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No Prussian Blue - No Holocaust

Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:43 am)

One of the great controversies of the Holocaust story is the presence or non presence of Prussian Blue.

Prussian Blue is a cyanide compound that would be the combination of cyanide, like hydrogen cyanide (HCN) with the element iron. Hydrogen cyanide is the lethal agent said to have been used at two of the camps, Auschwitz and Majdanek. HCN deposited on something that would contain iron atoms could combine with the element and form the compound known as Prussian Blue, a deep azure type of blue.

The questions of why or why not Prussian Blue found here but not there would involve -

Why isn't there any sign of Prussian Blue in the cellar (gas chamber) ruins of Cremas II and III?

The cellar walls were made of three or four courses of brick which can quite often contain significant amounts of iron. The ceiling was cast of concrete reinforced with a grid of iron rods. The support columns were cast around a columnar grid of iron rebar. There were supposed to have been wire mesh introduction columns for the pellets HCN to have been lowered. Blood from the victims splattered against the wall would have been a source for iron.

Prussian Blue is a very resilient compound, it even being used in artist paints.

On extant fumigation facilities at Auschwitz today there is still Prussian Blue adhered to the bricks on the exterior walls. Much of it is located right near the exhaust fan. Some of it shows up on brick in other places of the same structure which would show that Prussian Blue did and can form on something that isn't pure iron. The gas chambers would have been built out of the same brick as the fumigation facility.

So why none at the gas chambers? The concentrations weren't as strong for the gassings and the frequency of the gas presence would have been less, say Holocaust defenders. That could all be well and good but it wouldn't explain the problem of there being none or next to none.

Then we could be told by Holocaust defenders that the walls were coated with plaster or white washed with some kind of coating. But as things go typically with Holocaust 'facts' there are always other 'facts' that challenge them. Such as there being large light blue patches on the plastered walls of an alleged gas chamber at the camp Majdanek and claimed to be Prussian Blue.

See photo of this at - http://www.bonder.com/tour/part4.html

Thus, as far as the Prussian Blue story goes, we would have extant fumigation facilities at Auschwitz made of brick which shows considerable formation and deposition of the compound, in the alleged gas chambers made of brick we have none or next to none and at Majdanek we have it showing up galore on plastered walls.

Holocaust defenders can't say Prussian Blue can't form on brick.

The only thing they have to explain why none on the walls of Cremas II and III is to say the walls were plastered or white washed which is countered by the claims that there is Prussian Blue on plastered walls at Majdanek.

Thus, there is no legitimate reason for why there wouldn't be any Prussian Blue compound showing up on the walls of the Crema II and III cellars other than there never was any extensive use of HCN.

No Prussian Blue - No Holocaust.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:01 am)

So called 'eyewitness', Daniel Bennahmias, claimed the alleged gas chambers walls were PAINTED after each gassing. Even if true, that would simply lock in the HCN in the mortar and concrete. There is no cyanide residue to be found which would indicate mass gassings as alleged.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:25 pm)

TMoran wrote: The cellar walls were made of three or four courses of brick which can quite often contain significant amounts of iron.

Brick contains iron. Therefore the color red. All bricks are porous, as is concrete. (Ferro cement boats and swimming pools have to have a layer of epoxy in order to be water proof).
And it stands to reason to assume that the same brickyard supplied bricks for the disinfestation chambers as well as other structures in Auschwitz.
Whitewash is also porous.
We used concrete foundations with reinforcement steel as perfect ground mats (conductor to ground) for industrial and utility applications.

The concentrations weren't as strong for the gassings and the frequency of the gas presence would have been less, say Holocaust defenders.


The Holocaust people have no proof, no documentation for this.
They base their belief on Directives for the Use of Prussic Acid (Zyklon) for the Destruction of Vermin (Disinfestation)
http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconzyklon.html
according to which 1mg. of HCN per kg. of body weight is sufficient to kill a human being. Rudolf made some calculations in his “Gutachten”, how long it would take for a normal person to absorb this amount through breathing.
He also made a calculation to determine the required amount of Zyklon B. According to it a massive amount of 20kg or 20 cans of Zyklon B would be required to kill a person standing in the farthest corner of the alleged “gas chamber” within ten minutes as maintained by the witnesses.
:D
The Holocaust hoaxsters exaggerate and embellish a 60+ year old event in order to abuse the Palestinians and rob them of their land, while claiming a free pass for their barbaric conduct on account of the "holocaust".

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Re: No Prussian Blue - No Holocaust

Postby Hektor » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:59 pm)

Given the building materials in question. Would there be any reason (or conditions) under which Prussian Blue would not form, when the materials were exposed to HCN stemming from Zyklon B insertions.

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Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:27 pm)

Hannover wrote:So called 'eyewitness', Daniel Bennahmias, claimed the alleged gas chambers walls were PAINTED after each gassing. Even if true, that would simply lock in the HCN in the mortar and concrete. There is no cyanide residue to be found which would indicate mass gassings as alleged.

