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Sachsenhausen - Oranienburg "gas chamber"

Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon May 19, 2008 8:24 am)

For those who haven't been following the mail to David Irving, here is an interesting item on the alleged Sachsenhausen - Oranienburg "gas chamber":

Quote from:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/Haig_170508.html

Col (retd) Gerhart Schirmer, Sachsenhausen - Workuta. Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets (published by the right-wing and independent firm, Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

Following a decision by the County Court in Tübingen of 21.8.2002-12.9.2002, this booklet was withdrawn and prohibited on the grounds of racial incitement (file reference 4 Gs 937/02).


Extracts from pages 10, 13 and 37.

There exists a notarized, sworn affidavit about the construction of a gas chamber and a shooting facility [at Sachsenhausen concentration camp] in October/November 1945 by eight prisoners, of whom I was one. Briefly described, this 'gas chamber' was a shower room with 25 showerheads in the ceiling. This was supposed to give the impression that the gassing was conducted in it. Adjoining this, we erected a separate chamber with an opening, in front of which the offender would sit facing the opposite side in order to receive a shot in the back of his neck. At least this was what the guide had to explain [to Soviet visitors]. This [guide] was our Fritz Dörbeck who, as a translator, had to act out this piece of theatre because - born in Russia - he spoke perfect Russian. [...]

Concerning the falsifications in Sachsenhausen (autumn 1945):

At the beginning of October 1945 Schirmer arrived at the former concentration camp, Sachsenhausen, which the Red Army had occupied since the end of April and which had been taken over by the NKVD [the much feared Soviet secret police that was responsible for political repression during the Stalinist era, akin to the Nazi Gestapo] who continued to run it as Special Camp No. 7. He describes some of his experiences from this time in his booklet 'Sachsenhausen-Vorkuta'. Of special interest is his statement concerning the alterations made to the former camp crematorium by German internees, including Schirmer, on the orders from the NKVD. Schirmer later made a statement under oath about it in which he said:


... in early October 1945 I was placed in Oranienburg [ie Sachsenhausen] concentration camp (barrack room 19) which continued to be used by the Soviets. After about fourteen days I was brought into the 'Steinbau' (stone buildings) and there, together with seven other prisoners, presented to the political officer of the camp, Lieutenant-Colonel Kolowantienkow. From him we received an order to carry out certain construction work in the so-called Front Zone (Vorzone) of the camp.

Among the seven other prisoners was Dipl.-Ing. Fritz Dörbeck. He was the son of a German geologist who in about 1905 had been tasked by the Tsarist administration to carry out some geological research in the region of Vladivostok. Dörbeck grew up there and spoke fluent Russian. In 1918 the Dörbeck family returned to Germany via China. After his release in 1956, Fritz Dörbeck became the sales director of AEG-Telefunken in Ulm and I remained a close friend of his till his death in 1982.

The seven prisoners also included one Emil Klein, a Sudeten German who also spoke fluent Czech and some Russian. He supervised our construction work and then disappeared from the camp after its completion. We suspected at the time that this Klein was the intermediary [Vertrauensmann] for the Soviets. The seven also included four construction workers and a plumber. I no longer remember their names.

In the middle of October 1945 we were taken to the construction site. There, in the so-called Front Zone of the Camp, was a large shower room with an ante-room. The shower room was about 8x10 square metres and contained about twenty-five shower heads. In the ante-room were about fifty coat hooks.

When we arrived, the material required for the construction work was already there. Under the directions of Klein, we now connected pipes from outside the building to the water supply pipes [Wassernetz]. Outside, on the outside of the wall, taps were attached. Only now was Dipl.-Ing. Dörbeck the first to understand what this work was apparently about.

We built an additional concrete cell adjoining the bathroom measuring about 4x2 square metres with an opening into the ante-room of the shower room. The new opening from the ante-room to the newly built so-called 'execution room' [Erschießungsraum] was about 20 cms wide. It was made to look as if the offender who was to be shot would have stood at the entrance facing the concrete wall enabling the person with the gun to fire a shot into the back of his head.

The construction works went on for about 14 days. When Dipl.-Ing. Dörbeck and I realised what was being built, we went to the political officer and told him that we refused to undertake any further work. The political officer, Lieutenant-Colonel Kolowantienkow, spoke - often heatedly - with Dörbeck for about fifteen minutes in Russian. Dörbeck later told me that the political officer had said that we would be summarily shot if we ceased to do any further work or let slip one word about it. The political officer said furthermore that we were receiving good rations (which was true) and that he - Dörbeck - would later be required to explain the installation to groups of Soviet visitors. The political officer also said that we would be well-treated in the future and receive good rations. As we were unable to prevent the construction of the installation, it seemed to make sense to us that we should continue the work and, in this way, learn what was being made there.

After completion, at about the end of October 1945, Dipl.-Ing. Dörbeck was brought before the political officer alone and received precise instructions about the explanations he was to give to Soviet groups of visitors. He had to say the following: This installation, which was built by the Nazis, served to kill [Vernichtung] Jews and Soviet officer prisoners. Each day some 200 people were gassed and about twenty-five were shot. This went on from 1943 till 1945 (April).

From about December 1945 until the end of 1947 an average of two tours a week, each consisting of some thirty to forty Soviet men, mostly soldiers and people from the GPU, and women, were escorted by Dörbeck round the installation. There were often officers amongst them who quite openly expressed doubts about the age of the installation because they saw that the concrete was new, that there were no bullet holes from the executions in the concrete wall and that the blood stains (red paint) were very meagre and unconvincing.

Dörbeck reported to me after each tour. ... After Oranienburg concentration camp was closed down in January 1950, Dörbeck and I were sent first to Lichtenberg (Berlin) Prison and then in September 1950 to Vorkuta in the northern Urals.

