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Re: I'm Denierbud, hi.

Postby Hektor » 1 year 9 months ago (Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:08 am)

Hannover wrote:Hektor said:
From our side, we should
1.) Do the fundamental research on facts relating to that matter.
2.) Create documentaries and publications that make those facts known to a wider arguments.

I believe you meant to put 'Continue to' at the beginning of each of those.
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That's exactly what I meant. It's an art, one can get better with practice. Unfortunately I lack the means of producing documentaries. But to my credit I can say that I have contributed by spreading access to such documentaries, literature an documents. I'd estimate that it has reached 10.000s of people until now. This will have caused some cracks. Personally I think that debate with people open to alternative points of views is more effective though. It's time consuming, but it, if you are talking to the right people it changes something.

Denierbud's videos had the right tone, not being too polemical, but well-spoken and hence more convincing to an unbiased audience. Of course you get hardcore believers that will stick to the prescribed narrative, no matter what facts and arguments they are confronted with. They pull out some testimony thinking that supposed eyewitness testimony is the most compelling evidence. They confuse persuasiveness with strength of evidence, which isn't the same.

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Re: I'm Denierbud, hi.

Postby Revisionist » 1 year 9 months ago (Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:44 am)

Denierbud's videos had the right tone, not being too polemical, but well-spoken and hence more convincing to an unbiased audience.

I agree with that. I love the practical approach of Bud's videos which appealed a lot to the common sense. This also the reason why I'm glad of his return.

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Re: I'm Denierbud, hi.

Postby Bonesy » 1 year 9 months ago (Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:05 pm)

Hello "DenierBud"/"Mike Smith"/"Dean Irebod"/"Budly" (now CCS),

I plan to come out with real name, face, whole 9 yards at some point, hopefully soon.

The hoax isn't breaking fast enough, and time is of the essence. That's why I want to come out of anonymity.

My advice? Don't. Doxxing isn't what you want to do to yourself, nor does it help the situation.

I really don't know what you're hoping to gain by doing so. By all means make a return to producing your videos, but keep publishing under the pen name. Denierbud is already a known name, just keep that alias.

Otherwise, I wanted to say that I enjoyed all of your productions and am happy to see your return. :cheers:

Will you be relaunching your original website?
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Re: I'm Denierbud, hi.

Postby Elroy » 1 year 9 months ago (Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:23 am)

I am in agree with Bones..

Don't come out- it will greatly harm you and the cause.

As a further point- I consider the "faceless" presentations replete with text analysis on screen, diagram's, imagery, documents and film footage utterly superior to the "face up" method.

Practically everyone does imo- your formula is what completely convinces anybody who watches it whether they admit it or not- the conversion rate is 100%.

I just think that Auschwitz deserved a full presentation like Reinhardt got- there's nothing wrong with 4hrs- we aren't talking about theatre films here- these are the most devastating studies in history undertaken- the collapse of the modern eras poison for the human mind.

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Re: I'm Denierbud, hi.

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 year 9 months ago (Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:15 pm)

Hi, sorry it took so long to respond. Work is kicking my a—. I responded to Borjastick, Elroy, Hieldner, Hektor, Flimflam, Hannover, Pia Kahn, Revisionist, Kingfisher, Jurgen, and DissentingOpinions.

Borjastick wrote:
What many us would like to know of course is who was the voice over. You? Another or was it a normal voice put through a voice recorder thingymagig?


My voice.
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Elroy wrote:
1. Utterly superb work. As we have been discussing- Dumb Portrayal of Evil serves for me anyway as the film that "breaks the spell" (if you can get people to watch it that is)

Thanks Elroy! I love that video too and that’s the style I’d like to make more videos in. Where I get into abstract ideas that extrapolate from the myth, like “people falling for myths that justify war.” That’s a concept! But one thing that that comes to mind when I look at it now, is when you debunk a story, it doesn’t flow so well. Rather, one needs to tell the true story in contrast to the fake story, and not just debunk the fake story. Maybe I did that to some extent but would like to do more of “what really happened.”

2. Would it be possible to be given a file copy of "Dumb Portrayal of Evil" complete and with the sound in sync???

Heck yes. Glad you want a copy!
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Hi Denierbud! I didn’t know you were on this forum and always asked myself if you would continue your work in the time since I saw your videos. They really helped me getting into revisionism, excellent work. Great to hear you want to do some more.

