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Zyklon-B wire mesh insertion devices debunked

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed May 14, 2003 9:47 pm)

The Believers assert that Zyklon-B was inserted in to the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz/Birkenau via wire-mesh insertion columns, alleged example shown here:

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See mock-up here:

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There's a problem with this:

- The story alleges death by gassing of thousands of people, at one time, in very large underground gas chambers at Auschwitz/Birkenau within mere minutes.

- Zyklon-B works most efficiently when spread out over a large surface where air can reach it, allowing the cyanide to be released from the carrier material.
This would not be the case if restrained by these alleged devices. These narrow, wire mesh contraptions would cause the Zyklon-B to be bunched together, making it a very time consuming process for the cyanide to exit the carrier material and spread to all areas of the alleged large underground gas chambers at A/B.

- No matter how the 'holocau$t' Industry attempts to slice & dice the story, it becomes readily apparent that the alleged 'gassings' were utterly impossible as alleged.

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Postby grapple » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu May 15, 2003 9:39 am)

It is not surprising that it was a revisionist who made a reconstruction of the Zyklon-B induction device because just looking at it shows how bad a design it was. Just looking at this device raises the following questions, which I doubt that the Holocaust Promoters could answer.

1. The wire mesh would have been damaged easily by the victims. Are there any reports about having to fix the induction device? Damage to the induction device could make withdrawing the Zyklon-B impossible, if so it would slow down the Gassing process since it would be impossible to air out the Gas Chamber until it was repaired or until the outgassing was complete
2. There was no way to heat the Zyklon-B in order to speed up the outgassing of the HCN even though it was being used in rooms designed as a morgue and place half underground in order to keep it cool.
3. There was no mechanical ventilation of the Zyklon induction device to quickly spread the HCN around the room.
4. IF gassing only took 15 to 20 minutes what was done with the Zyklon-B that had not completed outgassing after the victims were dead. Was it reused for the next batch of prisoners and more Zyklon-B added on top? Where did the Germans dispose of the used Zyklon-B, did they have some sort of dump near the Gas Chamber. If they had a dump, has it been found and excavated since having a large amount of used Zyklon-B pellets plus the empty cans near the supposed Gas Chambers would seem to me to be important evidence. Who had the job of carrying away the used Zyklon-B and how did he protect himself from the HCN
5. Why did they use this primitive induction device when they had a heated and ventilated device that was used in the Delousing Chambers that was specifically designed for use with Zyklon-B
6. Why even use Zyklon-B gas chambers when the Diesel exhaust Gas Chambers at Treblinka seemed to be more capable since in a years time they killed more than 800,000 people. Also at Treblinka they managed to dispose of all these bodies without the use of expensive crematories using the special German method of burying the bodies, digging up the rotting corpses and burning them in pits.

Or should I stop asking questions, be a good Believer and put my money in the collection plate

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu May 15, 2003 3:30 pm)

Actually the device as shown on the drawing is even flimsier than the model itself. The latter, as flimsy as it appears, looks much more rigid than the one on the design drawing, which specifies the inner mesh as 25 x 25 mm (1 inch x 1 inch) and the outher mesh with 45mm x 45mm (2 inch x 2 inch), which resembles more a chicken wire cage.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu May 15, 2003 4:28 pm)

The inner container of the wire mesh introduction device has screening specified that would be comparable to what we find on the windows of homes to keep out bugs.

Take one fan. Take some light weight material as streamers and tie to stick. Turn on fan to see how the streamers will flutter. Then insert standard window screening between and see how it flutters less.

Take two trays of ice cubes and wrap them in some window screening. Take two more trays and lay out on some surface. See which batch of ice melts first.

Surface area. The more surface area exposed the faster something evaporates or melts.

Ah yes, home experiments to show Holocaust nonsense. Holocaust home experiments can be fun too.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu May 15, 2003 9:11 pm)

grapple wrote:6. Why even use Zyklon-B gas chambers when the Diesel exhaust Gas Chambers at Treblinka seemed to be more capable since in a years time they killed more than 800,000 people.

Our friend Höß says that the carbon monoxide from engines killing method was unreliable and did not always kill the victims, which was very unsettling. The Zyklon method eliminated the SS ever needing to administer a coup de grace.