Signed Gerhart Schirmer
Rastatt, 16.12.86

Schirmer placed this declaration, in the same wording, with a notary in 1988.

Concerning the detention in Sachsenhausen and Vorkuta.

In the Soviet Special Camp No 7 (Sachsenhausen) Schirmer was first barrack room leader and then worked as an 'appointment assistant' for the Jewish prisoners' doctor, Dr Hirschfeld, whose surgery was situated in the pathology building. Schirmer 'enjoyed' the privilege of being permitted to sleep in Hirschfield's surgery. In this way it was possible for him to go into the mortuary at night and count the bodies of people who had died during the day. In this way secret body counts were carried out over the years, alternating or working with fellow prisoners. When Schirmer was sentenced to a whole year's solitary confinement in 1948, the secret counts were carried out in his absence by Artur Andres. In this way, the number of victims of the NKVD camp Sachsenhausen is known quite precisely. Schirmer reckons they amounted to about 24,600 ('give or take a hundred').

When the NKVD camp was closed in January 1950, Schirmer, like many others, was still not free but was sent via Berlin-Lichtenberg and Brest-Litovsk to Vorkuta. Only when the last 'war criminals' were released early in 1956 after Adenauer's negotiations in Moscow in 1955 was Schirmer able to return home. The fact that he survived four years of starvation in Sachsenhausen and the 6 years in Vorkuta borders on a miracle.

Schirmer then entered the Bundeswehr [Federal German Army] and retired as a Lieutenant-Colonel.

Gerhart Schirmer was rehabilitated by the Russian state. Without him the conversion work on the crematorium in the former concentration camp of Sachsenhausen might never have been known.


Note that the building faked by the Soviets was later blown up by the East Germans, and the ruins are today presented at the Memorial Site as a "gas chamber, disguised as a shower room, used to kill prisoners."

Here is a quote from the Sachsenhausen pages at the Scrapbookpages.com site (a sort of "Holocaust" tourism site, useful for its many images and occasional perceptive insights, even if always expressed in a very prudent noncommittal way):

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/sachsenha ... amber.html

[...]

According to a Museum pamphlet:

After the Soviets departed, the GDR paramilitary police blew up the building in order to clear space for a firing range. In 1961, at the insistence of former prisoners, the building foundations were secured and integrated into the Sachsenhausen memorial.

The ruins of the crematorium and gas chamber are covered by a massive structure, which looks like a gas station without the pumps. Visitors are not allowed to walk onto the floor of the ruined building because the sign says that there is a danger from the shifting ground beneath the former foundations of the building.

The Museum pamphlet says that the Jews were evacuated from Sachsenhausen and sent to Auschwitz in October 1942 before the gas chamber was ready for operation in 1943. When the Auschwitz death camp closed in January 1945, some of the survivors were brought back to Sachsenhausen where it is possible that they were gassed.

According to information presented at the Jewish Museum at Sachsenhausen:

... during the very last weeks, thousands of people were still being killed in satellite camps and on the death marches, or in Industriehof," the industrial yard of Sachsenhausen.

On the same day that I first visited Sachsenhausen in the fall of 1999, I took the train to the suburb of Wannsee near Berlin and toured a Jewish Museum there which presented information that all of the Nazi gas chambers were in what is now Poland and none were located in present-day Germany. However, the Memorial Site at Sachsenhausen maintains that the gas chamber, disguised as a shower room, at Sachsenhausen was used to kill prisoners. In the Museum at Sachsenhausen, the camp is called a "Death Camp."

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Postby holowiz » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri May 23, 2008 2:36 pm)

This story should have been investigated in deep at least in Germany, by newspapers, or even by the police (isn't it a fraud? one or the other?)

Can you demand the Musem for selling tickets to see something that it is really not what you are showed?

The real sad thing here is that he gets fined for writing what he has directly seen (no proof of any lie), besides his book banned, and "survivors" are rewarded and promoted for parroting the same old never ending lies.

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Postby PotPie » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:00 pm)

Ah the things they cover up by citing racial incitement. I was wondering what the story was behind the alleged gas chamber at this camp and the disregard of even local Jewish groups for the idea that this camp had a homicidal gas chamber.

Also things brings up another issue. With real gas chambers about, why would the Soviets have felt the need to fake them? They even did so in Auschwitz-Birkenau, something that mainstream historians have relegated to the memory hole.

Auschwitz-Birkenau's fake Soviet gas chamber: http://www.mazal.org/pressac/Pressac0046.htm

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:07 pm)

The liars can't keep their stories straight.

Jewish 'holocaust historian' Olga Wormser-Migot remarks:
...the declarations on the gas chamber at Ravensbrück place the beginning of its existence in Febr. 1945, date of the arrival of those evacuated from Auschwitz, the date when the Ravensbrück detainees discovered the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz."

-"Le Système concentrationnaire nazi", Le problème des chambres à gaz, p. 544)

Wormser-Migot also dismisses the gassing claims for Oranienburg and Mauthausen : "These assertions seem to be of a mythical order." (p. 541, footnote n. 2)


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Postby nathan » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:05 pm)

In case Potpie is still curious about the story behind this construction:

Anton Kaindl, the Sachsenhausen commander was captured by the British, to whom he denied any knowledge of gas chambers. He was handed over to the Russians, to whom he did confess, and then some

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... trial.html

"I confess my heavy guilt," he told his judges, "and my sincere thanks go to the Soviet authorities for the procedure of this trial."

The building work in question was undoubtedly made in preparation for this show trial, which took place in October 1947 in Pankow (Berllin). According to ARC-type sites the building work was a “reconstruction” using recovered parts which had been dismantled during the evacuation of the camp


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