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Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby Pia Kahn » 5 days 1 hour ago (Sat May 23, 2020 4:14 pm)

Michael Shermer has published a new video on youtube on holocaust "denial". He has chosen to ignore all the new evidence and books published since the Irving trial.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

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Re: Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby Merlin300 » 5 days 17 minutes ago (Sat May 23, 2020 5:45 pm)

Pia Kahn wrote:Michael Shermer has published a new video on youtube on holocaust "denial". He has chosen to ignore all the new evidence and books published since the Irving trial.



It says something about Michael's analytical abilities that he starts his talk on the certainty of a German policy of total murder with a picture of healthy children who survived the War in the a German detention camp.

Right now there is a push amongst the Holocaust Believers to create a unified tale, er history, and the taxpayers have just given them $10,000,000 to do it See Never Again Education Act. This bill expands U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum education programming. The bill requires the museum to develop and nationally disseminate accurate, relevant, and accessible resources to improve awareness and understanding of the Holocaust.

Mr. Shermer seems to be an effort in this direction.

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Re: Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby EtienneSC » 4 days 10 hours ago (Sun May 24, 2020 7:34 am)

I agree that much of it comes across as lazy, given that you would expect a lecturer to update their talk more than once in 20-30 years - otherwise what are students paying for? (I'm assuming that this is from a real course, as that is what he calls it at the very start.)

However, there are four structures on the top of the alleged gas chambers (Kremas II and III) at 1.02.40 from the aerial photograph of 25 August 1944. And there is a good blow up photo from the ground at 1.04.48. There are also dots on the plans at 1.07.07, though they are also in the "undressing room". This is consistent with the "holes in the roof" part of the gas chamber theory. Is there a key to the plans - or other similar plans?

Any comments?

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Re: Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby Hannover » 4 days 7 hours ago (Sun May 24, 2020 10:44 am)

EtienneSC wrote:However, there are four structures on the top of the alleged gas chambers (Kremas II and III) at 1.02.40 from the aerial photograph of 25 August 1944. And there is a good blow up photo from the ground at 1.04.48. There are also dots on the plans at 1.07.07, though they are also in the "undressing room". This is consistent with the "holes in the roof" part of the gas chamber theory. Is there a key to the plans - or other similar plans?
Any comments?

Your "dots" (also called "little chimneys / holes" supposedly for inserting Zyklon-B) have been added / drawn in and completely debunked with ease.
see:
VIDEO classic: Auschwitz Aerial photos, tampered with to fit the fake story / by John Ball
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11669

Other links in that thread add to the demolition.

also from:
'Photos beneath Krema III ruins?': viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13258
Again, those "dots" (also called "little chimneys / holes" supposedly for inserting Zyklon-B) mentioned in this post:
Hannover wrote:Not to go too far off topic, but this is underneath the roof of the alleged "gas chamber" of Krema II at Auschwitz/Birkenau, no holes in the roof for the fictitious little 'chimneys' / Zyklon-B columns, and no traces that they were ever 'filled in'.
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and:
The rooftop of Krema II, alleged 'gas chamber':
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Taken January/February 1943, notice there are no little 'chimneys' / columns that are alleged for the alleged insertion of Zyklon-B / cyanide.
The 'chimneys' / columns are claimed to have been ca. 2 feet high. The snow is 2-3 inches high.
According to Auschwitz "expert" Robert Jan Van Pelt, the 'chimneys' / insertion columns, which were said to protrude out from the roof, were added as an "adaptation" in August, 1942

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby Merlin300 » 4 days 6 hours ago (Sun May 24, 2020 11:31 am)

EtienneSC wrote:I agree that much of it comes across as lazy, given that you would expect a lecturer to update their talk more than once in 20-30 years - otherwise what are students paying for? (I'm assuming that this is from a real course, as that is what he calls it at the very start.)

However, there are four structures on the top of the alleged gas chambers (Kremas II and III) at 1.02.40 from the aerial photograph of 25 August 1944. And there is a good blow up photo from the ground at 1.04.48. There are also dots on the plans at 1.07.07, though they are also in the "undressing room". This is consistent with the "holes in the roof" part of the gas chamber theory. Is there a key to the plans - or other similar plans?

Any comments?


