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‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby Lamprecht » 6 days 22 hours ago (Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:34 pm)

So, is questioning the Holocaust a crime now in the UK? Is simply saying that Jews were not gassed tantamount to "inciting hatred"?

Truth is hate for those that hate the truth

‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial

According to the Campaign Against Antisemitism organization, the decision sets a precedent that Holocaust denial is ‘grossly offensive’ and therefore illegal.

A notorious antisemite and Holocaust denier in the United Kingdom had her appeal against her conviction for Holocaust denial quashed by a Crown Court on Wednesday.

Alison Chabloz, a singer and blogger, posted a series of songs mocking Holocaust survivors and inciting hatred against Jews, including allegations that the Holocaust did not happen, accusing Jews of “usury,” describing Auschwitz as a “holy temple” and “theme park just for fools,” and claimed that the use of gas chambers by the Nazis to murder Jews was “a proven hoax.”

She also implicitly accused Jews of bleeding non-Jews dry, and controlling the media, books and TV, and set her songs to the music of Israeli folk songs Hevenu Shalom Aleichem and Hava Nagila.

During cross examination in her appeal hearing, Chabloz said that there are liars in all ethnicities but that “Jews are more likely to tell lies. In the Talmud, it’s even encouraged. In the verses. Lying is following religious duty.”

She said that “Jews are over-represented in banking, finance, the media,” that Jews control Twitter, and described herself as a “Holocaust revisionist,” claiming that only 600,000 Jews were murdered in the Holocaust.

The Campaign Against Antisemitism organization initiated legal proceedings against Chabloz over her YouTube songs as a private prosecution before it was taken over by the Crown Prosecution Service, the UK’s state prosecution service.

CAA said following the ruling that the decision to uphold the lower Magistrate Court’s conviction of Chabloz was “landmark precedent verdict on incitement on social media and on whether the law considers Holocaust denial to be “grossly offensive” and therefore illegal when used as a means by which to hound Jews.”

Gideon Falter, Chairman of Campaign Against Antisemitism noted that Chabloz’s conviction was the first in the UK for Holocaust denial on social media.

“The Crown Court is a court of record, meaning that its judgement upholding the previous Magistrates’ Court decision sets a new precedent in British law,” he said.

“Many brave British patriots died in the cause of defeating the Nazis. Alison Chabloz is no patriot and her actions defending the Nazis and claiming that the Holocaust was a fraud seek to defile their sacrifice. This sentence sends a strong message that in Britain, Holocaust denial and antisemitic conspiracy theories will not be tolerated.”

Reading the court’s judgement, Judge Hehir said that the court did not have to entertain “absurdity or fiction” in cases of Holocaust denial and that “we take judicial notice of the fact that the Holocaust occurred.”

Turning to Chabloz, he said, “she is a Holocaust denier... she is manifestly antisemitic and obsessed with the wrongdoing of Jews,” adding that on the subject of the Holocaust “she has lost all sense of perspective.”

Addressing the songs themselves, Justice Hehir said of the first song, “it is by no means an exaggeration to call this song disgusting," before describing her other songs in similar terms.

He added that “she positively intended to be grossly offensive to Jews” before confirmed that her original sentence was upheld.

The Westminster Magistrates’ Court found Chabloz guilty last year and sentenced her to a 20-week prison sentence suspended for two years, 180 hours of unpaid community service, an indefinite order against contacting two leaders of Campaign Against Antisemitism, as well an an order banning her from social media for 12 months.

The suspension of her sentence was on the basis that District Judge John Zani said that he did not wish to satisfy her desire to become a "martyr."
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Landmark ... ial-580589

I believe the song is here: https://archive.org/details/youtube-9tmY6iItnP0

youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tmY6iItnP0


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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 6 days 21 hours ago (Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:28 pm)



These are the lyrics. And all she's doing is stating what 'holocaust survivors' claim to be reality and her opinions about 'holocuast survivors'. And certainly the holocaust myth is slanderous against white people/gentiles. But I guess Jews can't be racist against white people.

This certainly is a catchy tune.

My name is Irene Zisblatt and I come from Hungary
Can you believe what evil Nazi bastards did to me
They gassed me once, gassed me twice,
But escape I did
Over the electric fence
Landed on the train

I saw them taking babies and tearing them in two
And creepy Dr Mengele he removed my tattoo
They tried to turn my brown eyes blue
Make lampshades from my skin
For months I swallowed diamonds
And shat them out again

Tell us another
Come on, my brother
Repeat the cover
For tribal gain
Safe in our tower
Now is the hour
Money and power
We have no shame

Let's lie and cheat on film
No one suspects a thing
Bigger the lie is better for us!
Every fake survivor
Every fake survivor's laughing
Fake survivors' tongues are wagging
All us frauds are busy blagging
Spin and yarn there'll be no gagging
You shall pay
All the way
Every night and day!

