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Holo. Hist. Proj.'s Andrew Mathis humidity/gassing canard

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:30 pm)

Andrew Mathis, spokesman for the so called 'holocau$t' History Project, in trying to rationalize the lack of large amounts cyanide residue that should be found in the absurdly alleged 'gas chambers' of Auschwitz/Birkenau said:

... because there would be considerably more humidity in the room, the result would be a quicker release of gas.

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I understand Mathis postures himself as the representative of revisionism debunkers. Pretty funny since he debunks himself quite handily.

Mathis has the condensation process exactly backwards with Zyklon-B. Mathis claims the humidity condensation caused by chemical reactions enhanced the outgassing process. Rudolf shows that these same reactions caused the pellet load to cool and collect condensation. This cooling and moistening SLOWS outgassing - it does not quicken it as Mathis says. This is a simple fact anyone who poses himself as a gas chamber studier should know. That is why they heated Zyklon in the delousing machines.

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http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:13 am)

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BUT, I do feel it necessary to point out something else about humidity and HCN. Mathis does have the humidity/temperature relationship backwards, there's a reason why Leuchter emphasizes that gas chambers must be kept DRY.

HCN is extremely soluable in water. In a high humidity environment, HCN will quickly dissolve into the water in the air, and precipitate out as hydrocyanic acid. Until such time as either air pressure (which will be high in a closed, warm chamber), temperature or humidity or all three are reduced, (remember your Universal Gas Laws!) the HCN will remain in liquid form. This will dramatically increase the time it takes for the HCN to outgas from the Zyklon crystals, and the time needed to kill people - if they can be killed at all, the water in the bodies nearest the gas source will absorb the HCN, turning people into, as Rudolph has pointed out, biological gas filters. And, the higher the pressure, the more rareified the air, and the less gas that can be dissolved in it, reducing the dew point and creating more hydrocyanic acid.

Also - a thin pool of hydrocyanic acid would form on the floor just beneath the crystals. While HCN is a weak acid, nevertheless, it would eat away at the concrete on the floor, and create a visible staining pattern. If those introduction columns you hear so much about ever existed, the staining pattern would be in the outline of those columns, and that stain would still be visible today. The stains would also include some ferrocyanate and even common rust that would have dripped down from the iron in the wire introduction columns, which would not have been galvanized to make them acid proof.

The stain ain't there, is it? And, since hydrocyanic acid would not have been removed by any ventilation system - certainly not one working a crowded room full of dead bodies that are mainly water - when they opened the doors to the chamber, the drop in pressure, humidity and temperature means the pools of acid would have started conversion into gas, poisoning the workers. The more you go over the dynamics of what had to be, the less likely it becomes.

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Postby Vallon » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:45 am)

PLAYWRIGHT wrote:HCN is extremely soluable in water. In a high humidity environment, HCN will quickly dissolve into the water in the air, and precipitate out as hydrocyanic acid.
High humidity of the air just means that there are many free water molecules in the air, something like a few percent of the number of nitrogen molecules.

These H2O-molecules do not dissolve anything. They do not reduce the amount of HCN that is in the air.

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:09 am)

Vallon wrote:
PLAYWRIGHT wrote:HCN is extremely soluable in water. In a high humidity environment, HCN will quickly dissolve into the water in the air, and precipitate out as hydrocyanic acid.
High humidity of the air just means that there are many free water molecules in the air, something like a few percent of the number of nitrogen molecules.

These H2O-molecules do not dissolve anything. They do not reduce the amount of HCN that is in the air.


Take into account the high pressure and resultant rarification. The saturation point of the local atmosphere would have been quickly reached.

Reminder that on U-boats and other submarines not equipped with dehumidifiers (like the U.S. GATO class boats were), a visible fog could be seen around the lamps. Acidic water vapor (CO2 combines to form carbonic acid) was a source of maintenance problems on old submarines. Submarines were not as crowded as they claim these chambers were.

The free water in the chambers would swiftly condense into such aerosol. The iron on the alleged introduction columns would have supplied nodal points for condensation to form. Condensation would also have formed on the walls, but Rudolph addresses that better than I can.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:41 pm)

The humidity point is just one part of their attempt to claim that conditions were not right for the formation of cyanide residue on the walls of the alleged gas chambers, which is not there as it should be ... if the story was true. AND they need this absurd claim to force fit the bizarre & impossible claims of alleged 5-10 minute gassings of 2,000 Jews at a time.
Imagine, 500,000 alleged gassings claimed in one alleged gas chamber alone and no commensurate cyanide residue to be found. Imagine, 2,000 Jews gassed in five minutes using a slow outgassing insecticide product that would require at least 2 HOURS to kill as alleged.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 11 months ago (Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:46 pm)

We cannot wait to read Mathis's debate that is supposedly planned; my bet is that Mathis will weasel out. Having seen his lack of evidence for gas chambers readers can only realize there is no evidence.

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