None of the plans of the morgues show holes in the roof.

My perspective starts from having been to Birkenau and been on the roof of Leichenkeller 1 Krema II. Despite what Prof. Shermer claims, the 75% of the roof is still there, not covered by rubble, and can be examined. The roof consisted on a poured-in-place concrete layer, a layer of asphalt felt waterproofing and a cap of thin concrete.

There were two crudely chipped in holes with the rebar cut and bent out of the way. A concrete column has also pierced the roof.
One hole was large enough to wiggle through into the room below. The smaller hole still had rebar transecting it.
The entrance to the morgue 1 was blocked by rubble so the only way into the room in 1945 would have been to chip a hole in the roof.
There is a large concrete beam that runs the length of the room (north south). It was cracked, causing the roof to fall partly into the room . The underside of the roof shows the imprint of the wooden forms very clearly. along with wooden slats used to hold the air ducts.

A vital source of primary material is Jean-Claude Pressac's seminal work on Auschwitz entitled Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... operation/

For photographs of the underside of L1 K2 see
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0354.shtml

My point is that the physical evidence shows that there were not 4 holes on the roof and none prior to the Soviet arrival at the camp.

The three boxes show in a picture during construction were possibly containers of the asphalt felt, which would have been installed after
the roof was poured and before the final concrete cap.

There are several photographs of the roof of Krema II Leichenkeller 1 which do not show any holes but that is a different thread.

Pressac noted,

"North/south view of the western part of the ceiling of Leichenkeller 1, with the south wall at the far end. Upper left, the hole in the ceiling is assumed to be one of the Zyklon-B introduction openings, but the positions of the two holes that can be seen today do not correspond to those of the US Air Force photograph taken on 25th August 1944. The reason for this as yet unexplained difference could well be simply that the roof shifted considerably when dynamited. "

In fact, the roof only shifted a inch when it dropped. This can be seen in the position of the central beam relative to the columns.

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Re: Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby Waldgänger » 4 days 6 hours ago (Sun May 24, 2020 11:39 am)

EtienneSC wrote:I agree that much of it comes across as lazy, given that you would expect a lecturer to update their talk more than once in 20-30 years - otherwise what are students paying for? (I'm assuming that this is from a real course, as that is what he calls it at the very start.)

However, there are four structures on the top of the alleged gas chambers (Kremas II and III) at 1.02.40 from the aerial photograph of 25 August 1944. And there is a good blow up photo from the ground at 1.04.48. There are also dots on the plans at 1.07.07, though they are also in the "undressing room". This is consistent with the "holes in the roof" part of the gas chamber theory. Is there a key to the plans - or other similar plans?

Any comments?


Although the August, 1944 photos are the clearest of the aerial photos, people legitimately do have a hard time finding the 8 holes of Krema II & III on earlier photos. See especially the May 31, 1944 aerial photos.

Note, before viewing:

1. Krema II (near the bottom of my blow-up photo) has the 'Zyklon B holes' to the bottom-right or southwest of the roof, yet in the August 25, 1944 photo they are directly on the middle of the roof. Here, they are clearly separate from the mound of that roof, standing beside it or away from it. There seems also to be one solitary chimney-like structure protruding (?) from the centre of the roof of Krema II's "gas chamber".

2. Krema III (near the top of my blow-up photo) has a 'gas chamber' roof which seems nearly indistinguishable from the trees around it. Those random 'holes' on the mound could even be foliage. It's very difficult to tell. What fascinates me is that these 'holes' are staggered, whereas in the ruins of Krema III's 'gas chamber' today, we see the pillars (beside which allegedly stood the Zyklon B introduction-columns underground) are in a perfectly straight row in the structure. No staggering.

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... with my own blow-up of the Crematoria II & III area:

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And also from the same day, May 31, perhaps a second exposure of a wider area from the same moment of the fly-over:

Image

... and again my own blow-up of Crematoria II & III:

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This April 9, 1944, photo is interesting too:

1. A long line of people (?) on the road going to (or from?) this area.
2. Krema V
3. Krema IV
4. A single pit of something smoking & burning.