My name is Elie Wiesel may I show you my tattoo
I wrote a book for US kids to study while at school
It's full of nonsense tales of course
What do you all expect
But it made me very wealthy
As a liar I'm the best

At Auschwitz they burned
babies tho the water table's high
Fred Leuchter's work on ditches well it almost made me cry
Treblinka was a another one
There was no funeral pyre
I cannot speak Hungarian
But oh boy can I lie

History repeats itself
No limit to our wealth
Thanks to your debt we're
Bleeding you dry
We control your media
Control of your books and TV
With the daily lies we feed you
Suffering victimisation
Sheeple have no realisation
You shall pay...

My name is Otto Frank and my daughter's name is Anne
The poor girl died of typhus at Bergen-Belsen camp
She wrote an introduction
To her famous diary
The rest was penned by Levin then publishèd by me

Two thousand and sixteen the copyright came to an end
The Anne Frank trust decided once again the rules to bend
We truly had no choice although
The whole thing really stank
But the book now has two authors
Anne and Otto Frank.

Bank notes let's print some more
We love to see you poor
Let's start a war
Our pockets to line
There is no more doubting
Every nations debt is mounting
While the bankers keep on counting
Pension fund has now gone awol
Nothing left upon your table
You shall pay..
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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby Mortimer » 4 days 21 hours ago (Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:28 pm)

The conviction should come as no surprise because Simon Sheppard and Luke O'Farrell were imprisoned for distributing a comic book called Tales of the Holohoax back in 2010 - http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/ ... lohoax.pdf
http://www.heretical.com/sgs-2013/jdiaryp1.html
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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby cold beer » 3 days 23 hours ago (Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:20 pm)

It's apparently legal for Jews or anyone else to say that Germans tore off the limbs of babies and threw them into fire pits, etc etc.
But calling jews liars?
Forbidden!

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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby phdnm » 3 days 3 hours ago (Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:45 am)

Holocaust trials – another harsh but predictable ruling

February 14, 2019Alison Chabloz

Yesterday, February 13th, was the 74th anniversary of the bombing of Dresden in which over 100,000 men, women and children were burned alive in a holocaust delivered by the British and American air forces. There were more German civilian deaths during just a few days’ bombing raids over Dresden and Frankfurt than there were British victims of German bombs throughout the entire Second World War.

They fought for our freedoms – or so we were told.

Also yesterday, the Crown Court in Southwark upheld the ruling delivered last May by Westminster Magistrates Court that I was guilty of causing “gross offensive” after posting links to live performances of three of my songs. As noted in my previous post, the points of law regards “sending” and what constitutes a “public electronic communications network” will now be appealed at the Divisional Court.

Contrary to remarks made by my accusers of Campaign Against Antisemitism and other ignorant sources, the Crown Court’s ruling yesterday does not constitute a “legal precedent”. Britain is still free of any so-called “Holocaust denial” law. Legal precedents under UK law are applicable on points of law rather than on “facts”. Furthermore, even if my case were to go the Supreme Court, it would create no more than a “persuasive”, non legally-binding “precedent” in countries such as France and Germany, which in any case are Civil Law (as opposed to Common Law) jurisdictions, and where legal precedent is not binding in the same way that it is in England.

Press citations from Judge Hehir’s ruling are simply a repetition of the usual insult and ad hominem. During cross examination on Tuesday, I was able to relate the entire campaign of demonisation against me, including police negligence, CAA use of online trolling, double standards, etc., – all of which was thoroughly disregarded by the court. Furthermore, predictable gloating from the usual suspects merely strengthens French dissident Alain Soral’s recent observations to a Yellow Vests rally and in particular his remark that those of us willing to take the hits do so in order to show who is dishing them out.

Several times during the Appeal, Judge Hehir and prosecution barrister James Mulholland QC repeated the conclusion of Judge Grey’s ruling in the 2000 Irving vs Penguin Books and Lipstadt libel suit:

Having considered the various arguments advanced by Irving to assail the effect of the convergent evidence relied upon by the defendants, it is my conclusion that no objective, fair-minded historian would have serious cause to doubt that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz, and that they were operated on a substantial scale to kill hundreds of thousands of Jews.

