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Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby Pia Kahn » 8 months 4 days ago (Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:20 am)

I know this is kind of an abstract idea. But I would like to pose the following question:

1. If the gas chambers of Auschwitz actually existed and were used - let's assume this to be true for the sake of argument - what is the kind of evidence we would expect to see given this assumption?

2. Do we have this evidence?

Sure, the most obvious argument of this kind is: "If the gas chambers were used, we would expect to see or measure large amounts of cyanides in the walls of the gas chambers. We do not measure these cyanides. We conclude that the gas chamers were most likely not in use."

But, there are many many more events or things we should expect to see given the use of homicidal gas chambers.Arthut Buts book about the holocaust comprises many many arguments of this kind.

I would like to compile a more or less complete list of this kind.

We could also ask the opposing question:

3. If the gas chambers of Auschwitz were historical fact, what is the kind of evidence we would expect NOT to see?

4. Do we have this evidence?

Here is one example: If the gas chambers were true, then we would not expect to see forgeries of gas chambers, such as the forgery of the gas chamber in the main camp of Auschwitz.

If we have a more or less complete list of these kind of arguments, then we can make a really strong case for or against the existence of these gas chambers.
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Re: Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby borjastick » 8 months 4 days ago (Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:06 am)

The proof one needs for gas chambers having existed as claimed, and as claimed the numbers killed in them and then cremated should be irrefutable. The amount of fuel to run the ovens, the cremains and the forensics within the gas chamber rooms would be easy to prove and a slam dunk for those who wish to prove the holocaust actually happened.

That none of this is available says it all.
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Re: Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby Pia Kahn » 8 months 4 days ago (Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:23 am)

borjastick wrote:The proof one needs for gas chambers having existed as claimed, and as claimed the numbers killed in them and then cremated should be irrefutable. The amount of fuel to run the ovens, the cremains and the forensics within the gas chamber rooms would be easy to prove and a slam dunk for those who wish to prove the holocaust actually happened.

That none of this is available says it all.


Good points: Given that the gassed persons were cremated, what would one expect to find:

1. Large amounts of fuel (for cremation)
2. Large amounts of Cremains (Ashes and bones)

Both cannot be found. :cheers:
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Re: Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby Hannover » 8 months 4 days ago (Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:50 am)

The alleged “ash pond” for an alleged 1.1M Jew remains at Auschwitz, however these alleged remains cannot be shown to exist.

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Just think about it, Revisionism would be stopped dead in it's tracks if these alleged remains, and the many others that are said to exist in known locations, could be shown.

And then there are the alleged "eyewitnesses", "survivors" tales which defy laws of science, contradict each other, and contradict the very narrative they were contrived to support.

We also have the fact that the required outbound train records have been 'disappeared'. Hardly something the Germans would have done while leaving the inbound train records intact.
see:
'Inbound train records, but no outbound records. Why?'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2355

from: Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 36:
Auschwitz: Eyewitness Reports and Perpetrator Confessions of the Holocaust—30 Gas-Chamber Witnesses Scrutinized, by Jürgen Graf:
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.ph ... page_id=36

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Re: Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 4 days ago (Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:08 pm)

1 - We would expect the 'gas chambers' to have been destroyed. In many cases, they were not

Germans destroyed the crematoria, but left "Gas Chambers" intact
viewtopic.php?t=12617

2 - Since they were not destroyed, we would expect massive cyanide traces on the walls comparable to delousing chambers. We do not see this

Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz
viewtopic.php?t=4111

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Germar Rudolf: "In the following table I have listed the factors affecting the formation of Prussian Blue both for an interior wall of the delousing chamber of building 5a in Birkenau (left), and of the alleged homicidal gas chamber of Krematorium II in Birkenau (right). The first data row gives the actual result of the analyses for total cyanide of samples taken from these walls. The right column shows approximate factors linking both premises' tendency to form Prussian Blue. The resulting factor in fact indicates that similar amounts of Prussian Blue should be expected in both locations." http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/CharacterAssassins.html

3 - We would expect consistency with the "Eyewitness testimony" rather than so many contradictions

'The Matrix of Converging Evidence' / the true convergence supports the Revisionist side
viewtopic.php?t=12262

4 - We would expect massive quantities of human remains in allegedly precisely known locations

Cremated remains, bone ash, and water-solubility // the ash ponds
viewtopic.php?t=12278

5 - We would expect discussion of Zyklon-B being used to kill humans. Similar to how we have discussions of CO used to kill people in the Euthanasia program

Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program Compared to the Holocaust
https://codoh.com/library/document/4885/
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Re: Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby Hannover » 8 months 3 days ago (Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:37 am)

In the many aerial photos that were taken of Auschwitz - Birkenau we would expect to see the alleged round the clock gassings in progress with the alleged massive lines of Jews allegedly awaiting their turn just outside the gas chamber doors.

In the many aerial photos that were taken of Auschwitz - Birkenau we would expect to see the alleged 'mountains of dead bodies' piled high as claimed by "eyewitnesses / survivors".

In the many aerial photos that were taken of Auschwitz - Birkenau we would expect to see the crematoria chimneys belching fire as claimed by "eyewitnesses / survivors".

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see more:
'Testimonies on impossible flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7538

In fact we see none of the above. All we see are laughable drawings and fakes like this example:

Drawn in 'Auschwitz Jews being marched to gas chambers', ON A ROOF.
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see:
VIDEO classic: Auschwitz Aerial photos, some tampered with to fit the fake story
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11669&p=87558
also see:
The alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process reviewed and demolished here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11143&p=83723&hilit=model+asmarques#p83723

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Re: Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby Pia Kahn » 8 months 3 days ago (Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:50 am)

If the industrialised killing factories of the Nazis using gas chambers, cyclon B and crematoria were efficient killing methods as alleged, we would expect to see that other genocidal mass murderers (Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, ...) would copy these methods. However, mass murderers all over the world do not seem to like gas chambers...
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Re: Evidence we must expect to see given the gas chambers were used

Postby Pia Kahn » 8 months 3 days ago (Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:53 am)

If the Nazis had meticulously planned the construction of killing factories using gas chambers, we would expect to find the plans and blueprints of the gas chambers in the documents ceised from Auschwitz. However, there are no blueprints of gas chambers to be found in the construction plans of Auschwitz. The plans of Auschwitz show mortuaries instead of gas chambers.
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