Now if the killing method at Treblinka really was carbon monoxide there would certainly be no need to administer any killing graces.

Of course, if the killing method really were diesel engines, the reliability of the method would be even more dubious that Höß claims. It would have been a fiasco.

On the other hand, Gerstein claims that Wirth was so impressed with his own death-by-diesel establishment that he begs him not to switch to the dangerous Zyklon insecticide. This the disinfektion expert Gerstein was only too happy to oblige since he was a resister of the regime all along.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:04 pm)

As there is a discussion currently underway that mentions the alleged time involved in gassing people vs. gassing lice, it must be stated that these goofy alleged devices would have actually slowed the time required for the cyanide to exit its carrier material. These devices would have caused the supposedly used pesticide, Zyklon-B granules, to lie in a bunched-up/piled-up state, thereby drastically limiting the exposure of the granules to air and significantly slowing the cyanide release time.

So, the wild stories by the 'eyewitesses' stating that everyone was allegedly killed in '5 minutes' is utterly impossible and yet another indicator of lying.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:22 pm)

I bet Nizkor or anyone else, cannot produce an original drawing for these pathetic contraptions.

I also suggest, that no physical original example of these stupid little codge-up's has ever been seen.

These lies evolved because the hollow piers lie fell flat on it's face..That's why these abysmal object's evolved.

The corners look like they are made from a piece of plasterers 'Angle-bead'

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:28 pm)

Wrong !

That pile of junk would leak, because they have no up-stand where the damp-proofing abuts the shaft. The bituimous damproofing after abutting the shaft should then turn up 90 degrees to at least two inches above the top of the gravel and earth. The top of the chimney should be at least 'six inches above the top of the gravel and soil, especially on an exposed part of the building like the roof.


Gravel and earth would act like a sponge and stay permanately saturated.
The water would sit on the top of the roof slab, and work it's way under the little chimney and drop down the joint between where the roof slab abuts the the stupid shaft whose face is made of mesh (It's not a column, because columns are round in section and lift from their base vertically)

They do not specify what the 'little chimney' is made of either. If it was made of brick it would be barely 3 1/2 courses high. It too has no damp course and would soon fail and allow water ingress, because it would be constantly drawing water from the constantly wet slab it is sat on, and the constantly wet earth that is abuting it

Water would also drive under the wooden cover (which has NO weathering on it. i.e. It's flat) Because there is nothing protecting the horizontal joint between the bottom of the cover and the top of the 'little chimney'.

There is no oversail on the cover past the face of the bricks either, so any water that rolled off the cover would just roll straight across the horizontal joint between the cover and chimney top. And a large percentage would be drawn through by capillary traction.

Who-ever drew this dismal and child like attempt to realise their 6 million fantasies, is a clueless moron, who knows absolutely nothing about leadwork (copper in America) and exterior weatherproofing.

Pathetic!

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:23 am)

What are the explainations in regard to the 38cm's (15") of gravel and earth.

I mean, it all looks very nice and practical from the synthetic confines of the boardroom.

But what is binding it together to stop it turning into a mud bath at the first sign of rain ? They show no sign of plant matter on their rubbishy drawings

What sort of methods are employed, to contain this mass of sodden mud and gravel around the periphery of the roof slab.

Is there some sort of retaining wall build around the roof slab to stop it all rolling of the edge during a downpour as it turns into a wallowing slurry.

If it did have a retaining wall. How would it drain itself, considering it's sat on concrete surrounded by walls to contain it ?

What is the purpose of piling 15" of mud on the roof?

Just what were the Germans thinking when they decided to create a quagmire on the roof?

Whoever had the job of going up onto the roof, I only hope the German administration had the foresight to issue him with knee lenght rubber waders.

Slop...Slop...Slop !

I said:

If it was made of brick it would be barely 3 1/2 courses high.


Which was wrong, it would be about 'six' courses high. Which I suppose is starting to become acceptable for a small 'dwarf wall'.

But it would still leak like a sieve, because it is appallingly designed, and has absolutely no weather proofing and flashing what-so-ever.