Since then, of course, revisionists such as Germar Rudolf, Carlo Mattogno and Jürgen Graf have provided a wealth of scholarly works showing the total lack of evidence of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. As I made clear in court on Tuesday, gas chambers did exist, but these were for purpose of disinfection and protection of inmates from raging typhus epidemics.

Simply put, if orthodox historians wish to retain their academic posts and be granted access to mainstream publishing outlets, then they simply avoid the topic altogether. (During my cross examination, I noted that the Board of Deputies of British Jews was responsible for issuing orders to Amazon to remove a list of revisionist books from its catalogue).

As the IHR’s Mark Weber noted at the time, Judge Grey’s ruling was harsh but predictable and the same is true of Judge Hehir’s rapidly typed-up ruling yesterday. Despite further demonisation of yours truly, my original sentence remains unchanged.

In short, CAA and the authorities are responsible for airing my songs to a wider public and I am therefore grateful for all the free publicity. My case has shed light on the blatant inconsistencies of the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative as well as on the undeniable fact that certain groups are more privileged than others when it comes to freedom of speech and the right to be offensive.

Many thanks to the dozen or so loyal supporters who sat through the hearings. I will write more soon.


https://alisonchabloz.com/2019/02/14/ho ... le-ruling/


Chabloz succeeds in criminalising ‘Holocaust denial’

February 14, 2019

Yesterday in Southwark Crown Court, Alison Chabloz was again found guilty of posting “grossly offensive” YouTube videos, in contravention of the Communications Act 2003. This reaffirmed the verdict of District Judge John Zani, sitting last May in Marylebone Magistrates Court, who had found Chabloz guilty on three charges of “sending grossly offensive communications via a public communications network”.

This week Judge Christopher Hehir, sitting alongside magistrate Mena Rego (a Kenyan Asian immigrant and Roman Catholic school governor), reimposed exactly the same sentence as Judge Zani had passed last year: a 20-week suspended prison sentence, plus 180 hours of unpaid “community service”, plus a 12 month ban from social media.

So for Ms Chabloz, the outcome of her “appeal” (actually a full retrial of the facts, rather than an appeal on points of law), was unchanged. She (or rather her donors) will probably face a heavy costs bill for having pursued an unsuccessful retrial – especially after the prosecution instructed a QC for this retrial – but otherwise exactly the same verdict and sentence.

For UK historical revisionists and political activists, however, this week’s Crown Court judgment is far more serious...


http://www.heritageanddestiny.com/chabloz-succeeds-in-criminalising-holocaust-denial/


For UK historical revisionists and political activists, however, this week’s Crown Court judgment is far more serious.


Absolutely, and here I am thinking of the case of the revisionist Vincent Reynouard, currently exiled in the United Kingdom.

Extradition to France is still possible!

He posted a video on this subject, see in the French section

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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby georgesmiley » 3 days 33 minutes ago (Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:33 pm)

Here is her take on the judgement. To me British injustice managed to retain its high standards of insanity and doublethink.

https://alisonchabloz.com/2019/02/17/br ... g-at-lies/

an excerpt

We also acknowledge that many commonly held ideas or assumptions about the Holocaust do not have a firm historical basis. We further acknowledge that the recollections of individual witnesses as to their part in the events of the Holocaust may [as is the case with any witness to an event or circumstance] be unreliable, exaggerated or even deliberately untruthful.

(and her comment):

The above acknowledgements do not form the same basis for the ideas being put across in my songs?

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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby phdnm » 2 days 15 hours ago (Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:31 pm)



The Case of Chabloz & the Criminalization of the "Holocaust Denial" in the UK

On February 13, Alison Chabloz was the first British citizen sentenced in her country for "denial". In its judgment, the Court issued a "judicial notice" of the Holocaust. In other words: now in England, the "Holocaust" will be considered by the courts as an "established fact", not likely to be challenged. In this video, the British nationalist Peter Rushton explains the scope of this judgment. His country is heading towards an outlawing of revisionism and already, a revisionist like Vincent Reynouard faces an extradition ...

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Postby Dresden » 2 days 13 hours ago (Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:13 am)

phdnm wrote:


The Case of Chabloz & the Criminalization of the "Holocaust Denial" in the UK

On February 13, Alison Chabloz was the first British citizen sentenced in her country for "denial". In its judgment, the Court issued a "judicial notice" of the Holocaust. In other words: now in England, the "Holocaust" will be considered by the courts as an "established fact", not likely to be challenged. In this video, the British nationalist Peter Rushton explains the scope of this judgment. His country is heading towards an outlawing of revisionism and already, a revisionist like Vincent Reynouard faces an extradition ...


