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Why judeo-supremacists fear Muslims

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 1:39 am)

Imagine if 1 billion Muslims became 'holocau$t deniers'; judeo-supremacisms' worst nightmare. It's only a matter of time.

- Hannover

TEHRAN, March 6 (Reuters) - A senior Iranian cleric called on Friday for a book by a convicted French author questioning the Holocaust to be widely distributed in Moslem countries.

"I recommend that this book be translated and distributed in all Islamic countries, including Iran''.

- Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said in a Friday prayer sermon broadcast on Tehran radio

He was referring to the book ``The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics'' by French Moslem author Roger Garaudy which disputes the numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust and questions the existence of gas chambers in Nazi death camps.

"The trend among public opinion in the Arab world today -- whether we like it ot not -- is to question the veracity of the accepted wisdom about the extent of the killing of Jews by the Nazis."

-Rami Khouri, Toronto Globe and Mail, May 22, 2001


"instead of talking about the so-called Holocaust, (we) should have followed the doubts (about it) that are gaining momentum in the international arena and among leading European intellectuals."

- Iranian intellectual, Abdallah Horani
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 5:06 am)

Yes, and it's no doubt partially linked to the goading of the US to do something to Iran under the guise of preventing the producing of enriched uranium.

Amazingly in 1985 Zundel predicted this. Here's an excerpt from the ADL site
The First "False News" Trial

The next installment of his legal struggles began in 1985, when Zundel was charged under Section 177 of the Criminal Code of Canada for "knowingly publishing false news." The centerpieces of the trial, which began in January, were two Zundel mailings: a four-page letter entitled "The West, War, and Islam" and a thirty-page pamphlet entitled "Did Six Million Really Die?" While Zundel only added a foreword and conclusion to the latter, he composed "The West, War, and Islam" himself and mailed it to several hundred public figures in the Middle East. The letter warns Muslims that their enemies - particularly "international Zionists" -- were "goad[ing] the West into a future criminal war" against them. Zundel asked for financial support so that he could lead the fight against the Zionist misinformation campaigns and dispel the myth of the "so-called Holocaust," from which, he claimed, Zionists gain so much of their power.

http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/zundel. ... tem=zundel

Can you believe that? The guy was so far ahead of his time, that his assertion about the mideast would have seemed weird in even 1999 let alone 1985. Unbelievable!

He says something unbelievably prophetic and gets charged with spreading false news.

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Postby Ratatosk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 8:13 am)

Hannover: Yes, that would be their worst nightmare. I've read the Garaudy book, it is very powerful.

What kind of scenario do I see here? We Europeans in coalition with the Arabs against the Americans and the Jews. Because that is the side that you will remain on. With all your Christian Zionists, how could it be otherwise?

Their voting power can be counted in many millions. If, you can be damn sure about one thing in American politics. It is that the Americans will give unconditional support to Israel and the Zionists.

I actually don't think that, even when the holohoax get's exposed it will not change this fundamental thing in American politics.

A considerable part of your nation consists of religious lunatics, guided by personalities like Jerry and Pat. Muslim fundamentalism is nothing compared to this.

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Postby AshesAreBurning » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 10:32 am)

What kind of scenario do I see here? We Europeans in coalition with the Arabs against the Americans and the Jews. Because that is the side that you will remain on. With all your Christian Zionists, how could it be otherwise?

Their voting power can be counted in many millions. If, you can be damn sure about one thing in American politics. It is that the Americans will give unconditional support to Israel and the Zionists.

I actually don't think that, even when the holohoax get's exposed it will not change this fundamental thing in American politics


It's all true. Us Jews own the world. Read all about it in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I guess as a Jew should just behave and march myself off the closest gas chamber.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 11:55 am)

Ashes:

And what 'gas chambers' would that be? The ones that judeo-supremacists can't support in debate? Go ahead, big guy, let's see you start a thread on 'gas chambers' and we'll see the results.

I see you're trying the old strawman tactic ... making false arguments. No one here has said anything about the Protocols nor about Jews 'owning the world'.
Well, it should be said that Jews themselves claim that they have immense, overwhelming power in the media and other areas, far, far beyond their numbers. Want some quotes? Do we need to look at AIPAC money to US congressmen/women? Oops. You may need to work on those facts.

What you do though is dodge all the specifc rebuttals to exterminationist claims. I refer our readers to the other threads that you have started or attempted to join in. You seem to melt away without rational rebuttal.