For every charge of Zyklon that went down the shaft, add a couple of pints of water too it!

God knows what it would be like during the winter months, The floor of the morgue would be a swimming pool.

Maybe that's what the drains in the floor were for hey?

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:32 am)

And another over-looked point is the weight of all this mud !

By having 45cm or 18" of waterlogged mud on the roof, you are adding an incredible amount of weight to the roof. To put it into perspective a metre cubed contains 1,000 litres of water, each litre of water weighs 1 Kilo or 2.2 pounds.

A cubic foot of water weighs 62 pounds and contains 7.4 gallons, each gallon weighs 8 pounds or 3.7 kilograms.

How much water would this 18" inches of mud absorb that is spread all over the roof ?

And how much would it weigh ?

Tons and tons is the answer!

Is this structure designed to carry such useless weight ? Weight that seems to serve no purpose!

I do not think the roof is designed for these unecessary massive overhead loads. And the reason this mud is on this roof is to make the supposed induction shafts low profile, and discreet. Because not a single photo exists to show these crappy induction shafts in their full glory.

'Oh! But they are hard to spot because they are surrounded by mud'

Oh how convenient !

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:50 pm)

Typical and traditional European leadwork around a chimney, that exit's through the shell of a building. Slightly different in both materials and method than the American way. But both methods have the same amount of work involved and are designed to achieve the same purpose.

Note the joker who drew that crap above, has not even entertained the notion of including weatherproofing in his design. Because they are making it up as they go along and don't know what they are talking about. That's why!

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We cower in our shelters, with our hands over our ears

Wiesenthal and the industry drag on, for years and years and years.

One day an earthquake hits their swindling little theatre, but their putrid operetta lingers

Then the Piano lid comes down, and breaks all their F*****g fingers.......It's a miracle!

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:55 pm)

Has anyone seen a first hand example of one of these roofs covered with this 18'' of mud? I mean are they there to see at the Labour camps today, exactly like they are represented here, with relation to the mud ?

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:31 pm)

John Ball says on Krema II Roof Slab:

The left hole in the foreground of the previous photo, which the author climbed though in 1993. The hole was made by breaking the 10 centimeter thick cement slab ( 4 inches) and cutting the reinforcing rods. The cut rods were then bent back away from the hole. The hole is 85 by 50 centimeters, large enough for people to easily climb through, and large enough to be readily visible on 1944 air photos, which it is not.


http://www.air-photo.com/english/foto4k2.html

The Industry states on their stupid drawing '22cm' slab that's '9 inches'. Strange, that's over double!

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:50 pm)

The four inch thick slab is 100ft by 30ft. It has 1ft 6 inches of mud on it

(We will use the calculation of dry mud, for wet mud you might at least like to half it again maybe double it.

=> 100’ x 30’ x 1’6”
=> 4500ft3

OR

=> 30.48m x 9.144m x 0.4572m
=> 127.43m3

Using the density of soil as 2050kg/m3, the weight being carried by the roof is

=> 127.43m3 x 2050kg/m3
=> 261231.5kg
=> 261.23 tonnes

The four inch slab has to carry, not only it's own weight over a 30ft span. but even when dry

261.23 tonnes of dead weight !

Once again. I would be interested if anyone has ever seen this scenario at any of the camps ? Or whether there is proof that there was mud all over these roofs.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:47 pm)

http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/affweb.pdf



On page 13 Green quotes Nyiszli as saying the pellets were poured in and fell down into a lump at the bottom of the column. He then says the gas escaped through the perforations and killed the victims in 5 minutes. The Nazi executioners then callously waited another 5 minutes before leaving to make sure all were dead.

Nyiszli never mentions the pellets being withdrawn back up to roof. This is a total description of a gassing event that doesn't tell of the pellets being withdrawn back up to the roof. It simply says the pellets ended up in a lump at the bottom of the column. It also doesn't describe any extraction apparatus or removal bucket and rope.

It then specifically describes a special exhaust system designed for rapid ventilation. The "Exhator" device. - Meanwhile the bodies have fallen in front of the intake vents along the base of the wall. Dr Green covers this in one sentence where he says "blockage by corpses worked in the opposite direction."

Damn right it did doc...


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