Thanks Hieldner, I made those videos for people like you, for the very reasons you said, so it makes me happy to hear that!
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Hektor wrote
Yes, those videos were excellent work. It went into the history of the emergence of the Holocaust Myth, by showing the influence of psychological warfare and propaganda. And Denierbud took a perspective from another angle, which I think wasn't covered by Revisionists until then.

I Would like to contribute to any new work, if that's possible.

Thanks Hektor, it was fun discovering Billy Wilder in that Buchenwald footage, and then reading Cameron Crowe’s (Fast Times At Ridgemont High) book on Billy Wilder where Billy Wilder says he was never at Buchenwald. I’m still interested in all this and want to take it further.

I’ll send a private message about contributing. Thanks.
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1. Wow. The face behind the mysterious voice ! I can't wait. Your vids played a major role in my learning about the hoax. I was at Berkeley at the time and retraced your steps in the Cal library. Bought a copy of Wiernik. I have a long list of quotes from the book .... e.g.

"However 'freedom or death' was our motto. In the meantime I completed the construction of the blockhouse. To celebrate the occasion, the 'Hauptsturmfuehrer' treated us to rum and sausage."

2. You need a GoFundMe page.

Thanks Flimflam! You were at Berkeley at the time? What did you study? It was weird being in that library because there was all this “Free Speech” this and that. The entrance to the library was right next to the “Free Speech Café” so ironic since when I tried to take a $1000 dollar ad in the school newspaper, The Daily Californian, advertising my video, a small ad to have run all summer, it ran for 2 days and then got pulled and the subsequent brouhaha and infighting that Bradley Smith helped me with, since that’s one of the big things that he did (put ads in college newspapers) made this issue drag out behind the scenes which we eventually lost and the ad never ran. I changed the ad to simply ask for rebuttals, which I planned post unedited on my website. They wouldn’t run it. And it was odd because there was the editor and asst. editor but behind them there was this alumni advisor, who was considerably older than them, who took the lead in denying me and influencing them to turn the ad down. I talked to her on the phone once and knew her name, and I’m fairly positive she was Jewish. She had power behind the scenes, but I think she was barely on the masthead if at all.

Did you see the Wiernik copy there? That was important for me to find that. Little did I know at the time that the address of the publisher, was same as the Jewish Forward newspaper building. I think it was someone at CODOH forum that pointed that out. And there’s more to the Weirnik story, that I’d like to tell someday.
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Hannover wrote:
Your work is part of the foundation of Revisionist research and free speech activism. I and many others rely on it as a prime go-to resource which obliterates so many of the unsustainable 'holocaust' lies.
We owe you a debt of gratitude.
Keep it coming my old friend.

Thank you my old friend. When I was a “baby denier” 15 years ago, who gave me strength and ideas via my reading of your cogent posts? You.
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your videos impressed me immensely. They are extremely valuable for revisionism.

I was really struck when you pointed out how psychological warfare works, the psy-ops.... This was a completely new aspect of revisionism.


Thanks. I’m still totally interested in that angle of the lie.
I always wondered why you never even mentioned the chemical evidence in your Auschwitz video.

I want to redo it and I think I’d put it in. It could be there were some details that made it too complex for video, but I might still put it in. I can’t believe I didn’t even put in the 4 mil Auschwitz sign in that video.
I always wished someone could popularize the valuable information churned out in Carlo Mattogno's countless books. Mattogno does great scholarly work, but it is very tedious to read his books.

I relate to the way Mattogno thinks and his take on the whole myth . “Treblinka” by Mattogno and and Graf is very readable to me, and I use his books frequently for reference when I make videos, as well as Germar’s work and other revisionists, and codoh forum of course!
Then, I think it's time to tackle the holocaust with a bit of humor. As soon as Juergen Graf's book about the eye witness testimony of Auschwitz is published in English, a bunch of crazy stories could be turned into a persiflage. When people start to laugh about something they no longer fear it and many people fear the holocaust.

