 2015
Buchenwald | concentration camp, Germany | Britannica.com
http://www.britannica.com/place/Buchenwald


The Dead of Buchenwald

Based on Nazi records and other evidence collected after liberation of the camp, the number of those who died or were murdered under the immediate influence of Buchenwald is no fewer than 55,000 victims.
Note this 55k figure also includes 11000 claimed to have been sent on 'liquidation transports'
Source - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/js ... stats.html

The SS murdered at least 56,000 male prisoners in the Buchenwald camp system, some 11,000 of them Jews.

Source - http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php ... d=10005198

Bergen Belsen
There were no gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen, since the mass killings took place in the camps further east. Nevertheless, current estimates put the number of deaths at Belsen at more than 50,000 Jews, Czechs, Poles, anti-Nazi Christians, homosexuals, and Roma and Sinti (Gypsies).[7] Among them was Czech painter and writer Josef Čapek (estimated to be in April 1945).

Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Be ... ation_camp

During its existence, approximately 50,000 persons died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp complex including Anne Frank and her sister Margot, both of whom died in the camp in March 1945. Most of the victims were Jews.

Source - http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php ... d=10005224

While Bergen-Belsen contained no gas chambers, an estimated 50,000 people died of starvation, overwork, disease, brutality and sadistic medical experiments.

Source - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/js ... elsen.html

Dachau
Over the 12 years of use as a concentration camp, the Dachau administration recorded the intake of 206,206 prisoners and deaths of 31,951. Crematoria were constructed to dispose of the deceased.

Source - Wikipedia

In the twelve years of its existence over 200.000 persons from all over Europe were imprisoned here and in the numerous subsidiary camps

Source - https://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/index-e.html

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/dachau.html


Note that when death tolls are sought for Dachau the info gets a bit thin. One site says 31,000 died but most sites don't give a figure. They all seem to agree on the number of living inmates on liberation at about 32,000.

BergenBelsen-DrKlein.GIF
Mass grave at Bergen Belsen. Note how large this excavation is for a few thousand bodies and compare that to claims of graves at Treblinka for a claimed 800,000+++ bodies.
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Thus for these three camps the approximate death toll was a gross 120,000 approx. Not all were jews of course.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: The Known Death Totals at German Camps

Postby Sannhet » 2 years 10 months ago (Sun May 07, 2017 11:56 pm)

borjastick wrote:Buchenwald

I'm sure you will agree there is an inherent problem with presenting 'a number.' As Hegwood wrote elsewhere here at CODOH-Forum: "The preservation of the lie is accomplished by presenting it as a mish-mash of place names and horror stories without ever connecting them."

Allow me to try connecting some dots (not that this hasn't been done before many times):

    Deaths at Buchenwald by Year (all causes), acc. to official records by Buchenwald Camp records [Source:]
    1937 - 48
    1938 - 771
    1939 - 1,235
    1940 - 1,772
    1941 - 1,522
    1942 - 2,898
    1943 - 3,516
    1944 - 8,644 (Note: of which 388 killed by an Allied air raid)
    January to March 1945 - 13,056
    March to April 11, 1945 - 913
    Total 34,375
238,980 was the total number of inmates (not all at the same time). It seems bad to hear that 34,000 inmates died at Buchenwald. (I do not know the origin for their claim of ten thousand or more who 'were executed immediately,' to round out the estimate of 43,000 total dead [Britannica]. This seems undocumented in the German records.)

In context:
(1) Final Months' Collapse, not a 'Death Camp' Program. 40% of the deaths were in the final 100 days (January to April 11, 1945) of the camp's seven years and nine months' operation (July 1937 to April 11, 1945). The clear majority in the final six months of the war. Conditions fell apart in the final months, as we all know. This is why some of the inmates who were liberated were so malnourished. (The 'mish-mashers' will have you believe that they were deliberately starved in an extermination program, which I think many or most Holocaust-indoctrinated Westerners do vaguely believe, but is not part of the official story at all; those 'pictures of piles of malnourished bodies' is the best evidence most people have ever seen for the Big H.)

(2) Comparison to the Natural Death Rate. Records show something around 5% of Buchenwald inmates died from 1937 through summer 1944; then from fall 1944, winter 1944-1945, and spring 1945, many began to die. I don't have crude death rate statistics for Germany in the 1930s and 1940s on hand. I do have them for the U.S. in the early 1950s: 19.1 per 1,000 population. In other words, 1.9% of all people died in a given year. (Today the rate is 0.8% in the USA). Obviously, these are mainly older people and people with various ailments; the point is, some percent could be expected to die anyway, and some of the inmates imprisoned by the Nazis in Buchenwald may have already been elderly or ill (one class of prisoner is said to be homosexuals, who may have died early due to venereal disease, for example). Not knowing the prisoners' age profile or 'pre-existing' health conditions, I have to guess and conclude that five percent probably was excessive and reflected the harsh conditions in the camp, but nothing like the genocidal conditions alleged, and also a lot better than the gulags of the time.

