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Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby borjastick » 2 years 6 months ago (Thu May 04, 2017 5:51 am)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9906771/Nazis-may-have-killed-up-to-20m-claims-shocking-new-Holocaust-study.html

And here we go again.....

An new holocaust study, isn't there a new one every other day, and always claiming more deaths, more atrocities and more reasons for Germans and the world to pay the jews more money.

The millions disappeared into a Nazi imprisonment and killing machine that covered a bloody swathe of Europe and appears to have been far more deadly than has been thought.

Up until now, the Holocaust is thought to have consumed between five and six million Jews, with an estimated further six million other people also murdered by the Nazi regime.

The new figures of 15 to 20 million, which have astonished some Holocaust historians, come after thirteen years of painstaking study at Washington's Holocaust Memorial Museum. Historians at the museum brought together and studied the huge amount, and often disparate, files and research on the Holocaust.

"The results of our research are shocking," Geoffrey Megargee, the director of the study, told The Independent newspaper. "We are putting together numbers that no one ever compiled before, even for camp systems that have been fairly well researched - and many of them have not been."

While Auschwitz and the Warsaw Ghetto became infamous names linked to the system of mass killing, the museum found that they were just part of a extensive network that imprisoned and obliterated millions of lives.


As I have said on this story elsewhere if a jew was in an address before the war and not there after the war he was counted as a victim, regardless of truth or where he may actually have turned up -New York, Tel Aviv, Toronto, Miami.

So how do they get to this figure one might reasonably ask? Very simple.

If Schlomo was sent to Treblinka and then into the Russian hinterland but went via a local transit camp and then three of four other camps he would, by this new study, be counted at each camp and that's how 500,000 become 15m!
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Re: Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby hermod » 2 years 6 months ago (Thu May 04, 2017 10:21 am)

Only 3 months ago, the advocates of the Holofraud finally admitted that the official number of 5 million non-Jews supposedly killed in the 'Holocaust' was a politically-motivated lie and a grossly inflated groundless number. How would a normal people have reacted to that? By lowering the official number of alleged non-Jewish Holocaust victims up to 2 or 3 million, of course, in order to try to save a semblance of credibility for their crazy allegations. But Jews are not a normal people and they spontaneously react to such a thing by increasing the number of alleged non-Jewish Holocaust victims up to 9 or 14 million victims, i.e. by making their untenable too big lie even bigger !! Incredible shameless liars !!!

‘Remember the 11 million’? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians

January 31, 2017

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The “5 million” has driven Holocaust historians to distraction ever since Wiesenthal started to peddle it in the 1970s. Wiesenthal told the Washington Post in 1979, “I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about 6 million Jewish dead, but rather about 11 million civilians dead, including 6 million Jews.”

Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.

I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”

Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.

It caught on: President Jimmy Carter, issuing the executive order that would establish the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, referred to the “11 million victims of the Holocaust.”

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the number of non-Jews who died in the concentration camps is no more than half a million, Bauer said.

http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians
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Re: Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby Sannhet » 2 years 6 months ago (Thu May 04, 2017 10:28 am)

What is the new evidence?

Or is this just well-funded and politically correct guesswork?

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Re: Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby Hannover » 2 years 6 months ago (Thu May 04, 2017 2:26 pm)

I'm shocked!
A 'museum' / theme park which already drags in tons of US taxpayers money and an enterprise which is rightly called 'The Holocaust Industry', now conjures up more lies to keep the cash flowing.

Their strategy is generally called 'doubling down', another form of bluffing.

The Big Problem:
Where are the alleged huge mass graves?

The Industry was talking about an alleged & impossible '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000, yet now they increase their bluff to "20,000,000".

However, there is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claims of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, or even the 35,000 alleged at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim these graves still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

What do we see? Nothing.

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Re: Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby Hektor » 2 years 6 months ago (Thu May 04, 2017 3:50 pm)

Why not 20 billion? Oh yes, then the whole numbers scam would be too obvious.

Still, it's quite easy to throw around made up figures, when nobody can or dares to fact-check quantitative claims.

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Re: Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby cold beer » 2 years 6 months ago (Fri May 05, 2017 6:27 am)

But the jews knew exactly how many of their tribe were exterminated before the war ended!
Are we to assume that Hitler assigned a group of germans to keep the jew related files in a small managable pile while the rest of the extermination files were buried in millions of tons of paperwork?

13 years of digging through files to reach a number of 20 million even though their top historians have admitted there isn't a single document ever found that relates to an extermination program.

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Re: Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby hermod » 2 years 6 months ago (Fri May 05, 2017 9:44 am)

Aren't they just playing on their own ambiguous definition of the word "Holocaust"? Don't they only mean that between 15 and 20 million people were displaced, discriminated against, incarcerated and/or forced to work (including the "STO" in France and similar labor conscriptions in the other German-occupied countries) by the Nazis during WW2? They should be asked what kind of 'Holocaust' they're talking about...
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Re: Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study

Postby Sannhet » 2 years 6 months ago (Fri May 05, 2017 8:35 pm)

hermod wrote:Aren't they just playing on their own ambiguous definition of the word "Holocaust"? [....] They should be asked what kind of 'Holocaust' they're talking about...

Are any of the German-Christian noncombatants who died in the 1940s included in the total of persons Holocausted?


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