“Persiflage.” nice word. I just looked it up. I’ve thought about this alot, and had an ill-fated attempt to do that with an “Auschwitz The Comedy video” which is hopefully forgotten and not posted anymore. I didn’t like lowering myself to the jokes I told. I wish I hadn’t made it. Because, yes, I’m trying to break the myth and had hoped comedy would help a video go mainstream. But when you see comedy shed light on a false belief, I think usually that false belief is already somewhat debunked by a significant section of society already. Or already a fait accompli. Having said that, Eric Hunt’s publicizing of Irene Zisblatt engendered a wry humor that reached a lot of people; to the point where I was once talking to two people where I live and one of them mentioned “the woman in a camp who ate diamonds”. These two people don’t know what I do, and I didn’t bring up the subject in any way. I was floored. …Lastly, when Eric Hunt became a believer, he saw people like Zisblatt as cherry picking. Finding one bad story to debunk the whole thing. The whacky stories don’t necessarily lead to a good understanding of the myth. So I’m not sure how I feel about wry humor/persiflage in this. I think if the myth was more broken, comedy might work better. I think at this stage of the solidness of the myth, the more apt emotion is to feel “red pilled” than to feel humor.
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Hi Revisionist:
I actually knew it was you behind this account, but it still want to give out my gratitude to you. One third of the holocaust was the critical video to change my beliefs. Your videos are still shared on the Internet if someone wants to convince people of revisionism. I also like your writing contribution and I always had the impression you knew how to do proper research.

Yes the "bad design" angel is insensitive and may put off viewers to your arguments. But I didn't mind it that much.
The Auschwitz video is missing a lot: Krema I, IV and V, the bunkers and the hole issue. Perhaps you could also put the Hoess confessions in a remake since Castle Hill published a new book covering him from Mattogno.

I was pleased of your announcement since I always thought "One third of the Holocaust" should be remade in HD. Not only for video quality but also a lot of things happened like Carolina Sturdy colls archaeology study.

Thanks! I’d like to redo One Third. I found Hunt’s treatment of the Star of David tiles interesting, and I’d like to do something with that topic. But the footage I took then can never be HD because of the camera I used then. New footage could be.

The Hoess confessions in my Auschwitz video could be good...Thanks. I want to get my writing stuff back up. The Stroop Report Forgery, among other articles.
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Hi Borjastick,
I'm a bit confused at this stage as to why CCS would want to put himself in a degree of danger by revealing his identity. If he is like most of us, just normal Joe public, then I don't see any advantage to him or the cause. If, however, he is well known or famous even, or in a high profile job which would result in large amounts of publicity concerning the lies of the holohoax, then maybe just maybe.

What's clear is the man isn't stupid so he must have thought this through very well. He'll no doubt reveal all in due course but his announcement of new fresh work is excitement enough as it is. Power to his elbow I say.

I think you can make a better video if you can put yourself talking in it. That’s the main reason. I’m not well-known or famous and don’t have a high profile job. I’m worried as to what might happen to me once my identity is known, but also not thrilled with my current existence either. If I’m not thrilled with my current life, why not bust a risky move to help our people? Knowing the holocaust is a myth = knowing how much damage the holocaust myth does to our people.
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Hi Kingfisher:
Whatever your choice Bud, I wish you well, but consider it very carefully. Once your cover is blown there's no going back. Job, family, friends, exposure to personal attack, verbal and possibly even physical. I'm retired so no job risk but I still don't want my grown-up kids to get labelled by association (we have a very recognisable surname) so I stay anonymous.

Consider what happened to Eric Hunt and Black Rabbit. I don't believe either of them were actually turncoats. They were heavily leaned on.

How can we contact you to offer financial support for your work? Last time I did this it was via your YouTube account and I sent it via Bradley Smith.

Yeah, I’ll do it. If one sacrifices oneself to help one’s people. I’m a good candidate, though I don’t love that word “candidate” since it’s so tied in with “Manchurian candidate.” LOL. It just feels like something I’ve got to do. There’s an inner spiritual something. I can’t articulate it well and any description might not be quite right. Just to say there’s an inner spiritual something. It reminds me of when that English Methodist founder, John Wesley felt his “heart strangely warmed.” There is a spiritual component to saving our people from an epic, insidious C.S. Lewis-ian type lie. And I'm saying that as an atheist!

I’ll send a private message regarding financial support.

Lastly, I know how bad it might go. Vincent Reynouard comes to mind. There’s that Polish revisionist scholar who they found dead in a car a several years ago. Going back further there was François Duprat, killed by a bomb (and his wife maimed) who held a lot of intellectual promise and could have helped us for decades. There’s Faurisson getting beat up; a bomb sent to Zundel’s home. David Cole getting beat up. And many more people, but I’ll stop here.
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Hannover wrote:
Both Hunt & Rabbit reside in European countries where repression of free speech is utterly totalitarian. A big differance than the USA. We still have the 1st Amendment, and of course their are other actions that can and are taken against anyone who goes up against Jews' profitable special interests.
However, CCS / DB, like the very openly revisionist, Germar Rudolf, is a smart man and no doubt knows what he is doing, no doubt he has thought it out.
And certainly there is a certain sense of freedom in giving them the finger and saying 'Here I am, now kiss my free speech ____'.

