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Allied attrocities against Germany and national-socialists

Postby IlluSionS667 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon May 21, 2007 9:21 am)

+ We know that the Maquis (French resistance) is responsible for the summary execution of many of Germany's finest men as well as continuous terror attacks against the German occupation forces, sometimes in the cruelest ways.

+ We know that the allies murdered at least several tens of thousands of people at the infamous Dresden bombing in a horrible hurricane of fire and that Dresden was not nearly the only city to suffer such a fate.

+ We know of the Dachau massacre, where hundreds of SS-men who had nothing to do with the nearby camp and who were just doing their job were brutally murdered AFTER their surrended.

+ We know of several cases where former camp guards were disemboweled of had their heads smashed in by both former inmates and their "liberators".

+ We know of the many show trials where politicians, propagandists and army men alike were hanged or shot for being "war criminals".

+ we know of the denazification attempts, which included concentration camps where starvation was common. We know that SS-men were sent to POW camps in Siberia and African colonies, from which many would never return. We know of the total lack of freedom of speech that existed in Europe during the late '40s.

+ We know of the Red Army plundering the property and raping the women wherever they passed.

+ We know of the American soldiers "collecting souvenirs" wherever they passed (which is just a euphemism for a behavior just a slightly bit more civilised than that of the Red Army soldiers).

+ We know of all occupation forces plundering Germany of its industries and its ancient forests, all in the name of "retribution".

etc. etc. etc.

Holocaust revisionists tend to spend a significant percentage of their time debunking the nonsense that comes out of the Holocaust industry. While I highly admire their contributions, it bothers me that the real Holocaust is rarely mentioned, with exception of the Dresden bombing every now and then.

Could you refer me to any quality web sources of books on the topic of allied attrocities against Germany or national-socialists? This event (also known as "the repression" in many European countries) is well-known but rarely ever given a serious academic look, even by revisionists. Nevertheless, these attrocities are crucial when putting the alleged German attrocities (real ones or not) in perspective, with the Germans coming out far more humane than the allies.
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Postby IlluSionS667 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 5:23 am)

In his "and Other War Crimes Trials: A New Look", Richard Harwood wrote some interesting chapters about this topic. James Bacque's books "Crimes and Mercies" and "Other Losses" (that are even controversial among revisionists) go further into this topic. Further, there are the many stories from survivors about this topic, many of which have been published either bundled or seperately for usually small audiences. I remember reading the testimony of an SS-man who lost 20 kilograms in one of the Allied camps and whoes health had decrease so severely that he would die just a few years later sometime in the '50s. I remember another testimony of female camp personnel who were locked up for days without food in a single room with just a single pot to use for releasing themselves that was never cleaned, meaning they've have to live in their own excrement for some time. This same witness told how she heard all kinds of screams throughout the night and how she saw an SS-men being disembowelled and then smashed his head in by one of the "liberators". Or what about the well-known event of the Maquis murdering a German by throwing him into a wine press and grinding him to death (which was the cause of the infamous destruction of the village of Oradour)? The tortures, rapes, theft, murders and other brutallities that collaborators experienced in formerly occupied countries is also wellknown and often acknowledged by official historians.

Why is so little attention given to this topic by modern day revisionists? Why is this thread ignored on this forum? Why would you ignore these facts that are more shocking than some of the claims made by the Holocaust industry?

Just because Bacque may have told some nonsense (I've never read his work, so I can't comment on them), that doesn't mean we should just ignore the whole issue. Right?

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 6:06 am)

IlluSionS667 wrote:Why is so little attention given to this topic by modern day revisionists? Why is this thread ignored on this forum? Why would you ignore these facts that are more shocking than some of the claims made by the Holocaust industry?


For the simple reason that this discussion forum deals with the gruel-propaganda claims stemming from the 'holocaust'. You would be surprised to know how many people I have discussed the above issue with and they often reply cynically that the Germans deserved whatever was bestowed upon them for what they (allegedly) did to the Jews - in the opinion of my discussion partners.

So perhaps when the claims of the alleged 'holocaust' are throughly dissected so that only the truth remains one can begin a broad discussion about what happend to the Germans during and after the war.

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Postby IlluSionS667 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 8:24 am)

Haldan wrote:For the simple reason that this discussion forum deals with the gruel-propaganda claims stemming from the 'holocaust'.


