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Kola, Arad, others demolished on Sobibor 'gas chambers'

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 10 months ago (Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:56 pm)

The 'holocaust' lies are actually fairly easy to debunk, and they certainly have been, over & over.

Claims by 'holocaust' Industry shysters like Andrzej Kola and Yitzhak Arad have been repeatedly refuted at this forum, now we see another rout.

Have a look at this must read work by T. Kues, from CODOH's Revisionist Library.

The Alleged First Gas Chamber Building at Sobibór, by Thomas Kues.
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrtkfsgc.html

excerpt from conclusion:
In 2001, Polish archaeologist Andrzej Kola carried out excavations and drillings at Sobibór, reportedly discovering seven mass graves as well as a barrack suspected to have been either a hospital or a gas chamber building. Since no documentation on the excavations and drills has been made available, media claims that Kola has “given the lie to the Holocaust deniers” cannot be taken seriously. It can not be ruled out that Kola or people associated with him purposely have delayed the publication of documentation in order to avoid critical scrutiny.

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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 9 months ago (Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:58 am)

It seems they just don't know that they are digging themselves into an ever deeper hole. Please notice that there's not one single word about human remains.


Also, please notice the place and time of this conference - the University of Hartford on Sunday, Oct. 26, in Wilde Auditorium, starting at 1:30 p.m.


http://www.hartford.edu/daily/news.asp?id=4581



Mapping the Legacy of Sobibor

Posted: August 7, 2008


Greenberg Center Director Richard Freund and student Sarah Rutman working on the site of the Sobibor concentration camp in Poland. Using state-of-the-art geophysical techniques, such as ground-penetrating radar and electromagnetics technology, a University of Hartford team has made remarkable discoveries at the Sobibor concentration camp in Poland, where up to 200,000 people were killed during World War II. Within days of a successful rebellion in October 1943, in which about half of the 600 prisoners escaped, the Nazis buried the site and planted it with trees.

This summer, a team led by Richard Freund, director of the University’s Maurice Greenberg Center for Judaic Studies, mapped the surface of the camp using electromagnetics, magnetometry and ground-penetrating radar equipment. The team detected the floor of what is thought to be the camp’s gas chambers, items from the daily life of the camp’s victims, and artifacts from the small railway that brought the infirm to the gas chambers.

The work by the University of Hartford’s team was undertaken from July 17-24 at Sobibor with Polish Director of Sobibor Marek Bem and Israeli archaeologist Yoram Haimi of Ben Gurion University of the Negev in Israel. The Israeli project is also supported by Yad Vashem.

Mapping of the hundreds of new finds * and the entire Sobibor concentration camp * was done by University of South Florida geography professor Philip Reeder. He was assisted by University of Hartford student Sarah Rutman, a Judaic Studies major. Rutman has previously worked on the Greenberg Center's excavations at Bethsaida, Israel. She has also helped curate exhibitions and is a student docent at the George J. Sherman and Lottie K. Sherman Museum of Jewish Civilization.

Items found during the geophysical survey included a woman’s curling iron, pieces of the heels of boots, scissors, a shovel, and many other artifacts that were too numerous to be dug up at this time, Freund said.

The Sobibor project is being filmed for a full television documentary by public television science producer Gary Hochman, who previously produced the documentary “Ancient Refuge in the Holy Land” for NOVA, about the University of Hartford's excavations at the Cave of Letters in Israel. In addition, Readers Digest sent a writer, Leonard Felsen, to cover the work for an upcoming article.

The discoveries from the Sobibor excavations project were featured in Dziennik, one of the largest newspapers in Poland, on July 23. Avi Patt, Feltman Professor of Modern Jewish History at the University of Hartford, was featured in the photo published in the newspaper, detailing the ground-breaking new technologies used in the project. A television crew of Polish Television (TVP in Lublin) filmed interviews with the group, and Kol Poland, a radio station, interviewed Yoram Haimi in Warsaw about the project.

Haimi will present the findings from the excavations project at a conference at the University of Hartford on Sunday, Oct. 26, in Wilde Auditorium, starting at 1:30 p.m. At the conference, Freund and Patt will present papers, “From Sinai to Sobibor—Jewish Rebels and Archaeology” and “The Legacy of Sobibor in the History of the Holocaust.”