Well, this is really bad news for Revisionism.

Was Alison Chabloz aware that by taking her case to a higher court, she could be setting a precedent against Revisionism? .....I don't know.

Is Alison Chabloz a mole ..... a Trojan Horse? ..... I don't know.
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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby Hektor » 7 hours 56 minutes ago (Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:10 am)

Dresden wrote:....

Well, this is really bad news for Revisionism.

Was Alison Chabloz aware that by taking her case to a higher court, she could be setting a precedent against Revisionism? .....I don't know.

Is Alison Chabloz a mole ..... a Trojan Horse? ..... I don't know.

I don't think she's a Trojan Horse.

The pushers of the Holocaust narrative may celebrate conviction, but that might turn out to be a Pyrrhic Victory in the end.
They can't prove their case with fact and argument, so they have to resort to the might of the state. That's obvious.
In Britain they don't have legislative backing against "Holocaust Denial". But they can resort to lawfare and legal/judicial harassment by taking people to court. The court decision may give this more edge in the future. It should however be remarked that proof of purpose of grossly offending is a requirement to be successful suing people.

Antisemitic Holocaust denier Chabloz ‘signed up to be official Labour supporter’
EXCLUSIVE: Activist and revisionist also declared her support for Jeremy Corbyn in several blog posts.
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/laboursupporter/

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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby borjastick » 4 hours 51 minutes ago (Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:15 am)

Hektor wrote:
Dresden wrote:....

Well, this is really bad news for Revisionism.

Was Alison Chabloz aware that by taking her case to a higher court, she could be setting a precedent against Revisionism? .....I don't know.

Is Alison Chabloz a mole ..... a Trojan Horse? ..... I don't know.

I don't think she's a Trojan Horse.

The pushers of the Holocaust narrative may celebrate conviction, but that might turn out to be a Pyrrhic Victory in the end.
They can't prove their case with fact and argument, so they have to resort to the might of the state. That's obvious.
In Britain they don't have legislative backing against "Holocaust Denial". But they can resort to lawfare and legal/judicial harassment by taking people to court. The court decision may give this more edge in the future. It should however be remarked that proof of purpose of grossly offending is a requirement to be successful suing people.

Antisemitic Holocaust denier Chabloz ‘signed up to be official Labour supporter’
EXCLUSIVE: Activist and revisionist also declared her support for Jeremy Corbyn in several blog posts.
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/laboursupporter/


On the Corbyn situation and anti-semitism in the Labour party, I have never been sure about the claims made against Corbyn. Is he an anti semite or just that he is critical of israel? Of course we know that israel claims any criticism of it means the critic is an anti-semite. I don't agree.

I do wonder if Corbyn is one of the few senior politicians who don't believe the holocaust claims.
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Postby Hektor » 4 hours 16 minutes ago (Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:50 am)

borjastick wrote:....
On the Corbyn situation and anti-semitism in the Labour party, I have never been sure about the claims made against Corbyn. Is he an anti semite or just that he is critical of israel? Of course we know that israel claims any criticism of it means the critic is an anti-semite. I don't agree.

I do wonder if Corbyn is one of the few senior politicians who don't believe the holocaust claims.


My guess is that far less politicians believe in the Holocaust than one may expect from looking at the surface. They know however what the consequences of publicly expressed disbelief for their careers would be.

Can't say about Corbyn, though. One may disagree with him on a lot of other issues, but I think he'd got the balls to challenge infringements on free speech for Revisionists.

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Re: ‘Landmark decision’ in UK upholds conviction for Holocaust denial -- Denying Holohoax now a crime in UK?

Postby Pia Kahn » 3 hours 41 minutes ago (Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:25 am)

"According to the Campaign Against Antisemitism organization, the decision sets a precedent that Holocaust denial is ‘grossly offensive’ and therefore illegal."

Non-offensive speech does not have to be protected by "free speech" laws, because nodody is offended by non-offensive speech.. Thus, the whole point of protecting fee speech is to ensure that people can voice "offensive" opinions.

So now the judges want to define what is "grossly offensive" and therefore illegal and what is only a little bit offensive. That's merely in the eye of he beholder. For jews making fun of lying holocaust survivors is "grossly offensive" for the goyim it's just hilarious.

The only hope we have is that people will begin to recognize that they are losing their freedoms and that double standards are applied in order to protect the holocaust religion. The more tyrannical the fight against unbelievers becomes, the more people will turn against the holocaust believer sect, irrespective of whether they believe in the holocaust or not.
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