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Note there are several pits, but only one is smoking. There is no trace of smoke from the Krema chimneys. This is before the May-August transports of Hungarian Jews -- i.e. before the time in which the standard Holocaust narrative says open-air cremations were required due to the huge numbers of people being gassed & cremated. So, perhaps this burning is of something else, like rubbish or refuse? It simply cannot be 'overflow' for Kremas at their full capacity.
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Re: Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby Merlin300 » 4 days 6 hours ago (Sun May 24, 2020 11:47 am)

A view of part of the roof without any holes visible can be seen at
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0260.shtml

What this photograph shows is that the Germans did not deal with the "gas chamber" first but concentrated on the crematorium.

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Re: Shermer's latest ramblings

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 3 days 19 hours ago (Sun May 24, 2020 10:41 pm)

Shermer doesn't talk about the Holocaust itself. He only talks about Holocaust revisionists (whom he systematically calls "Holocaust deniers" or just "deniers" in order to belittle and vilify them (i.e. the best way to induce most people not to read their books)). Like his colleague Deborah Lipstadt, he knows almost nothing about the Holocaust. His job is the formulation of defamatory lies and deceptive pretexts supposed to explain why a debate between revisionists and antirevisionists would be pointless. In short, he's paid to conceal the real reasons why Holocaust antirevisionists so persistently evade any debate with Holocaust revisionists.

Also, he promoted vicious racist Deborah Lipstadt, who supports racist Israel. She even said that calling the genocide in Palestine a genocide is a form of holocaust denial. Assuming he is consistent with bringing prejudice to an end, he really should have nothing to do with Lipstadt, the promoter of prejudice. Deborah even blocked me on Facebook for trying to debate whether or not the holocaust happened! Which is her right, but I have no regard for that fake historian and Jewish supremacist hoax promoter.
If your beliefs cannot stand up to your own sincere scrutiny and skeptical evaluation, they are not worth having.

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The Dirt on the Holes

Postby Merlin300 » 3 days 15 hours ago (Mon May 25, 2020 2:17 am)

There are several issue with the Believer aerial photograph, two of them are discussed below. Most of the Believer polemic was presented in a paper prepared by the "Believer Dream Team," Daniel Keren, Harry W. Mazal and Jamie McCarthy,
right after the Lipstadt-Irving trial. Shermer was simply parroting the Dream Team's pseudo but well funded research


The first issue is that the roof was covered by a layer of dirt to provide insulation for the morgue.

This shows in the plan
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0279.shtml
and
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0282.shtml


The second issue is the supposed size of the "holes.

Michal Kula, a former prisoner of the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, gave a deposition describing the introduction columns in June 1945.
A plan of the Colonne Grillagee d'introduction du Zyclon-B
This plan can be seen at https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... e487.shtml


A little basket was supposed to be filled with Zyclon-B and somehow be lowered into a fixed wire tube which was somehow attached to the underside of the roof and to the floor.
The width of the "little basket" was 15 cm sq.

So the contemporary tale was that there were very small "chimneys" about 20 cm x 20 cm
The two holes in the roof chipped in after January 1945 are small, one 30 cm wide and one 20 cm.


The most extreme Believer "expert" Carroll Lucas, admitted that the photographic resolution of the August photograph was "on the order of 4-6 feet (1.25-1.85 meters)."
Something the size of the existing two holes or of Kula's baskets would not have been visible.


The Dirt on the Believer Lies

The Dream Team admit the roof was covered in dirt but claim the "chimney" stuck up 15 cm above the dirt.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... o-columns/
The dirt was still on the roof in April 1945

The layer of dirt raises questions of why put dirt on the roof of a "gas chamber" and around your chimneys? The dirt was designed as insulation for the morgue and could have easily been removed. On the issue of visibility, the dirt removes the possibility of any large shadows

The main gambit of The Dream Team is dishonestly expanded the size of the chimneys from what was testified to in 1945 to something much larger, something which just could have been visible.


Even then Believers point to a blow up of of the photograph which shows rectangular shapes 6 to 8 feet long!
That is larger than the chimney of the crematoria.
For comparison See
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0358.shtml

What the four marks are is unexplained but they cannot be images of 15 cm high structures.

It is also useful to compare a real vent built by the Germans in Krema II with the "holes" of the Believers.
Here are vents actually constructed by the Germans.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0366.shtml


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