The sophisticated equipment for the project is on loan from Worley Parsons International in Calgary, Canada. Paul Bauman and Brad Hansen, geophysicists from Worley Parsons, one of the largest gas and oil research firms in the world, did their research under the auspices of the Greenberg Center. This is the fifth time the company has loaned equipment and geophysicists to the Greenberg Center's archaeological projects.

Other sponsors include: William and Judith Freund of Sarasota, Fla., for the geophysics project and the conference; the Pritzker Foundation for the excavations; and Targum Shelishi for the documentary project.


So we had a geography professor assisted by a judaic studies student doing the most important geophysical survey to date at Sobibor?

And notice how kosher this team is. Why no invitations to other interested parties and neutral observers? What are the jews trying to hide?

Again, please notice not one single word about graves or human remains.

NOT ONE!

Notice also that they have lowered the death toll by 20%

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 9 months ago (Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:24 pm)

Yes, I found it most interesting that despite "Mapping the entire Sobibor Camp" they failed to find one of the 7 alleged Mass Graves.

It is also interesting that the preeminent Sobibor "Expert" Kola was not invited to participate in this "latest" archeological dig.

I believe Kola also unearthed the "Gas Chambers"
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Postby Kevin » 1 decade 9 months ago (Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:49 pm)

Items found during the geophysical survey included a woman’s curling iron, pieces of the heels of boots, scissors, a shovel, and many other artifacts that were too numerous to be dug up at this time

= mass graves of 200,000 jews. You didn't know this? Sheeeeesh...:roll:

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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 9 months ago (Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:05 pm)

YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS!!!

New Sobibor video:

http://admission.hartford.edu/judaic-st ... ideo2.html


CAUTION!!!

Please have a puke bucket handy, especially at the end.

Not an iota of human remains!

What happened to all the bone fragments that were supposed to by lying around?

Not one single word about the "huge mass graves" allegedly located by Kola. (They mentioned mass graves, but just in relation to the "green areas."

But do notice the grid map they had.

Also, the "huge mountain of human remains" didn't have a polished concrete cover. (Which is yet another of the jews lies.) It was only white rock. So the "huge mountain of human remains" could be verified by a retarded blind man with a toy plastic shovel.


Quote from the film:

"We really don't know why these depressions are here."

Phil Reeder.

Say what? They were in the exact area where the "huge mass graves" are alleged to be!

Remember, Muehlenkamp claimed that there were graves up to 7 meters deep, and all we heard was "it looks like the edge of a TRENCH."

LOL!!!


Quote from the film:

"To test the accuracy of the imaging equipment, the research team is probing several target locations."


Say what? Why didn't they test the accuracy of the GPR with the alleged core samples allegedly taken by Kola?

No wonder Muehlenkamp tucked tail and ran from me - again.
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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 9 months ago (Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:43 pm)

(November 23, 2001) Mass Graves Found at Nazi Polish Death Camp

WARSAW (Reuters)

"Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said on Friday they had found mass graves at the site. The excavations were the first since World War Two at the former camp, which was subsequently forested over. They could provide valuable new evidence on the number of victims, mainly Jews, who died in the Sobibor gas chambers. According to official Polish accounts, 250,000 people were killed in Sobibor.''We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay. That means that in the final stage the victims were burned,'' archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference. He said the largest grave measured 70 meters by 25 meters, the others 20 by 25 meters.


So why didn't the GPR pick up any of these alleged "huge mass graves?" Or any of Kola's alleged "excavations?"

BTW, Richard Freund (see above - Mapping the Legacy of Sobibor - article), the director of the Maurice Greenberg Center for Judaic Studies at the University of Hartford, is an ordained rabbi.

Gee, a jewish rabi wouldn't lie to us about the Sobibor holocaust, would he? ( http://www.cnn.com/services/presents.op ... tm#richard )

More claptrap about this here:

http://www.hartford.edu/greenberg/events/sobibor.asp

"Just as important, Patt says, is the project’s attempts to reveal what the Nazis literally covered up. “There are Holocaust deniers who say, ‘Survivors are making it up. There never was a camp there, who knows if there was an extermination center? These are fantastic, made-up stories.’ And that feeds right into what the Nazis were trying to do,” Patt says. “Being on the site and seeing how successful they were at covering up the crime, makes it that much more important to do this work. Part of my motivation is to say, 65 years later, ‘No, you’re not going to get away with hiding this from history... In a very short time, we’re going to be without any survivors,” says Freund. “It’s important to create a scientific method to investigate survivor accounts, because Holocaust denial is growing.”


That tells you why they are so desperate to create new cognitive illusions.

