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Re: The Yellow Stars and all those glasses, hair, & shoes

Postby Horhug » 3 days 17 hours ago (Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:49 am)

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The glasses are what trouble me.

The mountains of hair have a simple explanation - prevent typhus. Obviously the National Socialists cared about prisoner healthcare, as Mattogno goes into detail at length in "Healthcare at Auschwitz",

so why would they dispose of all the eyeglasses?

Many people, including myself, need them in everyday life - wouldn't this hinder the working ability of the prisoners who needed their eyeglasses to see properly?

It doesn't add up.



Human hair shaved from the inmates' heads was, as you rightly suggest, a sensible hygiene measure designed to assist with trying to control the many typhus epidemics in the labour camps.

Just like the advanced German technology, microwave delousing machine developed by Siemens-Schuckert.

High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n3p-4_Weber.html

In the Bletchley Park decrypts links posted above, we read that this human hair was used industrially. So nothing "secret" or nefarious about that whatsoever.

There was a war on. Germany was blockaded. Everything was in short supply and therefore held higher value than normal. Britain for example, was so short of iron and steel that metal street railings were ripped out & folk were handing in unwanted metal cookware for recycling as part of the war effort. Germany was no different.

What is it that "bothers you" about piles of glasses at, for example, Auschwitz ?

Pick any town with a population comparable to the population size of Auschwitz.

Count how many folk die in that town in 55 months, the period that Auschwitz was operational.

Count how many of those deceased towns-folk wore glasses ?

Now throw in persistent typhus epidemics, the poor state of health of the peasantry interned, many already infested with typhus, the poor sanitary, hygiene and food situation which was ordered to be reversed and was subsequently improved with some success, the disciplinary executions, the toll of work etc. etc.

People died in Auschwitz and elsewhere, just like they do everyday, everywhere.

Some of them wore spectacles.

What is the problem you are having seeing that ?

Maybe you need to ask yourself why the the "piles of shoes" images are used ?

When we know that the inmates' shoes were replaced by wooden clogs.

Why doesn't that "bother you" ?

Then ask yourself, how many folk have "died" in Palestine since the Nakba ?

How many of those wore glasses ?

Why do we not see piles of Afghan / Palestinian / Iraqi / Syrian spectacles and shoes ?

Or piles of spectacles and shoes from the millions who died in both World Wars ?



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Re: The Yellow Stars and all those glasses, hair, & shoes

Postby FJI » 3 days 14 hours ago (Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:06 am)

DissentingOpinions wrote:The glasses are what trouble me. The mountains of hair have a simple explanation - prevent typhus. Obviously the National Socialists cared about prisoner healthcare, as Mattogno goes into detail at length in "Healthcare at Auschwitz", so why would they dispose of all the eyeglasses? Many people, including myself, need them in everyday life - wouldn't this hinder the working ability of the prisoners who needed their eyeglasses to see properly? It doesn't add up.


Redistribution to the Wehrmacht/civilian population?

These would have been higher priorities than camp inmates who may well have been doing manual labour rather than detailed work.

We have no way of knowing whether those who really needed them were allowed to keep them.

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Re: The Yellow Stars and all those glasses, hair, shoes & gold teeth

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 3 days 7 hours ago (Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:21 pm)

Enough metal in wire rim glasses to be recycled? Maybe it wouldn't go with other metal because it was attached to glass?. Recycling drives can bolster civic cohesion in a community?

But the pile of glasses doesn't look like a pile of glasses. I wonder how that pile of glasses could ever be tested. I think there's a gizmo where you can find out the lense power by holding it up to the gizmo. Would there really be a variety of makes and models, and powers and bifocals? In this pile there are sections where there doesn't seem to be lenses at all. There are photo angles where every pair in a vicinity of the pile appears to be the same make. There's an odd 'mangled' component in other areas.

Could a Soviet factory have churned out a bunch of imitation glasses? A Potemkin village strategy for atrocities?

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Re: The Yellow Stars and all those glasses, hair, shoes & gold teeth

Postby Hektor » 2 days 9 hours ago (Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:39 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:...
Could a Soviet factory have churned out a bunch of imitation glasses? A Potemkin village strategy for atrocities?

...Or collected from the loot they took from civilians on their way westward?
A pile of glasses has ZERO probative value, but is very useful in innuendo tactics.

Of course one has to ask oneself, why use innuendo, if there was abundance of serious, hard evidence?

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Re: The Yellow Stars and all those glasses, hair, shoes & gold teeth

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 2 days 7 hours ago (Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:28 pm)

If these glasses come from Jews who were killed when they arrived, then why are these pairs of glasses not in fairly good shape?

I can only imagine the answers: To add insult to injury the Scharfuehrer mangled each pair as he tossed them into the bin. Except it would have been Jewish sonderkommando collecting them. If they were worth money, wouldn't the arms of the glasses have at least been folded? In the realm of reading glasses, other people can use them, since it's just magnification, which is why you can buy reading glasses without a prescription in the drugstore. So why not fold them?

The more I think about it, once Hannover put in my mind a reason to doubt it, is this is an NKVD Psych Warfare pile creation using the power, as Hektor mentioned, of 'innuendo.' And they did a poor job. Put even though they did a poor job, they did a good job, since that pile has fooled millions of people.

My thinking before this, was that it was a real pile, but didn't prove the holocaust.

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Re: The Yellow Stars and all those glasses, hair, shoes & gold teeth

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 2 days 5 hours ago (Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:18 pm)

If the Jews were tricked into believing they were being transported to a labor camp (but it was really a part-extermination camp) then why would they bring with them mangled glasses?


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