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Franz Stangl Testimony?

Postby oberststuhlherr » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:12 pm)

Franz Stangl does anybody know about the trial of Franz Stangl? What is the content and value of his testimony?
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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:43 pm)

I just pulled this from IHR and it's good stuff.

The latest reminiscences to appear in print are those of Franz Stangl, the former commandant of the camp at Treblinka in Poland who was sentenced to life imprisonment in December 1970. These were published in an article by the London Daily Telegraph Magazine, October 8th, 1971, and were supposed to derive from a series of interviews with Stangl in prison. He died a few days after the interviews were concluded. These alleged reminiscences are certainly the goriest and most bizarre yet published, though one is grateful for a few admissions by the writer of the article, such as that "the evidence presented in the course of his trial did not prove Stangl himself to have committed specific acts of murder" and that the account of Stangl's beginnings in Poland "was in part fabrication." A typical example of this fabrication was the description of Stangl's first visit to Treblinka. As he drew into the railway station there, he is supposed to have seen "thousands of bodies" just strewn around next to the tracks, "hundreds, no, thousands of bodies everywhere, putrefying, decomposing." And "in the station was a train full of Jews, some dead, some still alive ... it looked as if it had been there for days." The account reaches the heights of absurdity when Stangl is alleged to have got out of his car and "stepped kneedeep into money: I didn't know which way to turn, which way to go. I waded in papernotes, currency, precious stones, jewellery and clothes. They were everywhere, strewn all over the square." The scene is completed by "whores from Warsaw weaving drunk, dancing, singing, playing music", who were on the other side of the barbed wire fences. To literally believe this account of sinking "kneedeep" in Jewish bank-notes and precious stones amid thousands of putrefying corpses and lurching, singing prostitutes would require the most phenomenal degree of gullibility, and in any circumstances other than the Six Million legend it would be dismissed as the most outrageous nonsense. The statement which certainly robs the Stangl memoirs of any vestige of authenticity is his alleged reply when asked why he thought the Jews were being exterminated: "They wanted the Jews' money," is the answer. "That racial business was just secondary." The series of interviews are supposed to have ended on a highly dubious note indeed. When asked whether he thought there had been "any conceivable sense in this horror," the former Nazi commandant supposedly replied with enthusiasm: "Yes, I am sure there was. Perhaps the Jews were meant to have this enormous jolt to pull them together; to create a people; to identify themselves with each other." One could scarcely imagine a more perfect answer had it been invented.


Faurisson testified that he had been in contact with Gitta Sereny, author of the book Into that Darkness, an "extremely vague" account of Treblinka. Faurisson asked her why she had never asked Stangl any questions about the gas chambers in Treblinka, such as their location and who operated them. She replied to Faurisson that she 'didn't think of it'


Nuff said?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:01 pm)

oberststuhlherr,

The Stangl nonsense is clobbered here:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=87

for more, search 'Stangl' at this forum

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:54 pm)

Here's a portion of my reply in the thread referred to by Hannover. Actually in the past I did much longer treatment on what Stangl said about cremating Jews on "roasters" (rail tracks laid and stanchions) with the bodies on top. The part pasted here has been slightly edited from the one in the referred to thread.

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I won't bother asking what 'frank' means. As far as I can see it's nothing more than some talk about how the person Stangl moralized on what he is said to have done and nothing in way of any details.

Here's why -

When asked during his later trial how many people could be murdered in
one day, Franz Stangl, attesting to his days as commandant of Treblinka, answered:

"Regarding the question of the optimum amount of people gassed in one
day, I can state: according to my estimation a transport of thirty
freight cars with 3,000 people was liquidated in three hours. When the
work lasted for about fourteen hours, 12,000 to 15,000 people were
annihilated. There were many days that the work lasted from the early
morning until the evening . ."

We can have it from this same Franz Stangl for when he came to be
commandant at Sobibor they exterminated up to 15,000 a day there also.
(We can have for Belzec up to 10,000 a day.)

Thus with Stangl's testimony alone we have it some 30,000 Jews a day were exterminated at just two camps.

