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!! full-scale forensic examination of the Lusitania wreck !!

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 8 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:34 am)

This is not directly about the holocau$t but shows again that proof may be found only decades after the crime.

One of the crimes of Winston "Mass Murderer" Churchill was detected recently by divers near the Irish coast. The giga criminal "Sir Winston" sacrificed 1.200 civilians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1098904/Secret-Lusitania-Arms-challenges-Allied-claims-solely-passenger-ship.html

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Secret of the Lusitania: Arms find challenges Allied claims it was solely a passenger ship

By Sam Greenhill

Her sinking with the loss of almost 1,200 lives caused such outrage that it propelled the U.S. into the First World War.

But now divers have revealed a dark secret about the cargo carried by the Lusitania on its final journey in May 1915.

Munitions they found in the hold suggest that the Germans had been right all along in claiming the ship was carrying war materials and was a legitimate military target.
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The Cunard vessel, steaming from New York to Liverpool, was sunk eight miles off the Irish coast by a U-boat.

Maintaining that the Lusitania was solely a passenger vessel, the British quickly accused the 'Pirate Hun' of slaughtering civilians.

The disaster was used to whip up anti-German anger, especially in the U.S., where 128 of the 1,198 victims came from.

A hundred of the dead were children, many of them under two.

Robert Lansing, the U.S. secretary of state, later wrote that the sinking gave him the 'conviction we would ultimately become the ally of Britain'.

Americans were even told, falsely, that German children were given a day off school to celebrate the sinking of the Lusitania.

The disaster inspired a multitude of recruitment posters demanding vengeance for the victims.
One, famously showing a young mother slipping below the waves with her baby, carried the simple slogan 'Enlist'.

Two years later, the Americans joined the Allies as an associated power - a decision that turned the war decisively against Germany.

The diving team estimates that around four million rounds of U.S.-manufactured Remington .303 bullets lie in the Lusitania's hold at a depth of 300ft.

The Germans had insisted the Lusitania - the fastest liner in the North Atlantic - was being used as a weapons ship to break the blockade Berlin had been trying to impose around Britain since the outbreak of hostilities in August 1914.

Winston Churchill, who was first Lord of the Admiralty and has long been suspected of knowing more about the circumstances of the attack than he let on in public, wrote in a confidential letter shortly before the sinking that some German submarine attacks were to be welcomed.

He said: 'It is most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores, in the hope especially of embroiling the U.S. with Germany.

'For our part we want the traffic - the more the better and if some of it gets into trouble, better still.'

Hampton Sides, a writer with Men's Vogue in the U.S., witnessed the divers' discovery.

He said: 'They are bullets that were expressly manufactured to kill Germans in World War I - bullets that British officials in Whitehall, and American officials in Washington, have long denied were aboard the Lusitania.'

The discovery may help explain why the 787ft Lusitania sank within 18 minutes of a single German torpedo slamming into its hull.

Some of the 764 survivors reported a second explosion which might have been munitions going off.

Gregg Bemis, an American businessman who owns the rights to the wreck and is funding its exploration, said: 'Those four million rounds of .303s were not just some private hunter's stash.

'Now that we've found it, the British can't deny any more that there was ammunition on board. That raises the question of what else was on board.

'There were literally tons and tons of stuff stored in unrefrigerated cargo holds that were dubiously marked cheese, butter and oysters.

'I've always felt there were some significant high explosives in the holds - shells, powder, gun cotton - that were set off by the torpedo and the inflow of water. That's what sank the ship.'

Mr Bemis is planning to commission further dives next year in a full-scale forensic examination of the wreck off County Cork.


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Postby MrNobody » 8 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:00 am)

This seems to be part of that History mainstream Historians turn a blind eye to, as this information has been known since the sinking of the Lusitania.

I had an old book, great mysterious of the world or some such which actually had a photostat of the cargo manifest included in the Lusitania story, regretfully I threw it out recently in a clean up.

