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Nizkorite Taubner

Postby Juan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:39 pm)

Funny, the german court stating their intention to "kill" (or it was, extirpate?) all jews, but condemning of the brutality against... jews

http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/peopl ... 43-verdict

1.) Wegen der Judenaktion als solcher soll der Angeklagte
nicht bestraft werden. Die Juden muessen vernichtet werden,
es ist um keinen der getoeteten Juden schade. Wenn sich auch
der Angeklagte haette sagen muessen, dass die Vernichtung der
Juden Aufgabe besonders hierfuer eingerichteter Kommandos
ist, soll ihm zugute gehalten werden, dass er sich befugt
gehalten haben mag, auch seinerseits an der Vernichtung
des Judentums teilzunehmen. Wirklicher Judenhass ist der
treibende Beweggrund fuer den Angeklagten gewesen. (...)


Nizkorite "translation":

1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against
the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the
Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should
have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of
Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should
be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take
part in the extermination of Jewry himself. Real hatred of the Jews
was the driving motivation for the accused. In the process he let
himself be drawn into committing cruel actions in Alexandriya which
are unworthy of a German man and an SS-officer. These excesses cannot
be justified, either, as the accused would like to, as retaliation
for the pain that the Jews have caused the German people. (...)


Could anybody confirm the authenticity of this veredict and give a better translation?



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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:26 pm)

It would seem the creators of the material for the 'Good Old Days' didn't quite have all their ducks in a row.

- On pages 196-207 they have alleged extracts from an SS court trial in 1943 involving a Max Taubner who was allegedly pardoned even though he was found guilty of allegedly killing Jews. There is no case number given, no reference to the location of the transcripts, nothing....simply text written by who knows who. There is a post at this bbs with claims a case number, but indeed in the book, none exists! I have the book.

- In the back of the book, in a list called 'biographical details', is written:
"Max Taubner, Aircraft engineer, joined NSDAP 1932 (expelled for unpunctual payment of membership dues and readmitted in 1937), joined SS January 1933. SS-Untersturmfuhrer in 1. Werkstattzug in Kommandostab RFSS-Nachschubfuhrer. Attempt to bring Taubner to trial after the war failed in 1960. Memmingen Landesgericht and the Munich Oberlandesgericht (Provincial High Court) refused to open the main trial on the grounds that the existence of a prior verdict by the SS court prohibited the carrying out of new criminal proceedings (although Taubner had neither been accused or judged for the murder of Jews). The Bundesgerichthof (Federal Court) upheld this decision on 24 May 1972 (2 ARs 80/72)."


- The book has a forward by Hugh Trevor Roper, the same Hugh Trevor Roper who 'authenticated' the infamous 'Hitler Diaries' which have been demonstrated to be forgeries.

The entire book is utter nonsense where unsubstantiations abound. They simply make up absurd claims and can't back up a single one. Read it and see.

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Postby grenadier » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:10 pm)

Hannover wrote:
It would seem the creators of the material for the 'Good Old Days' didn't quite have all their ducks in a row.


Yes, the book I have which discusses Täubner offers in notes references
to "Klee et al.". Sencondary sources at best, as usual.

Memmingen Landesgericht and the Munich Oberlandesgericht (Provincial High Court) refused to open the main trial on the grounds that the existence of a prior verdict by the SS court prohibited the carrying out of new criminal proceedings (although Taubner had neither been accused or judged for the murder of Jews).


Did the ss trial happen or not? Does anyone know more about this?
The insinuation in the text is that Täubner was convicted by this ss court
on grounds other than the mass murder of jews and so the german
courts in the 1960s or 70s could have brought him to trial again but
they just did not care to do it.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:59 pm)

We have the liars at Nizkor coming up with the absurd nonsense that Juan quoted, but the case against Taubner was so petty, that they couldn't even trump something up on him in 1960.

It's incredible how the stories simply self destruct with a little investigation. This is just too easy.

No wonder that judeo-supremacists demand that those who question the absurd tales be imprisoned; that's the only way the 'facts' can be maintained. Or I should say, the only way the scam can be kept going.

Revisionists are just the messengers, the ridiculous stories are the message.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:52 am)

Hannover mentions:
It would seem the creators of the material for the 'Good Old Days' didn't quite have all their ducks in a row.