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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 9 months ago (Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:12 pm)

The "Hidden Holocaust" Trailer video that I posted yesterday has been pulled already!!!

But there are some stills here:

http://www.hartford.edu/greenberg/galle ... .asp?id=50


And, the "Association of Friends of Sobibor Remembrance" webpage is down also. Seems like they're trying to blackout all their "proof" of the Sobibor holocaust.


BTW, Muehlenkamp has already changed his tune and is no longer saying that bones are laying around on top of the ground at Sobibor. Seems he saw that the "Hidden Holocaust" Trailer video has already documented that there are no bones on top of the soil, but he now assures us that they can be found lying below ground.

Of course, not one single core sample showed so much as one single tooth or bone fragment, but since when is an iota of physical evidence needed to prove the murder of 250,000 jews?

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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 8 months ago (Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:33 pm)

Excerpts from the lying, cowardly, fraudulent "skeptic" Michael Shermer's - Denying History:


“The culmination of years of research… Our purpose... To refute Holocaust denial... To debunk the deniers, can’t we just go there and see them for ourselves? The answer of course, is “yes.” We traveled to the camps themselves, to… Sobibor… to test the claims [of the "deniers"] that no mass murders took place... Many of our arguments draw on specialized research into the claims of the deniers that took us to the Nazi extermination camps themselves… We went to Europe to conduct research at the camps, in particular at… Sobibor… We wanted to see for ourselves just what evidence there is at the camps and to take the opportunity to examine firsthand the claims… In order to make proper interpretations; we must review the physical evidence… Like criminologists solving a crime... How is it that so much physical evidence can come to be doubted?”



Now let's hear from the equally fraudulent archeologist Andrzej Kola:

"Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said on Friday they had found mass graves at the site. The excavations were the first since World War Two at the former camp. According to official Polish accounts, 250,000 people were killed in Sobibor.''We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay. That means that in the final stage the victims were burned,'' archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference. He said the largest grave measured 70 meters by 25 meters, the others 20 by 25 meters.



Now let's look at the latest big-lie the jews are telling about Sobibor - (Excerpts are from - Mapping the Legacy of Sobibor, and - Unearthing the Secrets of Sobibor):

"This summer [July, 2008], a team led by[rabbi] Richard Freund mapped the surface of the [Sobibor] camp using electromagnetics, magnetometry and ground-penetrating radar equipment... (Mapping the entire Sobibor concentration camp was done by University of South Florida geography professor Philip Reeder) 'The idea is to figure out scientifically where everything was'... Freund said, who has been using the geophysical technology for a decade and is one of a small number of archeologists throughout the world to take advantage of its precision and speed to map sub-surfaces... Calgary based WorleyParsons geophysicists Paul Bauman and Brad Hansen used... [GPR] radar to create cross-sectional images of the site and detect areas of soil disturbance...

'Now we can know exactly... what’s there or if there’s nothing there,' says Freund, 'So this technology is really a godsend for archeology.'

'The Sobibor project is unique,' says team historian Avi Patt, in its synthesis of archeology and history of the Holocaust. 'There are very few cases of a place where you can do this kind of archeology,' he says. 'A camp has been buried, concealed from sight, and tried to be hidden, and you have to do a kind of detective work to find out where it was... to reveal what the Nazis literally covered up. 'There are Holocaust deniers who say, ‘There never was a camp there, who knows if there was an extermination center?' Part of my motivation is to say, 65 years later, ‘No, you’re not going to get away with hiding this from history.’”



No? Well then, let's see Sobibor's "huge mass graves" that this modern technology would have so easily located. Finding those "huge mass graves" with the remains of 250,000 jews in them must have been a cakewalk.

So why then has this Kosher crew refused to release the results of this GPR investigation? What are they trying to hide?

The answer of course is: Not one single "huge mass grave" was found.

Desipite all the fraudulent claims to the contrary, the jews have yet to locate / prove the existence of just one single grave that contains so much as one single:

1 - Complete human body in a "wax fat transformation."

2 - Complete human skeleton.

3 - Complete human skull

4 - Complete human bone.

5 - Human bone fragment.

6 - Human tooth.

7 - Ounce of human ash.

8 - Spent bullet.

9 - Shell casing.


The only thing ever found in the area that is supposed to contain these alleged "huge mass graves" is a shallow trench.

And the "huge mountain of human remians" is as fraudulent as the other alleged "huge mass graves."

