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Auschwitz head Franciszek Piper blows it on 'gas chambers'

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:04 am)

Revisionist really have to do very little. With typical, irrational Industry spokesmen such as Piper uttering nonsense, it's a walk in the park.

Excerpts from an interview with Auschwitz curator, Franciszek Piper, 30 May, 1996
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nddd/ndddausch.html

Q: Regarding Krematorium I at Auschwitz, what was the average number of persons gassed with Zyklon B per application? Further, what total number of persons perished in this facility?

A: This facility operated between autumn 1941 and autumn 1942. Between 600 to 800 persons were exterminated per application. Phillip Müller, an eye-witness stoker, cited that several tens of thousands of persons were killed there, however French pharmacist Jean-Claude Pressac claims that roughly only ten thousand were killed in this facility. It was, after all, an experimental gas chamber.

Q: What is the floor space of Krematorium I?

A: 78 square meters.

Q: Regarding the foregoing, this would mean approximately ten persons could be forced into an area of one square meter?

A: Yes. You must remember that the victims included women and children.


"Experimental" indeed. Try getting 10 people, including children, into one square meter....which equals about 3 sq. ft.

Once they lie, they must continue to lie.

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Q: What were the means of removing the gas? Were there special ventilators?

A: In the case of Krema I there were no ventilators. The doors were opened and the gas was allowed to ventilate by convection.


Right, and gas the entire camp staff.

The 'holocau$t' Industry has met the enemy, it is their own lies.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:51 pm)

Here's more absurdities from Piper debunked:

Q: Was there any special way by which heating was achieved in Krema II to maintain minimum necessary temperatures for gas-phase HCN?

A: Yes. In both Kremas II and III, heating was achieved by placing bins inside the chambers full of hot coke.

Q: Was the gas exposure time for Kremas II and III the same twenty minutes as per Krema I?

A: Yes. But for these Kremas the gas was removed via mechanical ventilation and was therefore much quicker.

Q: Was there any means of detoxifying the HCN gas before it was vented to the atmosphere?

A: No. It was vented directly to the atmosphere.


There is no evidence for these 'bins'. AND how would these 'bins', allegedly full of smoldering coke, look to those who were allegedly told they were going to receive 'showers'. I guess the evil Germans assumed that the alleged gassees wouldn't figure out that water from showers wasn't compatible with burning coke.

Again, we have HCN allegedly vented rapidly such that the camp staff would be killed. Perhaps only Jews were vulnerable to HCN.

On the 'mechanical ventilation' lie I refer to Germar Rudolf:
http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.4.
5.4.1.2.4. Ventilation Installations

Fact: All rooms in crematoria II and III were equipped with efficient ventilation installations.[216]

Incorrect conclusion: Morgues 1 of crematoria II and III were converted into homicidal 'gas chambers' equipped with installations for the intended purpose of evacuating poison gases.[217]

Correct conclusion: It is in fact inconceivable that a large morgue without windows and with only one door filled with innumerable bodies of the victims of epidemic disease would not be equipped with a ventilation installation. The efficiency of the ventilation, however, proves that these installations were designed for typical morgues.[218] The efficiency of the blowers may be seen from the invoices sent to the Zentralbauleitung by the Topf corporation after installation of the systems.[219] According to the invoices, both morgues #1, i.e., the alleged 'gas chambers' (in the invoice designated as the "B-room"), were each equipped with a 4,800 m3/h intake and outlet blower,[220] while for the "L-room" (the so-called "undressing room") only one outlet blower was installed, with a capacity of 10,000 m3/h.[221]

When considering the volume of the two morgues (morgue 1÷504 m3; morgue 2÷900 m3), the results for the alleged, planned 'gas chambers' (4,800/504 =) are approximately 9.5 air exchanges per hour and for the undressing room (10,000/900 =) approximately 11 air exchanges per hour. Does anybody seriously believe that, at the end of May 1943, i.e., two months after the beginning of the alleged mass murders, it was assumed that the 'gas chambers' would need less ventilation than the undressing rooms, or even less than the dissecting rooms, laying out rooms and wash rooms, the ventilation efficiency of which were even greater-approximately 131/3 air exchanges per hour?