I'm glad the moderators saw fit to allow your post. It is indeed revealing, especially since you dodged the growing Muslim recognition of the 'holocau$t' scam, the topic of this thread.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 12:42 pm)

Ashes,

That's all you can do is create a strawman instead of real debate isn't it? Well it's worked pretty well for your side in the past. :roll:

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Postby kk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 9:47 pm)

First:
We Europeans in coalition with the Arabs against the Americans and the Jews.

And then:
It's all true. Us Jews own the world. Read all about it in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I guess as a Jew should just behave and march myself off the closest gas chamber.


What a scam!

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 11:10 pm)

I agree with Ratatosk, it could, it has, come down to what he said:
What kind of scenario do I see here? We Europeans in coalition with the Arabs against the Americans and the Jews. Because that is the side that you will remain on. With all your Christian Zionists, how could it be otherwise?

But be careful about saying "you." It's clear what side the Americans posting here would be on! With the Europeans of course.

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Postby comrade seinfeld » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 04, 2005 11:27 pm)

Hannover wrote:
He was referring to the book ``The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics'' by French Moslem author Roger Garaudy which disputes the numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust and questions the existence of gas chambers in Nazi death camps.


The book by Garaudy is available online at http://www.radioislam.org , where there are two chapters specifically dealing with "Holocaust" revisionism, called "The Myth of the Justice of Nuremberg" and "The Myth of the 'Holocaust'". This is not the result of any original research by Garaudy, but is a comprehensive account of the "Holocaust" revisionist position, which could be recommended to anyone wanting to find out the fundamentals of revisionism.

It should be pointed out that Garaudy, who must be a very old man by now, was originally the main theoretician of the French Communist Party, prior to the student unrest of 1968, after which he departed from a Stalinist position and became part of the New Left, which caused him to be expelled from the Communist Party. My first serious Marxist text I read as a teenager was by Garaudy in English translation, which was quite a brilliant book, although it was Stalinist orientated, so it is a mystery to me why he is now an avowed Moslem, which is very undialectical and anti-marxist.

I am not sure if he would identify with the Islamo-fascists, but I think that perhaps he became disillusioned with what could be the utopianism of a radical socialist position, and so therefore thought that by being a Moslem he was getting with the strength as far as an anti-capitalist position was concerned. It is, of course, a capitalist European culture that Garaudy was always opposed to, so he would not have any problem identifying with the generally anti-European Islamists.

I have thought that perhaps in accordance with the exigencies of the ecological imperative that any form of socialism would be essentially utopian, and so a post-captialist ecologically viable society would be essentially fascistic, which may or may not be racialistic. But such a fascist society would be socially retrogressive, whereas it is necessary to be socially progressive in orientation, otherwise you simply become a reactionary with nothing new to offer. Therefore rather than give up a marxist perspective for some irrational religious cause, it is necessary to criticize capitalism from a radical neo-marxist perspective, and seek however possible radical social reform which takes into account the ecological imperative, without descending to fascist barbarism, in a spirit of social optimism.

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Postby Ratatosk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu May 05, 2005 12:23 am)

But be careful about saying "you." It's clear what side the Americans posting here would be on! With the Europeans of course.


Yes, Carto. I'm aware of that. It was my intention to make a provocative post. Because I think that the current political situation in the US with the christian zionists is a major problem, that you guys have to deal with.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu May 05, 2005 1:52 am)

Hi Ratatosk,

You're very right. Christian zionist America is huge, and when that group watches the "electric Jew" (aka the television) it's a lethal combination that can't be beat! Without the holocaust, the bottom would fall out of the "holy" alliance. The biggest losers are cool 18 year old boys just out of high school.

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Postby AshesAreBurning » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu May 05, 2005 3:51 pm)

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Hi Ratatosk,

You're very right. Christian zionist America is huge, and when that group watches the "electric Jew" (aka the television) it's a lethal combination that can't be beat! Without the holocaust, the bottom would fall out of the "holy" alliance. The biggest losers are cool 18 year old boys just out of high school.



It's easy to make such a poisonous comment behind a computer screen. WOuld you say this to me in person?

TBS,BET,CNN. Are they "Electric Jews"?

What abot BBC, ITN, ABC?

or USA Today, Phila. Inquirer, Wash Post?

Should I go on??

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu May 05, 2005 4:14 pm)

Ashes,
It's curious to me how you are so quick to criticize those that claim there is judeo-supremacist bias and censorship in the media. Here from the horses mouth we have explicit admittance of the facts.