Then we have from Stangl, ala Sereny's book him attesting to the dimensions of the cremation grill ("roaster") at Sobibor and up to 3,000 people at a time being cremated on the thing. Putting all the arithmetic together concerning the length and width and height off the ground we would have Stangl attesting to a Holocaust body being cremated with a piece of wood about the size of a carton of cigarettes.

Stangl's stuff is so blantantly idiotic it appears he's one of those Germans who intentionally proposed super absurdities in order to stigmatize the credibility of the story.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:16 pm)

Tom Moran says poetically:
... we would have Stangl attesting to a Holocaust body being cremated with a piece of wood about the size of a carton of cigarettes.

Apparently 'holocau$t' bodies don't require laws of science to miraculosly vanish. Tom's comment reminds me of 'Auschwitz expert', Van Pelt, who claims that Jews were cremated at Auschwitz with the equivalent of a shoebox of coke.

There you have it, 'holocau$t science' 101; wood in the amount of a carton of cigarettes, coke in the amount of a shoebox; both capable of cremating a human corpse.

No wonder they have to arrest Revisionists to prevent free speech.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:45 am)

Note that the alleged mass grave at Treblinka of an alleged 900,000 Jews has never been shown to exist, never. Therefore, judeo-supremacist Sereny's claims about Stangl are laughable.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:36 pm)

Something interesting on the Stangl trial from deathcamps.org

In providing his evidence, Zabecki was asked if Stangl had visited the railway station in Treblinka. He confirmed this fact and also described how Stangl had visited local villages when Ukrainian guardsmen escaped from the camp. This was a very important moment for the court, because prior to Zabecki’s evidence, Stangl had denied that he was the commandant of Treblinka and had stated that he was not in the camp at the time of the mass murders.

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/zabecki.html

My guess is that the phrasing "not in the time camp at the time of the mass murders" may have derived from Stangl originally stating that no mass murder took place during his time in the camp. But we would have to take a look at trial/interrogation records to check if my hinch is correct.

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Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:56 pm)

Faurisson testified that he had been in contact with Gitta Sereny, author of the book Into that Darkness, an "extremely vague" account of Treblinka. Faurisson asked her why she had never asked Stangl any questions about the gas chambers in Treblinka, such as their location and who operated them. She replied to Faurisson that she 'didn't think of it'

Other than the 1961-'62 Eichmann trial, alleged gas chambers were almost never mentioned in the media until 1978. Sereny interviewed Stangl on April 2nd, 1971, 7 years before the alleged Auschwitz and Treblinka gas chambers were seen in the 1978 Holocaust movie and received heavy media attention.

If Sereny had interviewed Stangl 10 years later in 1981, the alleged Treblinka gas chambers would have been one of her first questions.
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:48 am)

theTRUTH wrote:
Faurisson testified that he had been in contact with Gitta Sereny, author of the book Into that Darkness, an "extremely vague" account of Treblinka. Faurisson asked her why she had never asked Stangl any questions about the gas chambers in Treblinka, such as their location and who operated them. She replied to Faurisson that she 'didn't think of it'

Other than the 1961-'62 Eichmann trial, alleged gas chambers were almost never mentioned in the media until 1978. Sereny interviewed Stangl on April 2nd, 1971, 7 years before the alleged Auschwitz and Treblinka gas chambers were seen in the 1978 Holocaust movie and received heavy media attention.

If Sereny had interviewed Stangl 10 years later in 1981, the alleged Treblinka gas chambers would have been one of her first questions.


I think the non-mention of gas chambers is something perhaps somewhat true for the US, but not for Europe. There's plenty of vague gas chamber talk in Sereny's Into that Darkness. But the Holocaust surely came into the limelight in the 60's at the time of the Eichmann trial, before that it was indeed treated as a detail of WWII.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:57 am)

But the Holocaust surely came into the limelight in the 60's at the time of the Eichmann trial, before that it was indeed treated as a detail of WWII.

Yes, and the Eichmann show trial provided an all too convenient distraction from the rampant mass murders and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by judeo-supremacist / Zionist Israel.

Informative views on Eichmann and his show trial here:

THE REAL EICHMANN TRIAL or THE INCORRIGIBLE VICTORS
by PAUL RASSINIER
Translated from the original French
INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW
ÉDITIONS DE 'AAARGH
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/PRreal.pdf

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