Ah yes, the 'Good Old Days'. I would say this book is a stealth denier book put out by Germans to discredit the Holocaust story in that it has so many utter goofy testimonies. It appears to specialize in the most goofiest. Not only that but it has a number of photos showing people, who are said to be Jews, being mustered for execution with the parties involved being civilian partisans.

The 'Good Old Days' may be the best source for examples of what was testified to at those German trials held decades after the end of the war, which records are for the most part, if not the whole part, are not available to public access.

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Postby Germania » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:07 am)

Hannover wrote:It would seem the creators of the material for the 'Good Old Days' didn't quite have all their ducks in a row.

- On pages 196-207 they have alleged extracts from an SS court trial in 1943 involving a Max Taubner who was allegedly pardoned even though he was found guilty of allegedly killing Jews. There is no case number given, no reference to the location of the transcripts, nothing....simply text written by who knows who. There is a post at this bbs with claims a case number, but indeed in the book, none exists! I have the book.


Hello I found the following reply by a hoaxer elsewhere:

Here's a part of a scanned page from the book, giving the source of the Taeubner-related documents:


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The rest of the book is sourced in a similarly painstaking manner.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:45 am)

'Germania' refers to the above and the book it supposedly came from (The Good Old Days) as "sourced in a similarly painstaking manner", very odd indeed.

- I just love the authors' silly beginning, "SS secret verdict". Amazing, so secret that court transcripts were supposedly left behind.

- Where is a reference to Taubner with his case number? Where is a reference to Taubner?

- Why don't we see the real text to these 'verdicts'? We have no reason to believe any of them support the claims made. We have no reason to believe any of them are about Taubner.

- They claim access to damning SS court transcripts, but do not show them. What are they hiding?

- What photos were ordered burnt?
If SS Himmler ordered alleged incriminating photos burnt, then why would an SS court leave a record of him supposedly ordering it? They wouldn't. And where's the alleged orders?

- We see English text, but not the original German transcripts. Why?

- We do see reference to an informer who was supposedly executed, perfectly legal. No Taubner though.

'sourced in a painstaking manner', I don't think so. A jumbled mess of nonsense is more like it.

I stand by my statements.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:26 am)

Germania curiously avoided this:

- In the back of the book, in a list called 'biographical details', is written:
"Max Taubner, Aircraft engineer, joined NSDAP 1932 (expelled for unpunctual payment of membership dues and readmitted in 1937), joined SS January 1933. SS-Untersturmfuhrer in 1. Werkstattzug in Kommandostab RFSS-Nachschubfuhrer. Attempts to bring Taubner to trial after the war failed in 1960. Memmingen Landesgericht and the Munich Oberlandesgericht (Provincial High Court) refused to open the main trial on the grounds that the existence of a prior verdict by the SS court prohibited the carrying out of new criminal proceedings (although Taubner had neither been accused or judged for the murder of Jews). The Bundesgerichthof (Federal Court) upheld this decision on 24 May 1972 (2 ARs 80/72)."

'The Good Old Days', a real piece of work.

This is too easy.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:47 am)

Hannover wrote:- In the back of the book, in a list called 'biographical details', is written:
"Max Taubner, Aircraft engineer, joined NSDAP 1932 (expelled for unpunctual payment of membership dues and readmitted in 1937), joined SS January 1933. SS-Untersturmfuhrer in 1. Werkstattzug in Kommandostab RFSS-Nachschubfuhrer. Attempts to bring Taubner to trial after the war failed in 1960. Memmingen Landesgericht and the Munich Oberlandesgericht (Provincial High Court) refused to open the main trial on the grounds that the existence of a prior verdict by the SS court prohibited the carrying out of new criminal proceedings (although Taubner had neither been accused or judged for the murder of Jews). The Bundesgerichthof (Federal Court) upheld this decision on 24 May 1972 (2 ARs 80/72)."
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Hard to believe, they would have done this based on a SS verdict. Is there any material on the Taubner case on the net. I did not found something like a scan of the initial typed documents as to now.

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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:15 pm)

They are presently quibbling at alt.revision about the whereabouts of this "verdict":
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.re ... cc893e3e02

Lots of hair splitting about words :twisted: .


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