It's no wonder we have the lies of the 'holocau$t' as alleged crammed own our throats day & night with no other views allowed.

- Hannover

"Jewish economic influence and power are disproportionately concentrated in Hollywood, television, and in the news industry...(their power is) pound for pound the greatest of any ethnic/cultural group in America."

- Stephen Steinlight (2001); former Director of the National Affairs of the American Jewish Committee

"The fact is that Jews get just about the most favorable media treatment of any group in this country ... Not only are we not covered unfairly but we are, in fact, portrayed incredibly favorably ..."

(Jewish Journal, Los Angeles, April 7, 2000, p. 66)

"The chief executives of the 3 major TV networks & the 4 largest film studios are Jews, as are the owners of the nation's largest newspaper chain & the most influential newspaper, the NY Times."

- 'The Fatal Embrace', by Benjamin Ginsburg, 1993

JTA | News at a Glance | May 14, 2001 The Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal center condemned a Holocaust-deniers conference held in Jordan. The meeting, sponsored by the Jordanian Writers Union, was "yet another step in a systematic effort under way in the Arab world to deconstruct Jewish history," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, the center's associate dean

"There's a feeling in Hollywood that if you've made a documentary that's been nominated for an Oscar and you're up against a film about the Holocaust, your movie doesn't have a prayer of winning..."

- Joe Baltake, film critic, Sacramento Bee, May 11, 2001, p. 18 of TICKET

" ... the freedom of the press belongs to those who own the presses. And it's true."

- Jonathan Tobin, Editor of the weekly The Jewish Ledger (West Hartfort, USA), quoted in the Jewish Chronicle (London), Aug. 25, 1995, p. 19

"If the Jewish media lords cheat you about Palestine, why do you think they are honest in any other way?"

- Israel Shamir, Israeli writer & journalist

"The Holocaust Industry is but a branch of the Anti-Semitism Manufacture, a two-pronged weapon: it pumps money from Gentiles and forces Jews into obedience to the leaders of the community."

- Israel Shamir, Israeli journalist

this dominance is nothing new:
"Propaganda is in the hands of the Jews who control almost 100% radio, film, daily/periodical press. This propaganda is extremely coarse & presents Germany as black as possible - above all religious persecution and concentration camps are exploited - this propaganda is extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and knows nothing of the situation in Europe."

- Ambassador Potocki, 1/12/39
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu May 05, 2005 4:55 pm)

It's easy to make such a poisonous comment behind a computer screen. WOuld you say this to me in person?

TBS,BET,CNN. Are they "Electric Jews"?

It's not a poisonous comment. But that is how you guys censor free speech: by saying a comment is "poisonous." In fact it's a comment that is in favor of 18 year olds not being shipped off to war.

Being behind a computer screen is good because it allows me to say what I really think and not be bullied by you.
WOuld you say this to me in person?

No, because you and your friends would likely attack me. That's how you work. Faurisson, Zundel, Cole: They've all been beat up. Watch Mr. Death and look at the interviews with Jewish women who try to force Leuchter out of his neighborhood.

BET (Black entertainment TV) isn't even owned by a black person last time I heard. TBS (Turner Broadcasting System) is owned by a conglomerate. Do you think this is 1985 and Ted Turner is still a big media owner/controller?

It's amazing how you're mad as hell by my reference to the tv set as "the electric Jew" but meanwhile it's probably never even crossed your mind how serious the accusation is that the Germans exterminated 6 million people through all sorts of torturous means. I'm sure that's different in your view. After all, how could anyone be offended by something (the holocaust) that's a known fact.

By the way: for any readers of this post outside the US, you really have to watch American t.v. to know what I'm talking about.

I know, AshesAreBurning, you're all like Woody Allen right? More like Jack Friedlander.

If I said this to your face, I'd probably be confessing to being a guard at Treblinka 15 minutes later. :lol:

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu May 05, 2005 5:26 pm)

The BBC and ITN are both run by Jews, Michael Grade and Greg Dyke I believe!


'A handful of people control the world's media. At this time there are only about six such people, soon there will be only four left - and it will include everything then: all newspapers, all magazines, all movies, all television. There was once a time when the media represented different opinions and views. Today there is only one opinion, which it takes four or five days to form - and then it's everyone's opinion.'

Nichols, Mike, Jewish-American director and Oscar winner


As quoted in: Nation & Europa, July/August 1999, p. 16


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