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Under the "cruiser rules", the Germans could sink a civilian vessel only after guaranteeing the safety of all the passengers. Since Lusitania (like all British merchantmen) was under instructions from the British Admiralty to report the sighting of a German submarine, and indeed to attempt to ram the ship if it surfaced to board and inspect her, she was acting as a naval auxiliary, and was thus exempt from this requirement and a legitimate military target. By international law, the presence (or absence) of military cargo was irrelevant.

Lusitania was in fact carrying small arms ammunition, which would not have been explosive. Included in this cargo were 4,200,000 rounds of Remington 0.303 rifle cartridges, 1250 cases of 3 inch (76 mm) fragmentation shells, and eighteen cases of fuses. (All were listed on the ship's two-page manifest, filed with U.S. Customs after she departed New York on 1 May.) However, the materials listed on the cargo manifest were small arms and the physical size of this cargo would have been quite small. These munitions were also proven to be non-explosive in bulk, and were clearly marked as such. It was perfectly legal under American shipping regulations for her to carry these; experts agreed they were not to blame for the second explosion. Allegations the ship was carrying more controversial cargo, such as fine aluminium powder, concealed as cheese on her cargo manifests, have never been proven. Recent expeditions to the wreck have shown her holds are intact and show no evidence of internal explosion.
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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 8 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:22 am)

Yes, it is well known. But now there is proof and there will be more proof.

If others would have been accused they would allege that the ammunition was loaded after the sinking of the ship.
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Postby Paul der Cherusker » 8 years 9 months ago (Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:08 am)

This is all old news that has been known for decades.Read Colin Simpson's book for the whole story.

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Postby Hannover » 8 years 9 months ago (Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:12 pm)

Paul der Cherusker wrote:This is all old news that has been known for decades. Read Colin Simpson's book for the whole story.

Yes, this has been known for some time now. However, reluctant mainstream acknowledgement drives home the main point of this thread; history is constantly revised and those revisions very often expose deceitful propaganda. The debunking of what was once deemed 'factual history' is a lesson that applies directly to the absurd 'holocaust' propaganda.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 years 9 months ago (Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:48 pm)

Something must be new about this theme, which would explain why it's been in the media lately. Is it the scuba diving exploration that is new?

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 8 years 9 months ago (Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:54 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Something must be new about this theme, which would explain why it's been in the media lately. Is it the scuba diving exploration that is new?


Yes, there is forensic evidence now.

We face the Rudolf Report about the Lusitania Hoax.
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Postby Kageki » 8 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:46 pm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusita ... troversies

A dive team from Cork Sub Aqua Club, under license, made the first known discovery of munitions aboard in 2006. These include 15,000 rounds of .303 (7.7×56mmR) caliber rifle ammunition in boxes in the bow section of the ship. The .303 round was used by the British army in all of their battlefield rifles and machine guns. The find was photographed but left in situ under the terms of the license.[33] In December 2008, Gregg Bemis discovered a further four million rounds of .303 ammunition and announced plans to commission further dives next year for a full-scale forensic examination of the wreck.[34] The new discovery bolsters the Germans' case that the Lusitania was a military ship.[34]


Bolsters? This seems like solid proof that it wasn't just a passenger ship and Churchill basically admitted to letting it blow up. They wanted it blown up and get the Americans involved.

They have done this for every single war. How much more proof do people need to understand this?

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Postby NeilfromBris » 8 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:43 pm)

As an Australian I cant express strongly enough how much I detest Winston Churchill. That man is possibly the greatest war criminal of all time and he is responsible for the death of more Australians in both wars than any other person. That he is portrayed as a hero is sickening.

He was capable of anything.
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Postby Turpitz » 8 years 9 months ago (Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:06 am)

This is not directly about the holocau$t but shows again that proof may be found only decades after the crime.


I always find it bizarre how every part of history leads to a scene with evidence, every part of history except the industry that is. You would think physical evidence of a ship at the bottom of the sea from the early part of the last century, would be far harder to find than the physical evidence for 'eleven million' in locations widely known.

But I suppose if you spend your life counting paper-clips, physical realities become of little concern.


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