- Hannover

It’s almost like people must keep going into the open every decade, in hopes of breaking the myth. When is the right decade? This one? François Duprat fell in the 1970's. And maybe this decade isn’t right either but one has to hope it is. It’s an unknown of when is the right time, and if there will be a right time. Ie will the myth even break.
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One Third of the Holocaust is marvelous. Just so straight forward and convincing.

Thanks, that was a double life when I made that! No correspondence to other revisionists at all except for CODOH Forum. .. Gall I hope I can get back into that 'creating zone' again!
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Ditto what Jurgen said. The contributions you've made with your documentaries, and your essays, have been enormous. I remember when I first stumbled upon Holocaust revisionism, One Third was the first big video I came across. Being somebody who never really learned much about the Holocaust in school, I was surprised that your videos were labelled as hate speech. So I decided to watch One Third one week in my senior year of high school, and instead of finding it hateful, I found it compelling. That's how I eventually came to watching your other movies, and eventually reading the Holocaust Handbooks.

I always wondered if you'd come back, and I'm happy that you plan on it. Your documentaries are like dynamite to the myth. Cheers.

Thanks DissentingOpinions. I’m glad you watched it so early in your life, since a huge element of the holocaust myth is all the thinking that’s then built on the myth. There is a 2,500 year old word in Western culture: axiom or axioma in ancient Greek, I learned it as “postulate” in geometry, and what the ancient Greeks knew then is you start out with building blocks of truth, axioms, and build elaborately from there. Same as in geometry class. And the holocaust myth is a false axiom, that leads to weird building that's genocidal for us.

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Re: I'm Denierbud, hi.

Postby Dresden » 1 year 9 months ago (Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:26 pm)

Denierbud said:

"So I’m not sure how I feel about wry humor/persiflage in this"

I think you should have a little bit of humor in your videos ..... just a little bit here and there.

One of the funniest things I heard in your videos was in "Buchenwald: A Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil", when you said:

"And Valley girl doesn't count"

I really laughed at that one. :D
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 year 9 months ago (Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:31 pm)

Thanks Dresden, I think you're right. For one because the subject is so heavy to begin with. Plus comedy when unexpected can be quite funny. I don't want to offend Jews, and so inserting a short moment of comedy has to be done carefully, respectfully, but that example you gave doesn't offend anyone for instance.

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Postby Pia Kahn » 1 year 9 months ago (Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:27 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Thanks Dresden, I think you're right. For one because the subject is so heavy to begin with. Plus comedy when unexpected can be quite funny. I don't want to offend Jews, and so inserting a short moment of comedy has to be done carefully, respectfully, but that example you gave doesn't offend anyone for instance.


It's probably not the right approach to start off with humor. It is a quasi religious subject, so if your first line is a joke, then people may turn away.

But as soon as the listener starts to wonder and think and doubt, then you can intersperse some humor here and there.

Humor is very powerful because it creates a distance between the topic and yourself. People who laugh are no longer emotionally involved, they no longer identify with the holocaust. They can look at the topic from a distance and ask critical questions.

But, I agree. This is probably very difficult and has to be done carefully.
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Postby Hannover » 1 year 9 months ago (Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:22 am)

Pia Kahn wrote:
Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Thanks Dresden, I think you're right. For one because the subject is so heavy to begin with. Plus comedy when unexpected can be quite funny. I don't want to offend Jews, and so inserting a short moment of comedy has to be done carefully, respectfully, but that example you gave doesn't offend anyone for instance.


It's probably not the right approach to start off with humor. It is a quasi religious subject, so if your first line is a joke, then people may turn away.

But as soon as the listener starts to wonder and think and doubt, then you can intersperse some humor here and there.

Humor is very powerful because it creates a distance between the topic and yourself. People who laugh are no longer emotionally involved, they no longer identify with the holocaust. They can look at the topic from a distance and ask critical questions.

But, I agree. This is probably very difficult and has to be done carefully.

IMO:
By giving undeserved deference to a preposterous and hateful lie is to play right into the hands of those that profit from it.
Let them have it, straight & hard. They deserve no respect.

Good & innocent people have died, been imprisoned, beaten, slandered, and lost their employment because of this vile and destructive, racist, anti Euro-white Zionist scam.