- Hannover


This claim was depicted in The Grey Zone (2001) where sonderkommandos first wash the chamber and then paint it over.
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And this was supposedly done during the busy "Hungarian Action".
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: Re:

Postby Hannover » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:31 pm)

HeiligeSturm wrote:
Hannover wrote:So called 'eyewitness', Daniel Bennahmias, claimed the alleged gas chambers walls were PAINTED after each gassing. Even if true, that would simply lock in the HCN in the mortar and concrete. There is no cyanide residue to be found which would indicate mass gassings as alleged.

- Hannover
This claim was depicted in The Grey Zone (2001) where sonderkommandos first wash the chamber and then paint it over.
And this was supposedly done during the busy "Hungarian Action".

So how did that work?
It's also claimed that each batch of up to 2000 were gassed in 'an efficient, assembly line, industry-like manner', in mere minutes while another batch waited outside, standing in line thinking they were about to receive showers.

Debunking of the alleged gassing process, recommended:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10798&p=80969&hilit=hannover+asmarques#p80969

H.

Look for the US Zionists in control to pass anti free speech laws which will ban scrutiny and free speech of the impossible 'holocaust' storyline, like has been done is much of 'democratic' Europe.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Re:

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:12 pm)

Hannover wrote:
HeiligeSturm wrote:
Hannover wrote:So called 'eyewitness', Daniel Bennahmias, claimed the alleged gas chambers walls were PAINTED after each gassing. Even if true, that would simply lock in the HCN in the mortar and concrete. There is no cyanide residue to be found which would indicate mass gassings as alleged.

- Hannover
This claim was depicted in The Grey Zone (2001) where sonderkommandos first wash the chamber and then paint it over.
And this was supposedly done during the busy "Hungarian Action".

So how did that work?
It's also claimed that each batch of up to 2000 were gassed in 'an efficient, assembly line, industry-like manner', in mere minutes while another batch waited outside, standing in line thinking they were about to receive showers.

Debunking of the alleged gassing process, recommended:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10798&p=80969&hilit=hannover+asmarques#p80969

H.

Look for the US Zionists in control to pass anti free speech laws which will ban scrutiny and free speech of the impossible 'holocaust' storyline, like has been done is much of 'democratic' Europe.


It would be impossible to have this painting and gassing operation going on simultaneously.
Not to mention that the paint would absorb at least some Zyklon B in it and there would be traces of it unless the Germans dismantled all of the inner walls, which most certainly didn't happen.

I don't personally believe in these claims but movies like The Grey Zone and Saul Fia are probably made to fix the (ever changing) storyline for the masses. And these movies inspire also "new" survivors to come forth with their amazing stories, like what happened after Schindler's List.
But "visually amazing" Spielberg didn't dare to even show the alleged gas chambers or the gassing method in his movie.
Even one of the supposed sonderkommandos, Morris Venezia, wouldn't describe the gas chamber (or like he pronounces: gaz zamber),
because he can't.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: No Prussian Blue - No Holocaust

Postby Dresden » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:59 pm)

Hannover said:

"This claim was depicted in The Grey Zone (2001) where sonderkommandos first wash the chamber and then paint it over.
And this was supposedly done during the busy "Hungarian Action".

So how did that work?
It's also claimed that each batch of up to 2000 were gassed in 'an efficient, assembly line, industry-like manner', in mere minutes while another batch waited outside, standing in line thinking they were about to receive showers"


It is also claimed that the next batch of waiting Jews were given a towel and a little bar of soap.....so, maybe instead of a towel and a little bar of soap, all the naked Jews were given a paint brush and a little bucket of paint.

That would agree with German efficiency.
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Re: No Prussian Blue - No Holocaust

Postby hermod » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:01 pm)

Why would the Germans have painted the walls of their alleged homicidal gas chambers after each gassing in the first place? Assuming some doomed Jews had known what some Prussian blue patches meant (what is very unlikely), it was too late anyway since they were of course already inside the gas chambers when they were able to see such blue patches.

Holohoaxsters are trapped. They have to dismiss their sacrosanct witnesses in order to explain why there are no blue patches in the alleged Nazi homicidal gas chambers. With concentrations of hydrogen cyanide supposedly too low to lead to the formation of Prussian blue (iron cyanide) on & in the walls of the alleged Nazi homicidal gas chambers, exterminationist historians must concede that the gassing times 'reported' by their dear witnesses are total BS (much too short). And when they concede that Holo-witnesses were wrong about that, they also concede that the probative value of testimonies is not as high as claimed, i.e. that their file is full of useless & unreliable 'evidence.'
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Re: No Prussian Blue - No Holocaust

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:35 pm)

Dresden wrote:It is also claimed that the next batch of waiting Jews were given a towel and a little bar of soap.....so, maybe instead of a towel and a little bar of soap, all the naked Jews were given a paint brush and a little bucket of paint.

That would agree with German efficiency.

Henryk Mandelbaum claimed there was also a toothbrush.
That would indeed agree with German efficiency. :wink:
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe


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