The entire alleged Sobibor holocaust is a total hoax folks - a HUGE big-lie.

All you have to do is open your eyes and start thinking for yourself.

It isn't just 99% false.

It isn't just 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 false.

It's 100% total, unadulterated BS.

There was no Sobibor holocaust.
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Postby KostasL » 1 decade 8 months ago (Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:42 pm)

'The Sobibor project is unique,' says team historian Avi Patt, in its synthesis of archeology and history of the Holocaust. 'There are very few cases of a place where you can do this kind of archeology,' he says. 'A camp has been buried, concealed from sight, and tried to be hidden, and you have to do a kind of detective work to find out where it was... to reveal what the Nazis literally covered up. 'There are Holocaust deniers who say, ‘There never was a camp there, who knows if there was an extermination center?' Part of my motivation is to say, 65 years later, ‘No, you’re not going to get away with hiding this from history.’”


'There are Holocaust deniers who say, ‘There never was a camp there, who knows if there was an extermination center?'


What a filthy liar!!! :oops:

Who is that revisionist he wouldn't tell us, eh ? :x

And we do know that there was a camp there and we certainly know there were no extermination camps, anywhere. Not only scholar revisionist work proves it but also common sense suggests it. 8)

Part of my motivation is to say, 65 years later, ‘No, you’re not going to get away with hiding this from history.


Wow, this guy really loves truth!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 8 months ago (Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:03 pm)

Greg Gerdes,
Please do not edit your posts after someone has responded.

You edited:
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AFTER a post by KostasL:
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If you wish to edit something you need to do it before there is a responding post. If there is a responding post you will need to make a fresh post to clarify the content of a previous post.
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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 8 months ago (Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:38 pm)

Sorry about that Mod. But what I deleted had nothing to do with KostasL's response.

However, I do understand the reason for the rule.

It won’t happen again.


BTW, it looks like Muehlenkamp has tucked tail and ran away from me yet again. (First it was from topix, now VNN.) Here is its latest from VNN:

"I don´t intend to spend any time on you anymore... you´ll be on ignore from now on. For news on what´s happening at Sobibor you are referred to the RODOH forum (where... you will soon find... photos from my trip to Sobibor) and the HC blog... (where I shall write an article about this trip as soon as I´m back from Germany, where I am writing from now)."

What a coward!

He simply couldn't handle a debate on a real, unfettered and uncensored forum, so he's running back into the arms of nickterry.

It seems that having to defend his absurdities by actually proving / producing physical evidence to support hs claims was too much for him to handle.

But then again, isn't that the way it is for all holocaustians?

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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 8 months ago (Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:29 pm)

Here's another interesting tidbit from the mule's VNN post #382:

6. Are we going to see the report of Mr. Krege’s "detailed forensic examination", Mr. Gerdes? Yes or no? (I would love to see that report for Krege seems to have found exactly what he hoped not to find and claims not to have found, soil disturbances compatible with mass graves in the subsoil of Treblinka).

And my recent comment:

If Krege "seems to have found exactly what he hoped NOT to find," then surely Freund must have found exactly what he WAS hoping to find, right?

If Krege found "soil disturbances compatible with mass graves in the subsoil of Treblinka," then so should have Freund and his Kosher Krew at Sobibor, right?

Why have you so suddenly stopped asking for Krege's GPR results?

Why aren't you calling for the results of Freund's GPR examination? (Which reminds me, we're still waiting for you to round up O'Neils alleged hours of video he claims he took at Belzec. What are you waiting for?)

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Postby tyger » 1 decade 8 months ago (Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:02 am)

Did the Germans plant seedlings or saplings to camouflage the location of the burial pits? Or did they move mature trees?

Either way a straightforward tree ring sample would provide conclusive, measurable evidence as to the truth of this particular claim.

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Postby Greg Gerdes » 1 decade 8 months ago (Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:09 am)

tyger,

THERE WERE NO BURIAL PITS.

There was no Sobibor holocaust.

No graves = no holocaust.

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Postby tyger » 1 decade 8 months ago (Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:24 am)

Greg,

Should I put it more simply for you?

If a tree ring sample showed that the tree was, say, 70 years old that would be a problem for the orthodox story. Likewise if it showed that the tree was fifty years old.

Only, and only if, the tree ring record shewed that the tree had been growing in that location for exactly the right number of years would it lend any credibility to the orthodox story.

Using an intemperate style OR SHOUTING doesn't progress your argument one iota and in fact detracts.


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