(3) Comparable Losses to the Germans: The final death Buchenwald toll after the late-war collapse constituted 14.4% of those who had ever been imprisoned there, acc. to the meticulous official records. I would point out that a similar percentage of Germans (civilian and military) died early deaths in the 1940s, among other nationalities of central and eastern Europe swept up by the war and by the communist deluge.

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Re: The Known Death Totals at German Camps

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 1 week ago (Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:46 pm)

Posting some graphs...

The death stats at Dachau are well illustrated in this graph, which is part of Exhibit 8.3 in the Permanent Exhibition:
dachau-death-rate.jpg
Death rate in the Dachau concentration camp
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From: http://web.archive.org/web/201907220130 ... _03_07.PDF

Another graph:
dachau-deaths-per-month-1940-1945.png
Graph of deaths per month for the Dachau concentration camp, 1940 to 1945, showing a dramatic increase in late 1944 due to allied carpet bombing
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And:
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A table:
dachau-death-table.jpg
This, chart reprinted from page 281 of Berben’s “Dachau,” illustrates some interesting facts. Note that the death rate in Dachau fell slightly in 1942. In 1943 the death rate fell almost 50 per cent. In 1943 the death rate was at an all-time low, yet according to “exterminationist theory” the “final solution” should have been in full swing. In 1944, with the reappearance of typhus in the camp, deaths rose dramatically. Note that 66 per cent of all deaths at Dachau took place in the last seven months. It should also be noted that in the winter months of 1942-43 another typhus outbreak hit the camp. There is also an unusually high number of deaths for March 1944, due to Allied bombings of Kommandos which resulted in the deaths of 223 prisoners.
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From: https://archive.is/bk9jv



Death stats from Bergen-Belsen:
bergen-belsen-death-rate.jpg
"The dead of Bergen-Belsen in the last months of the war"
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From: https://archive.is/x2vqB

Also post-liberation Bergen-Belsen:
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From: The RAMC at Belsen 1945: typhus revisited. http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/jramc-2015-000416




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Documented deaths in German concentration camps
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From:
Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis - W. Benz and W. N. Sanning - A Comparison (Germar Rudolf)
https://codoh.com/library/document/930/
Discussion thread: viewtopic.php?t=11031

Germar Rudolf wrote:A summary from January 1, 1993 documents 296,081 deaths. The distribution of these deaths among the individual camps is shown in the accompanying table. Jews probably constitute about half of the total. One must keep in mind, however, that these cases are not all. The camps Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka are missing from the table, as are the victims in the ghettos. And finally, one must remember that according to the Death Books approximately 66,000 people died in Auschwitz by late 1943 alone,[106] and that the Americans mentioned 25,000 dead in the concentration camp Dachau during the war.[107] A realistic estimate of the actual number of victims, therefore, may be twice as high as the total of victims registered by name in the records at Arolsen. The number of victims registered by name is now said to be about 450,000.[108] Doubtless the greater part of these are Jews, but exact figures are as yet unknown.




More on Majdanek specifically:

On the Revision of the Number of Victims at Majdanek
https://codoh.com/library/document/965/

Juergen Graf wrote:The number of revisionist Carlo Mattogno: 42,200 victims (1998)

In the summer of 1997, I conducted together with the Italian scholar Carlo Mattogno a research trip through Eastern Europe, starting in Lublin. Based on documents discovered in the archives of the Majdanek Memorial and of the Lublin Voivodship, on the official Polish literature on Majdanek, and on other sources, upon our return we published a book entitled KL Majdanek. Eine historische und technische Studie (Concentration Camp Majdanek: an Historical and Technical Inquiry) in German in 1998 and in English five years later, whose ambitious claim it was that of being the first ever work written about the Lublin Camp that satisfies scientific requirements.[11] In the book's fourth chapter the number of victims was calculated by Mattogno, who, in the light of the incomplete nature of the documentation, could naturally make no claim to absolutely exact figures. His numbers are given below, broken down by years:

1941 (October – December): about 700
1942: 17,244
1943: 22,339
1944 (January- July): about 1,900
Total: about 42,200

Mattogno made no attempt to determine the percentage of Jewish prisoners among his calculated 42,200 deaths


Also:

Concentration camp Majdanek, A historical and technical study (chapter 4: Mortality)
PDF: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/05-ccm.pdf
TXT: https://archive.is/zT3e4#selection-2131 ... 131.175095
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Re: The Known Death Totals at German Camps

Postby Lamprecht » 4 months 1 week ago (Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:36 pm)

On Auschwitz, from:
Auschwitz death records: alleged fake causes of death for those executed, mainly "heart failure"
viewtopic.php?t=12865
Total Jewish deaths by natural causes (other than typhus), 1941-1944:
2,064

Death by natural causes (other than typhus), 1940-1944
4,354

Total Jewish deaths by typhus in Auschwitz, 1942-1944:
58,331

Total deaths by typhus in Auschwitz, 1941-1944
103,429

Total number of Jews transferred from Auschwitz, 1941-1944:
100,743

Total number of inmates executed: 1616

Total Poles executed: 1465
Total Jews executed: 114
Total Russians executed: 11
Total Gypsies executed: 20
Total Czechs executed: 6
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