The gruel-propaganda about the Germans and the omission of the gruels from allied side in our history books are closely linked and relate to the same issue. Both function as part of an elaborate indoctrination program to convince the masses that German national-socialism is the ultimate evil and that American-style and French-style democracy are the summum of freedom and respect.

Only by dealing with both issues at the same time can we give a clear perspective of the difference between benevolent national-socialism and malevolent "democracy". Only by dealing with the atrocities of the allies can one show the masses that "democracy" and "communism" are not the lighted paths that saves the world from monstrous national-socialism. Otherwise, German national-socialism will always be villified unjustly, if only for the reason that it locked up dissidents, that it discriminated Jews or that it did not allow it's people to elect its leader... although these are fare more humane than the numerous attrocities committed by its enemies.

Haldan wrote:You would be surprised to know how many people I have discussed the above issue with and they often reply cynically that the Germans deserved whatever was bestowed upon them for what they (allegedly) did to the Jews - in the opinion of my discussion partners.


I know the feeling. Yet, I do not see why these ironic remarks should stop you from promoting this specific part of the truth, while actively encouraging views to come out that are actually illegal in about 10 countries.

Haldan wrote:So perhaps when the claims of the alleged 'holocaust' are throughly dissected so that only the truth remains one can begin a broad discussion about what happend to the Germans during and after the war.


Both issues are connected and we must therefor treat them as such.
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu May 31, 2007 8:29 am)

IlluSionS667 wrote:+ We know that the Maquis (French resistance) is responsible for the summary execution of many of Germany's finest men as well as continuous terror attacks against the German occupation forces, sometimes in the cruelest ways.


Robert Faurisson's "A Dry Chronicle of the Purge" is about the murders carried out by the Maquis in a French district:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/1 ... n5-30.html

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Postby Inquisitive » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:56 am)

This is probably old hat for you people but I just found this on David Irving's site. There's an organization for German Americans who were interned during the war. They wish to be recognized.

Our Mission Statement & Goals
GAIC is dedicated to making public the little known United States World War II policies that led to internment, repatriation and exchange of civilians of German ethnicity, both in the United States and Latin America.

We will educate the general public about the U.S. government's detention and internment of over 11,000 German American and Latin American citizens and residents during World War II.

We will reach out to former internees, their families and supporters. We will gather their stories, share information and support their efforts to make their stories known.

We will seek full U.S. government review and acknowledgment of the civil rights violations endured by the German American and Latin American communities.

We will work collaboratively with other internee groups who have similar purposes.

As we work toward these goals, we also hope that our efforts result in better protection of the civil liberties of future vulnerable ethnic groups.

http://www.gaic.info/index.html


The United States implemented three programs to identify and imprison civilians considered a threat to the country during the war years; the War Relocation Authority (WRA), the Enemy Alien Control Program and a State Department program in Latin America. In all three, both legal resident aliens and naturalized citizens whose ethnicity was suspect, were targeted.

The Latin American internment program is the least known. As the result of U.S. arrangements and financial support, thousands of civilians of German, Italian or Japanese ethnicity, legal residents in Central and South America as well as countries of the Caribbean, were swept into local detention centers and held without hearings or legal recourse. Conditions in which they were detained varied widely, but many were truly miserable. U.S. military ran some of the sites, such as Camp Empire, in Balboa, Panama Canal Zone, while the U.S. funded others, like Isle of Pines, Cuba. (See also: Latin American Detention Facilities in Internment Camps section.) Some countries used local prisons and penitentiaries, while in others, prisoners with wealth and connections were housed in hotels, or, as in Ecuador, were simply asked to move away from the coast to more inland areas.

An unknown number of these prisoners were sent directly to Germany, Japan or Italy.

In a few examples, the percent of German citizens believed expelled from Costa Rica was around 25%, in Guatemala 30%, in Colombia 20 %, and more than half the Germans in Honduras. (Max Paul Friedmann, Nazis and Good Neighbors: The United States Campaign against the Germans of Latin America in World War II. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2003, 3.)

4,058 Germans, 2264 Japanese and 287 Italians were deported to the United States with their families. Some of the prisoners and many of their families were citizens of the country from which they were expelled. These captives were housed in the Department of Justice’s Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) camps. (See also: White to Lafoon.)

One of my relatives was reported to the FBI and interrogated just for having a copy of Mein Kampf in their home.


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