Ridicule it, make jokes about it, do whatever you can.

The tide is turning thanks to brave men like DB / CCS.

- Hannover

"We can force through any lie. It just has to be big enough so that a normal person says, 'Well that cannot be a lie!'. Then the lie cannot be recognized as such. And the lie has to be repeated continuously. Then it is believed and is powerful because it is the belief in a 'truth.'"
- from 'Propaganda', by Zionist Jew Edward Bernays
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Postby flimflam » 1 year 9 months ago (Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:25 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Thanks Flimflam! You were at Berkeley at the time? What did you study?


I was a student at UC way back in the dark ages, studying math and comp. sci., I was in Berkeley around 2005 working at a place called Berkeley Process Control. I remember I think reading Wiernik, The Hoax of the Twentieth ..., and a computerized version of the Talmud in the Main Library. I thought Wiernik was such a remarkable collection of lies that I bought an original copy for $70.00.

It seems to me with Cole's video, your videos, and Hunt's videos, we already got the necessary vids, the trick is getting someone to watch them.

Also, I think the 'what really happened?' approach is almost admitting that it might have happened, like, it's plausible, it could have happened, but it didn't, here's what really happened. When the reality is that the whole thing is totally preposterous for any number of reasons, and so the relevant question is 'why do we believe?', and the answer is because of the massive unrelenting propaganda that is even now a constant part of our lives, coming from the govt., the news media, the entertainment sector and from academia. So, more is needed than telling what really happened, some way needs to found to overcome the constant propaganda which makes most people have a tremendous aversion to the topic which I have witnessed many times. Rivoli, ravioli?, Jim ... you know who I mean, just did a vid about trying to initiate conversations on topics like the JFK assassination, 9/11, other controversies, and the holohoax. Only discussing the holohoax will immediately get you, in his words, treated like trash and thrown out. It's absolutely true. I believe the key to the aversion is the horror propaganda centered on the photos of hoax victims and presented to everyone at a very early age.

I think something more than vids is needed. I think there needs to be some sort of organization. CODOH reading groups, something like that. If you're determined to come out, maybe you could head up such an organization. The idea would not be to read up on the hoax, but to do some sort of political or educational activism at the local level. Leafletting, picketing, posters, are all lame ploys for sure, but I can't think of anything better, and now we don't have anything.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 year 9 months ago (Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:24 pm)

Hi Pia: I never really thought of the 'distance' connection to comedy, but now that you mention it, I can see it. I remember in the 1980's Jay Leno's big thing was talking about stuff he'd see on t.v. be that t.v shows or advertisements, but somehow the comedy did create a distance, or looking at it from the outside. Or even step outside of the whole thing and not be spoon fed the message in the way the message was intended to be received. Beverly Hills Cop comes to mind also. And I know it's absurd to talk about this in relation to holocaust denial videos, but with that said, Beverly Hills Cop starts out serious, and then later the jokes happen if I remember.

Hi Hannover, Thanks. Yes, I agree. I have complete contempt for the lie. But it's just what would turn off a new viewer. There is a concept called "The Overton Window" which I didn't know about until recently which is all about when a message will 'shut someone down.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
I don't know how applicable it is for us with holocaust denial content because I think it's more about what a politician advocates in regard to the polarity of 'more freedom' and 'less freedom' but the 'shut down' part interested me.

Hi FlimFlam Shoot, we probably walked by each other in the library. That's when I was there. Those are all good ideas. I've sent out my videos on DVD to a lot of people as a private personal project, and I've also sent a flyer in the mail with a link to my videos, to maybe 150-300 key people. (Don't exactly remember) It was a fairly doable project. Maybe took a week. 150 envelopes is going fill up a table, so a bigger project than it might appear. But what interests me now is putting some videos on a flash drive. Taping the flash drive to a flyer, figuring out the postal charge, and sending that in the mail to key people. Ends up costing $2. a person?, and 200 people = $400. Very doable. I have no immediate plans. I wish someone would do it though. What I do have is some amazing lists of addresses of key people, which I can't disclose how I got, for fear they might shut it down. I have some amazing lists of key people.

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Re: I'm Denierbud, hi.

Postby Revisionist » 1 year 9 months ago (Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:14 pm)

Hi!

Thank you for your reply. I want to PM you my findings, which could improve your videos a lot. Maybe you know of them, but I will also include some thoughts.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 year 9 months ago (Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:13 pm)

Hi Revisionist: Please do.


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