Wilhem Heepke's classic work on the construction of crematoria states that a morgue requires a minimum of 5 air exchanges per hour and 10 during intensive use.[222] Thus it is clear that the ventilation installations provided for the morgues were designed, in terms of orders of magnitude, for morgues in intensive use or for morgues containing the bodies of epidemic disease victims. For comparison: Zyklon B disinfestation chambers with circulating air systems were equipped with 72 air exchanges per hour.[223] Furthermore, it should be mentioned that the original plans for a new crematorium in the main camp from 1941-a time when even Pressac admits that the SS had no criminal intentions-provided for 17(!) air exchanges per hour for the dissecting room(!) and the morgues.[224] This exchange rate is considerably higher than what was later realized for all rooms of crematoria II and III, including the alleged 'gas chambers'. Thus, on the way from beneficial planning to (allegedly sinister) construction, the air exchange rates had been drastically reduced (probably in order to reduce costs). Does anybody seriously believe, the SS would have lowered the ventilation capacity when changing the designation of a morgue from a beneficial use to a homicidal 'gas chamber', instead of increasing it? This is thus the final refutation of any argument on the alleged criminal characteristics of the ventilation installations in these crematoria.


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Postby SergeyRomanov » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:03 am)

Try getting 10 people, including children, into one square meter



Well, Charles Provan has proven that you can get about 28 people in 1 sq.m.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:31 pm)

Sergey,

You may believe in such impossibilities, but well....28 people per sq. meter = 9+ people per sq. foot. That's 9+ people within the size of one average kitchen floor tile. Sure, Sergey.

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Re: Auschwitz head Franciszek Piper blows it on 'gas chamber

Postby Kobus » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:10 am)

Hannover wrote: Try getting 10 people, including children, into one square meter....which equals about 3 sq. ft.


1 sq.ft. = 0.0929 sq.m.

or

10.76 sq.ft. = 1 sq.m.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 4:27 am)

Uh, yeah, I knew that. :wink: Correction acknowledged, thanks.

Now try getting 10 people into 1 sq. meter, or better yet try getting 28 people into 1 sq. meter as per Provan & Sergey.

In a court case in March 1946, against two representatives of DEGESCH, Dr. Tesch and K.Weinbacher, the witness Charles Sigismund Bendel stated, groups of 1000 Jews where killed with Zyklon-B in a room measuring 10 meters long by 4 meters wide by 1.6 meters high. When asked, how 1000 people can possibly fit in to a room of 64 square meters, he answered, by 'the German method'.

Alleged 'eyewitness' Yankel Wiernik claimed that up to 1200 people were gassed in an area 7 X 7 m, in other words more than 20 people per sq. meter!! -- Those Germans could do amazing tricks AND defy the laws of science.
According to Wiernik, the 7 X 7 m gas chamber that held 1200 people was an improvement over a previous gas chamber that was 25 sq. meters and could hold 500 people.

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Postby Kobus » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 12:29 pm)

Hannover wrote:
Now try getting 10 people into 1 sq. meter (...)


Typical shoulder width (male adult): .45 m
Typical chest depth (male adult): .25 m

Rectangular surface occupied by 1 standing adult: .45 m x .25 m = .1125 sq.m.

This allows for about 9 male adults standing on 1 sq.m.
Of course this number rises when females or children are involved, or when people really are squeezed together.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:56 pm)

Yeah right, and this would make for a very convincing 'shower' room.

And there's the 28 people per sq m. from Provan and Sergey.

Ofcourse, Piper's reference to nutroll Mueller is revealing:
Mueller said:

- "I noticed there were some small greenish-blue crystals lying on the concrete floor at the back of the room. They were scattered beneath an opening in the ceiling. A large fan was installed up there, its blades humming as they revolved."

