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No Zyklon-B insertion columns/holes as alleged

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 7 years ago (Wed Feb 05, 2003 9:43 pm)

Here is a ground level photo of an alleged 'gas chamber' roof at Auschwitz/Birkenau; (krema II) that does not have Zyklon-B insertion columns in the roof as alleged. The date is January/February 1943. According to Auschwitz "expert" Robert Jan Van Pelt (who appeared at the Irving/Lipstadt trial), the insertion columns, which were said to protrude out from the roof, were added as an adaptation in August, 1942.

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Here's what Brian Renk has to say about Van Pelt on this:
Van Pelt said:
"The genocidal program in Auschwitz had been adopted in August, the roof was being finished in December, so there was no reason to hack through the roof. They could immediately have made the holes in the roof as they were constructing it".

The 1943 photo doesn't show any evidence of holes or Zyklon- B insertion "chimneys", so there is a problem for van Pelt. At first, he testified that the chimneys can't be seen because "after the dirt was brought on top of the roof of the gas chamber or morgue number one, the [protrusion] would have been less. If we then add snow on top of that, it is very unlikely we would have seen much of these little chimneys".

Two days later, van Pelt recognized his big mistake (probably pointed out to him at the Stockholm conference that weekend). I'll quote from my essay:

"Realizing that the photo shows that there were only a few inches of snow on the roof, he stated that the holes would have been covered with boards, implying that the "introduction chimneys" had not been built in late January". (fn 23: Transcript, January 28, pp. 109-113)

Van Pelt completely contradicted what he had said about immediately making holes (and, by implication, the insertion 'chimneys' also) as they were constructing it, and completely contradicted what he had said about the chimneys being covered by soil and snow in the photo- once he had realized that there were only 3-4 inches of snow (no soil) on the roof in the late January 43 photo. It is the contradiction that is important. They're all over the place.


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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:07 pm)

A nice match for my recent post, 'desperate Van Pelt blunders again':
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=997

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:37 pm)

That's all very well and good. Read the report when it's published. Irving, by the way, got to see a prototype of the report as an appendix to van Pelt's affidavit in Irving v. Lipstadt. Then he withdrew his own expert affidavits.

Powerful stuff.

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Postby rrohde » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:40 pm)

EDIT: I did miss the point here.. thought it was about the roof.. My bad!
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:41 pm)

Right. So powerful that it's taken 60 years for such an alleged report.
If Irving can see the report, then why can't we?

I have not read that Irving has retracted his statements that there were no gassings at Auschwitz/Birkenau. Right, powerful report indeed.

I also notice that you have avoided the information in the initial post.

See my comments about Irving not using the affadavits in this thread:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:46 pm)

Hannover wrote:Right. So powerful that it's taken 60 years for such an alleged report.


Faurisson didn't begin his whining until relatively recently.

And the report isn't "alleged" if it exists, Hannover.

If Irving can see the report, then why can't we?


I asked him a version of that question in New York. Perhaps you'd like to ask him yourself?

I have not read that Irving has retracted his statements that there were no gassings at Auschwitz/Birkenau. Right, powerful report indeed.


No, he just withdrew all his expert affidavits to that effect.

Actions speak louder than words.

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:48 pm)

rrohde wrote:That photo clearly shows a roof where shingles are being put on. Final stages of finishing or refurbishing a building... That's all.


The gas chamber was in the basement. Thus the holes would be at ground level in this photo.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:00 pm)

Sorry Mathis, again...Irving has not retracted his 'no gassings' at Auschwitz statements. That's how 'powerful' your alleged report is.

Go ahead show it to us, if it really exists. Saying so doesn't make it so.

And as usual, you have provided no proof of gassings.

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:05 pm)

Hannover wrote:Sorry Mathis, again...Irving has not retracted his 'no gassings' at Auschwitz statements. That's how 'powerful' your alleged report is.


So powerful that Irving withdrew his affidavits.

Did he or didn't he, Mr. Hannover? Yes or no?

Go ahead show it to us, if it really exists. Saying so doesn't make it so.


Of course not. When it's published, you will have a copy.

And as usual, you have provided no proof of gassings.


The article will do that for me.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:36 pm)

Why doesn't that morgue roof have 18" of mud on it like this pathetic balls-up suggests ?

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... a5f5756413

Going by this ridiculous scribble, some Incompetent cac-handed bodge merchant scrawled. the chicken wire and 'bricks'!? should be protruding 60 cm or 2ft without any mud surrounding it. But alas nothing !

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:59 pm)

Hannover wrote:Sorry Mathis, again...Irving has not retracted his 'no gassings' at Auschwitz statements. That's how 'powerful' your alleged report is.


Did or did not Irving withdraw his expert affidavits?

Go ahead show it to us, if it really exists. Saying so doesn't make it so.


If the moderators would allow me to explain the publishing process, I could answer this question

And as usual, you have provided no proof of gassings.


The article will take care of that.

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Rudolf Report

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:42 pm)

The Rudolf Report contains a comprehensive analysis of arial photos and normal photos about the holes in morgue 1 of crema II.

http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.

No Holes, No 'Holocaust'

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Postby rrohde » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:15 pm)

Has anyone ever considered that the alleged gaschamber could be nothing more but a simple air-raid bunker to protect personel and prisoners? It was a time of war after all, and Luftwaffe air superiority was dwindling...

Anyway, an air-raid bunker was my first impression looking at this: http://vho.org/D/rga2/Image270.jpg

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:27 pm)

my first impression looking at this: http://vho.org/D/rga2/Image270.jpg


That crap is a doctored picture! It's the same old dark Black, one two, one two trick again.

And I must say, 'I am getting tired of seeing it on all these 'recently discovered' commu/Zion pieces of fraudulent junk!'

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Postby rrohde » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:15 pm)

Turpitz wrote:
my first impression looking at this: http://vho.org/D/rga2/Image270.jpg


That crap is a doctored picture! It's the same old dark Black, one two, one two trick again.

And I must say, 'I am getting tired of seeing it on all these 'recently discovered' commu/Zion pieces of fraudulent junk!'



I am sorry, but I don't see anything that's "doctered" right away.. maybe you can point me in the right direction?

Mind you, I am certainly "on your side" and my statement was open mindedly geard towards the possibilty that the bunker looking thing could simply be an air-raid shelter.....

I feel as though you have hi-jacked my post without reading my comment... ;)


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