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Fakes...........

Postby dalegribble » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:33 pm)

i've only just started looking into the 'revisionists side to the discussion '
what i'd like to know is where can i find some examples of faked photos,etc etc.
i've seen the painted in smoke picture and the piles of glasses and shoes [which seem to be on a sloped floor to give the appearence of more items than there actually is,i may be wrong this is just my assumption at a glance],i'd like to look at some pictures that have been doctored or alleged to have been,the picture that started my query off is the soldier pointing a gun at a woman and child-it's only when the full photo is fully shown that it shows he isn't pointing the gun at them at all but people in the fore ground.
thanks in advance.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:30 pm)

Have a look here:

Do Photographs Prove the NS Extermination of the Jews?
http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcffor.html

right here at Air-Photo:

http://www.air-photo.com/english/exhibit.html

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Postby widukind » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:36 am)

Another good article on fakes can be found at the Ukrainian Archive :

http://www.ukar.org/greenb03.shtml

The complete OCR of a booklet by Walendy on common forgeries (in German) is under way. It will be posted in a couple of weeks on VHO.

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Postby dalegribble » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:48 am)

Do Photographs Prove the NS Extermination of the Jews?


im looking at the ability of people to lie about such things,not for proof of extermination techniques

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:32 am)

Are you asking why people lie? For that there are many reasons.

a few:
- cover their own crimes by accusing others of more fantastic crimes
- financial gain
- political gain
- ethnic cohesion
- desire for 'victim' status which makes criticism of the alleged 'victims' difficult
- a general disposition for lying

etc., etc.

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Postby dalegribble » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:00 am)

no,what im wondering is why people who claim to have lived through such things feel the reason to lie about it,im intrested in things that have been proved to be fraudulent

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 12:42 pm)

I gave you some reasons.

What I ask of you is to show us some things that have proven to be true. The onus is upon the accusers & believers.

The links to fake photos you asked for say a lot about the fraudulent nature of the 'holocau$t' as alleged. Why do you avoid that?

Revisionists at this Forum have shown in thread after thread the absurdity of the major allegations. Are you ignoring those threads?

If you believe in the alleged 'gas chambers' then start a thread and tell us why.
If you believe in the alleged '6,000,000' (plus the alleged 5,000,000 - 6,000,000 'others'..which multiplies the absurdity), then start a thread and tell us why.

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Postby dalegribble » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:05 pm)

where have i said i was a 'believer' or are you just arguementative with everyone who asks a question,i'll know not to bother again

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:36 pm)

You said to start:
i've only just started looking into the 'revisionists side to the discussion '
what i'd like to know is where can i find some examples of faked photos,etc etc.
i've seen the painted in smoke picture and the piles of glasses and shoes [which seem to be on a sloped floor to give the appearence of more items than there actually is,i may be wrong this is just my assumption at a glance],i'd like to look at some pictures that have been doctored or alleged to have been,the picture that started my query off is the soldier pointing a gun at a woman and child-it's only when the full photo is fully shown that it shows he isn't pointing the gun at them at all but people in the fore ground.

You were then given links to such fakes. Then you said:
im looking at the ability of people to lie about such things,not for proof of extermination techniques

I see a non-sequitor here, why? You asked for fake photos.
Then you said:
no,what im wondering is why people who claim to have lived through such things feel the reason to lie about it,im intrested in things that have been proved to be fraudulent

More non-sequitors, why? You asked for fake photos. Nonetheless I gave reasons why people lie in this regard, I told you that information abounds at this Forum about the nonsense of the 'holocau$t' as alleged.
Then you said:
where have i said i was a 'believer' or are you just arguementative with everyone who asks a question,i'll know not to bother again

So, you started with a request for fake photos, then you drifted into asking Revisionists to prove a negative. You then backed off when challenged to start threads on specifics if you so believed in the stories....which you certainly seem to.

Whatever happened to logic? What ever happened to staying on topic.

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Postby dalegribble » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:06 pm)

You then backed off when challenged to start threads on specifics if you so believed in the stories....which you certainly seem to.

where in gods name did you come to that conclusion.
and i said
no,what im wondering is why people who claim to have lived through such things feel the reason to lie about it,im intrested in things that have been proved to be fraudulent

to which you have taken not as it was intended

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:05 pm)

What are you trying to say dalegribble? Please note your own topic of this thread.

Thanks, Moderator

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Postby dalegribble » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:43 pm)

i asked to see some faked pictures thats all, if hanover wants to go 'hunting' believers theres another forum he should try instead of trying to put words into my mouth

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:56 pm)

You have done everything except comment on the photos.
What about the photos dalegribble? Do I need to quote you again and show where there is no comments about the photos?

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Postby dalegribble » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Jan 29, 2003 4:59 am)

the photos prove nothing,except that 'Simon Wiesenthal' has a made a living out of shall we say 'bending the truth' and thats common knowledge.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:34 am)

The fake photos are just one more point in the convergence of evidence which leads to the fraudulence of the 'holocau$t' as alleged. Wiesenthal, while the big cheese of the shysters, is hardly responsible for them all.

Did you like the ones where there's different, conflicting versions? How about the spaghetti legged 'corpses'? You did look at them, right?

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