Holo. Hist. Proj.'s Andrew Mathis on Zyklon scent removal

[Hannover]

Andrew Mathis said:

This is one reason why Zyklon-B without indicator was requisitioned for Auschwitz. It put off the amount of time before panic set in -- otherwise it would set in the moment they smelled the indicator.

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Another gaff by Mathis is his suggestion that Zyklon had its indicator substance removed in order to prevent those being gassed from knowing and panicking. This is silly since the alleged mesh columns would have had a clearly visible container of material being lowered on a string. Even non-mesh column chambers would have had pellets poured through the roof portals. How in the world would those inside not realize what was going on at that point? It's absurd to suggest that scented or unscented would make a difference at that point. This is just another case of so-called holocaust experts exposing their ineptitude and therefore the falseness of their claims.

By 1944 Zyklon was being supplied to Auschwitz without the warning ingredient, but the reason for this exceptional practice was a supply shortage rather than any desire, as alleged by Exterminationists, to deceive potential murder victims. One cause of considerable concern to some of the German technicians at the time was that since the warning ingredient also contributed to the chemical stability of the Zyklon-B, its removal could present a serious hazard to the end-user. One result of the removal of the warning ingredient seems to have been the shortening of the shelf-life of even properly sealed cans of Zyklon-B.

The removal of the warning scent was decided upon by the DEGESCH manufacturers and not by the SS. This came out during testimony given by Mr. Breitweiser during the course of the Auschwitz Frankfurt trial in 1961. Breitweiser was in charge of disinfestation at Auschwitz. He was never charged with or convicted of a crime.
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Hannover @ A. Mathis attempts to salvage Zyklon scent removal canard - M1]

The 'holocau$t' History Project nonsense bites the dust.

- Hannover

[PotPie]

Another gaff by Mathis is his suggestion that Zyklon had its indicator substance removed in order to prevent those being gassed from knowing and panicking.

This tells me that Mathis has never read any of the major witness accounts, or selectively quoted them like the other writers hoping nobody has taken the time to read these accounts and note the contradictions, for the accounts all claim that the people in the chambers panicked when the gas was released, screams could be heard far and wide, that they sometimes put up resistance to being herded into these gas chambers, and that they often knew in advance of even getting there what their fate would be. Filip Mueller's book Eyewitness Auschwitz is full of such accounts as these, including stories of Jews praying in the chambers and Gypsies having sex, from the same book cited by 'historians' such as Hilberg and Bauer.

It also certainly makes no sense that people would be standing there calmly until they saw those next to them begin to drop dead after which mass-panic would occur. I think it was Nyiszli who claimed that the lights were turned off once the door was shut. This alone would have likely caused panic. Secondly, people would not have stood calmly until someone near them dropped dead, for by that time, everyone would be suffering from the effects of the poison on their own accord.

Why does it matter to have scentless gas used for homicidal gassings when the victims are in a locked and sealed area and unable to exit it? They're locked in and can't get out - so who cares if they smell it and scream?

This, of course, does not include aroused suspicions when one is herded toward a building emitting a heavy pall of smoke with a strong, noxious smell of burning flesh and hair, with flames shooting from the chimneys.

Is Mr. Mathis saying these witnesses aren't telling the truth?

[Haldan]

Auschwitz is full of such accounts as these, including stories of Jews praying in the chambers and Gypsies having sex, from the same book cited by 'historians' such as Hilberg and Bauer.

Wow, that is sick. I sometimes find myself wondering what type of condition lying Filip 'a buck for a schmaltz' Müller is in. Surely these liars must be deranged.

-haldan

[PotPie]

Auschwitz is full of such accounts as these, including stories of Jews praying in the chambers and Gypsies having sex, from the same book cited by 'historians' such as Hilberg and Bauer.

Wow, that is sick. I sometimes find myself wondering what type of condition lying Filip 'a buck for a schmaltz' Müller is in. Surely these liars must be deranged.

-haldan

The idea is that the Gypsies were brought in for liquidation and they knew what their fate would be, so once they got into the chambers some of them decided to go out with a bang.

[PotPie]

Speaking of contradictions:

Hilberg's Documents of Destruction, page 212 lists this hearsay testimony in a section called Additional Eyewitness Reports:

"They are told that they must get rid of their lice; and then they must take off their clothes, and then they come into a room, where first off they get a hot blast of air which is already mixed with a small dose of gas. That is enough to make them unconscious. The rest comes after. And then they are burnt immediately."

[Holycaust]

By 1944 Zyklon was being supplied to Auschwitz without the warning ingredient, but the reason for this exceptional practice was a supply shortage rather than any desire, as alleged by Exterminationists, to deceive potential murder victims.

Is it possible this may also have been done as a cost cutting measure? I have heard that Zyklon B wasn't exactly cheap to make.

[PotPie]

By 1944 Zyklon was being supplied to Auschwitz without the warning ingredient, but the reason for this exceptional practice was a supply shortage rather than any desire, as alleged by Exterminationists, to deceive potential murder victims.

Is it possible this may also have been done as a cost cutting measure? I have heard that Zyklon B wasn't exactly cheap to make.

Here again comes the point of the massive cost to ship them to Birkenau and spend the money on manufactured chemicals when a simple bullet in the head in whatever village they have been in followed by an on-site cremation or mass-burial would have been much more cost-efficient. Mind you, there was never a budget for such a program of transportation/execution of Jews.

Clearly Mathis was trying to present the scentless Zyklon as one of Pressac and Van Pelt's "slips" and it went down in flames rather quickly. In reading Pressac and Van Pelt, I've been able to shoot down a number of their "slips" down similarly easily with some basic logic. These guys aren't even meeting their own standard of "no other explanation except homicidal" before claiming something to be a "slip."

[Hektor]

Andrew Mathis said:

This is one reason why Zyklon-B without indicator was requisitioned for Auschwitz. It put off the amount of time before panic set in -- otherwise it would set in the moment they smelled the indicator.

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Another gaff by Mathis is his suggestion that Zyklon had its indicator substance removed in order to prevent those being gassed from knowing and panicking. This is silly since the alleged mesh columns would have had a clearly visible container of material being lowered on a string. ...

... Except Pressing people into a room, would already be alarming before anything else happens. Besides that, what would be the problem with a panic, when everyone was already locked up in the "gas chamber".