- "the powers that be had allocated twenty minutes for the cremation of 3 corpses...." Utterly impossible.

- "The doctors proceeded to cut pieces of still warm flesh from thighs & calves and threw them into waiting receptacles. The muscles of those who had been shot were still working and contracting, making the bucket jump about"

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Postby SergeyRomanov » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 3:13 pm)

Well, here are 8 persons in 21x21 in. box.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 3:19 pm)

Oh realy, says who?
This is hilarious. What happened to 28 people per sq meter, Sergey?

I'm sure these people were convinced they were about to take a shower too. :lol:
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Postby SergeyRomanov » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 5:40 pm)

OK, since you can't even do the simplest math, here are the calculations:

1 inch = 2.54 cm = 0.0254 m

21 inches = 0,5334 m

21 x 21 in. = 0,28451556 sq.m.

Now, 8 persons can fit in 21 x 21 in. box. That's 8 persons per 0,28451556 sq. m:

8 / 0,28451556 = 28,1179700681396827646263002276571 persons per square meter. Simple, eh?

You can't argue with the mathematics.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:58 pm)

Yeah right, and this would make for a very convincing 'shower' room, which is how the tale goes.

Show me 28 people in 1 sq. m., show me. I'm waiting to see a bunch of students packed into a VW bug next, then perhaps some goldfish swallowing.

Ofcourse, Piper's reference to nutroll Mueller is revealing, and Sergey dodged Mueller.

Mueller said:

- "I noticed there were some small greenish-blue crystals lying on the concrete floor at the back of the room. They were scattered beneath an opening in the ceiling. A large fan was installed up there, its blades humming as they revolved." - 'blue crystals'? 'a large fan'?

- "the powers that be had allocated twenty minutes for the cremation of 3 corpses...." Utterly impossible.

- "The doctors proceeded to cut pieces of still warm flesh from thighs & calves and threw them into waiting receptacles. The muscles of those who had been shot were still working and contracting, making the bucket jump about". Laughable.

Sergey dodged these amazing spatial claims too:

- In a court case in March 1946, against two representatives of DEGESCH, Dr. Tesch and K.Weinbacher, the witness Charles Sigismund Bendel stated, groups of 1000 Jews where killed with Zyklon-B in a room measuring 10 meters long by 4 meters wide by 1.6 meters high. When asked, how 1000 people can possibly fit in to a room of 64 square meters, he answered, by 'the German method'.

- Alleged 'eyewitness' Yankel Wiernik claimed that up to 1200 people were gassed in an area 7 X 7 m, in other words more than 20 people per sq. meter!! -- Those Germans could do amazing tricks AND defy the laws of science.
According to Wiernik, the 7 X 7 m gas chamber that held 1200 people was an improvement over a previous gas chamber that was 25 sq. meters and could hold 500 people.

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Postby Kobus » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:52 pm)

Hannover wrote:In a court case in March 1946, against two representatives of DEGESCH, Dr. Tesch and K.Weinbacher, the witness Charles Sigismund Bendel stated, groups of 1000 Jews where killed with Zyklon-B in a room measuring 10 meters long by 4 meters wide by 1.6 meters high. When asked, how 1000 people can possibly fit in to a room of 64 square meters, he answered, by 'the German method'.
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Air processed by 1 breathing person in one minute: 9 liter
Air can be used twice to extract oxygen, so 4.5 l/min.person is needed

Volume of room: 10 m x 4 m x 1.6 m = 64 cub.m = 64,000 l
Volume of 1000 people (mean weight = 40 kg; density = 1kg/l): 40,000 l

Air available for 1000 people: 64,000 l - 40,000 l = 24,000 l

Air available for 1 person: 24,000 l : 1000 = 24 l

Time until suffocation: 24 l : (4.5 l/min) = 5.3 min

Conclusion: no Zyklon-B was needed.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:54 pm)

Conclusion:

Charles Sigismund Bendel lied and should have been prosecuted for perjury.

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