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Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Wagner » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:40 am)

Just wanted to know. I personally think it is frustrating and dehumanizing for silencing people for their beliefs. Even if the views are non pleasant to the ear. What do you guys think is there any hope in the future, where the Holocaust hate crime laws etc. would be decriminalized or infringed. Where people finally would be able to go to the actual camps do the research and find out what actually happened without being in fear of being prosecuted or retaliated by the state?
I don't know what you guys think?

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Hektor » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:08 pm)

Possibility for sure, but my expectation is that the criminalization of undesired ideas as well as the persecution of people publishing them, will become more stringent and absurd over time.

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Proofs please » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:43 pm)

As soon as no one is alive who knew anyone who was alive during the war, there will no longer be anyone to get offended. We have all the information we need to write a true narrative, and thanks to the internet, there is now way to delete the archives, or stop people talking about it freely. More and more people are getting redpilled wherever free speech survives. Whether it's 10 years, a hundred, or a thousand, people will eventually be able to look at the evidence objectively. It's up to the people to preserve it till then.
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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Hektor » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:23 pm)

Proofs please wrote:As soon as no one is alive who knew anyone who was alive during the war, there will no longer be anyone to get offended. We have all the information we need to write a true narrative, and thanks to the internet, there is now way to delete the archives, or stop people talking about it freely. More and more people are getting redpilled wherever free speech survives. Whether it's 10 years, a hundred, or a thousand, people will eventually be able to look at the evidence objectively. It's up to the people to preserve it till then.


I don't think this suppression of information, does have anything to do with "people getting offended". Of course that will be played up. But one should not underestimate the actual reasons why certain opinions get prosecuted. And that's because there is a vested interest in the Holocaust narrative by those that benefited from it in some way. They either cemented or gained power after world war two and they can't just go and allow for views to be disseminated, when they contradict their narrative in an essential way.

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Wagner » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:30 pm)

I don't think this suppression of information, does have anything to do with "people getting offended". Of course that will be played up. But one should not underestimate the actual reasons why certain opinions get prosecuted. And that's because there is a vested interest in the Holocaust narrative by those that benefited from it in some way. They either cemented or gained power after world war two and they can't just go and allow for views to be disseminated, when they contradict their narrative in an essential way.



Good point.

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby cold beer » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:37 pm)

If I had to wager on the first country to reverse these anti free speech laws I'd put my money on Poland.

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby hermod » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:51 pm)

Wagner wrote:Just wanted to know. I personally think it is frustrating and dehumanizing for silencing people for their beliefs. Even if the views are non pleasant to the ear. What do you guys think is there any hope in the future, where the Holocaust hate crime laws etc. would be decriminalized or infringed. Where people finally would be able to go to the actual camps do the research and find out what actually happened without being in fear of being prosecuted or retaliated by the state? I don't know what you guys think?


IMO, very probably not. The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled in 2003 that the findings of Holocaust revisionists are not beliefs but "one of the most severe forms of racial defamation and of incitement to hatred of Jews" and even "a serious threat to public order." The ECHR unambiguously stated that Holocaust revisionism is "incompatible with democracy and human rights" and that its expression cannot be regarded as a use of freedom of speech and protected as a right accordingly.


EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS

7.7.2003

INADMISSIBILITY DECISION IN THE CASE OF GARAUDY v. FRANCE


With regard to Mr Garaudy’s convictions for disputing the existence of crimes against humanity, the Court referred to Article 17 (prohibition of abuse of rights), which was intended to prevent people from inferring from the Convention any right to engage in activities or perform acts aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth in the Convention. Thus, no one could rely on the Convention as a basis for engaging in any act that was contrary to its provisions. Having analysed the book concerned, the Court found that, as the domestic courts had shown, the applicant had adopted revisionist theories and systematically disputed the existence of the crimes against humanity which the Nazis had committed against the Jewish community. There could be no doubt that disputing the existence of clearly established historical events, such as the Holocaust, did not constitute historical research akin to a quest for the truth. The real purpose of such a work was to rehabilitate the National-Socialist regime and, as a consequence, to accuse the victims of the Holocaust of falsifying history. Disputing the existence of crimes against humanity was, therefore, one of the most severe forms of racial defamation and of incitement to hatred of Jews. The denial or rewriting of this type of historical fact undermined the values on which the fight against racism and anti-Semitism was based and constituted a serious threat to public order. It was incompatible with democracy and human rights and its proponents indisputably had designs that fell into the category of prohibited aims under Article 17 of the Convention. The Court found that, since the applicant’s book, taken as a whole, displayed a marked tendency to revisionism, it ran counter to the fundamental values of the Convention, namely justice and peace. The applicant had sought to deflect Article 10 of the Convention from its intended purpose by using his right to freedom of expression to fulfil ends that were contrary to the Convention. Consequently, the Court held that he could not rely on Article 10 and declared his complaint incompatible with the Convention.
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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Wagner » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:20 pm)

cold beer wrote:If I had to wager on the first country to reverse these anti free speech laws I'd put my money on Poland.




Yeah the Auschwitz the mother of Holocoastianity

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby borjastick » 2 years 7 months ago (Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:15 am)

Proofs please wrote:As soon as no one is alive who knew anyone who was alive during the war, there will no longer be anyone to get offended. We have all the information we need to write a true narrative, and thanks to the internet, there is now way to delete the archives, or stop people talking about it freely. More and more people are getting redpilled wherever free speech survives. Whether it's 10 years, a hundred, or a thousand, people will eventually be able to look at the evidence objectively. It's up to the people to preserve it till then.


The holocaust industry is very well skilled at changing and altering its shape and content due to the passage of time and environmental factors coming into play. One of the big ones is the impending death of the last claimed survivor. They have had plenty of time to plan the strategy of the PR plan and amazingly came up with the idea that the children of holocaust survivors are themselves victims because they have inherited the pain of their parents. It was all over the media...https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... rens-genes

Once the actual claimed survivors are all dead their children will start to give talks around the education industry, brainwashing children with talks like 'My parents were Holocaust victims'.

The short answer to the original question of this thread is NO.
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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Pia Kahn » 2 years 7 months ago (Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:35 am)

I think there is a slight tendency in the German case law on Holocaust denial laws to allow for more free speech. The Term denial is interpreted to mean disavowing or disputing the Holocaust, whereas doubting or questioning is Not interpreted to be denial. This May have Opened a tiny door for free speech. But it is still a Long Long way until the topic can be discussed openly. Eventually, These laws will be abolished. It is just a matter of time.
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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Atigun » 2 years 7 months ago (Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:31 am)

I think the holyhoax lie will eventually go the way of geocentric beliefs when the evidence against the holyhoax becomes obviously overwhelming to the majority of people. The rabbis, like the priests, will fight it to the point of absurdity. Lots more people will have to (figuratively) be burned at the stake before that sick tale is finally dropped.

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby CWhite » 2 years 7 months ago (Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:52 am)

Wagner wrote:Just wanted to know. I personally think it is frustrating and dehumanizing for silencing people for their beliefs... I don't know what you guys think?


I don't think people are being persecuted for their "beliefs" per se, but rather for being non-believers.

The holyhoax is a religion, and the weak-minded and intolerant science denying true-believers cannot stand those who publicly express skepticism of their delusional beliefs.

It truly is a modern day inquisition.

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Re: Is there any possibility where anti-revisionist laws will be decriminalized?

Postby Depth Charge » 2 years 7 months ago (Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:29 pm)

They're not going to abandon these laws, because this would be tantamount to 'denial' or at least admitting that something is wrong. At best, they may at some point relax on them and simply stop enforcing them. But renouncing them in this all-or-nothing game is not going to happen, it would be letting a genie out of a bottle and place the status quo in an extremely dangerous position.

Not only Zionists rely on these laws. It's a defining pillar or EU misrule.


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