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Krema II Simulation

Postby GurtKerstein » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:53 pm)

This is the first time I saw someone tries to put together a 3D computer generated simulation of Krema II. It looks pretty realistic and drawn according to Pressac. The obvious challenge as is obvious from this representation is the ventilation of HCN after gassings since it is an underground installation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3EeTFtY ... div-r-7-HM
The Emperor cannot see the cloth, but pretends that he can for fear of appearing stupid; his ministers do the same. A child in the crowd calls out that the Emperor is wearing nothing. The Emperor holds himself up proudly and continues the procession.

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:37 pm)

Those narrow doors everywhere. Not even double doors. Your "dolly" or cart, would have to go through a single door, to then do a right angle for the elevator, and one protruding leg would catch on that single door.

And as Berg pointed out: separation. Offices right next to the opening of the gas chamber.

Claustrophic as well. As if there wouldn't have been a rebellion, a mutiny in that claustrophobic environment. Difficult to police also.

You get the impression that a disguise against being bombed is a bigger consideration than smart design for mass murder.

Impressive that someone finally did this.

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby GurtKerstein » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:55 pm)

Impressive that someone finally did this.


Yes, this simulation is not official obviously but I looked everywhere for an official simulation and couldn't find any. I was always surprised that the Holocaust authorities never undertook to do it because it is much more effective to prove a point than anything else - it is widely used in courts these days for that reason. Perhaps they are not confident themselves with their version of the gas chambers.


Another question of course is how do you convince people that they are going to take a shower in what was known by everybody in the camp as the crematory buildings. Even if they were only new arrivals the smoking chimney would make this ruse quite obvious.
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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:25 pm)

Shower below cremation tower: good point.

Question: How do you keep poison gas inside a chamber? And people from escaping? Answer: small door.

Is there a separate stairway to those SS offices? You could really get ambushed there, and it would be difficult, in a mob, for other SS to come to your aid.

Gee, now let's picture how Irene Zisblatt got out of there to hide under the (non-existent) eaves.

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby Heydrich » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:25 am)

The problem with this "simulation" is: Those holes above the mesh wire do not exist in reality and the mesh wire installations cannot be proven as well - no installation points exist in the still accessible roof and ground of crema 2.

This simulation is based on a jewish fairy tale.

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby JustTheTruth » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:16 am)

This is a great video but it also shows just how silly the claims that these installations were designed to exterminate thousands of people as they would have to be the worst possible way to achieve this. Just watch it again and try to imagine these claims actually happening whilst remembering what the piles of bodes and moving them actually looked like in real life (this video will help: http://ia341329.us.archive.org/3/items/ ... camps.mpeg)

There are so many bottlenecks and right-turns that make the entire process simply inefficient it makes you laugh out loud that people still believe that batches of thousands of people were killed in this place, or still claim it was a "production-line" extermination facility.

And what about these people we are concerned with, the Germans, renowned for their organizational and technical skills, and the Jews known for their wonderful culture of music, books, art and movies ie storytelling and fantasies.

It does not take a genius to figure out who would have come up with the concept of a morgue being used as a mass extermination facility out of these two groups of people; and who would have designed a state-of-the-art facility that would not have had any bottlenecks, nor rely upon so many "commandos" to actually do the work; and would have successfully liquidated all the jews in Europe?

Don't forget who it was, of these two groups of people, that perfected rocket technology and who was busy creating propaganda before, during and after the war in order to achieve the Zionist goal of creating the state of Israel?

It is so pathetic that otherwise rational and intelligent people are capable of suspending basic logic when they are presented with emotional content, but that is the key to the Holocaust, oh and a few laws to prevent people from talking and discourage them for searching for the truth...

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:06 pm)

I thought one of the rooms was semi-underground, not all the way underground. That model has both the undressing room and the gas chamber as underground. Am I wrong?

I'm just trying to imagine the cart that you would use to load bodies. It would have to be narrow with swivel wheels to make the turn. And bodies would have to be very "stackable" so that you wouldn't get the cart half through the doorway and then have it catch on a leg or something.

Also, wouldn't you want to take a preventable delousing measure while killing them? And have a clean side and dirty side? The SS office doesn't mind sharing a corridor where thousands of unloused people filter through? At least with Treblinka, they did have a clean side and dirty side, since that really was a delousing operation.

It's just so dumb. LOL.

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby Wahrheit » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:41 pm)

GurtKerstein wrote:The obvious challenge as is obvious from this representation is the ventilation of HCN after gassings since it is an underground installation.


The author of the project did not include any of the ventilation openings inside the gas chamber, nor does the gas chamber appear COMPLETELY accurate in the simulation. A more accurate drawing can be seen in Van Pelt's Case for Auschwitz on p.194. The side walls should be sloped at the top to form a triangular duct.

Another question of course is how do you convince people that they are going to take a shower in what was known by everybody in the camp as the crematory buildings. Even if they were only new arrivals the smoking chimney would make this ruse quite obvious.


I think this is an interesting point, but it would only be relevant when the chimneys are smoking. First of all, Rudolf and Mattogno disagree on how often the chimneys would have smoked during their use (as do Pressac and Van Pelt). Secondly, one assumes that when an incoming batch of victims arrives, the Krema would have had plenty of time to clear out the old batch (hence no burning crematoria). During the Hungarian deportations you could have had constant batches of victims, but then we must go back to debating how often the chimneys would have smoked during operation.

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby Wahrheit » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:57 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:I thought one of the rooms was semi-underground, not all the way underground. That model has both the undressing room and the gas chamber as underground. Am I wrong?


Hard to tell from the simulation, as the undressing barracks appears a slight degree above ground. Originally, the kellers were built only semi-underground (most of the way). This is clear from several ground-level photos and blueprints, many of which revisionists use to show the absent holes. Dirt was used to build slopes on the sides(at least on the gas chamber) AFAIK.

I'm just trying to imagine the cart that you would use to load bodies. It would have to be narrow with swivel wheels to make the turn. And bodies would have to be very "stackable" so that you wouldn't get the cart half through the doorway and then have it catch on a leg or something.


I do not recall any witness mentioning a cart for the Birkenau gas chambers. Most mention dragging the corpses physically, with their hands or belts.

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Re: Krema II Simulation

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:03 pm)

Now for yet another impossible feat that Wahrheit and Jewish Supremacists believe in:

An alleged 2000 corpses per batch were supposedly removed in mere minutes from each of the alleged 'gas chambers' in Kremas II-III to be cremated in the ovens above using one hand drawn 4' X 9' elevator that existed in each Krema. Laughable 'eyewitnesses' say that bodies were piled up outside, so how do you fool people into thinking they were about to get showers when there was supposedly piles of gassed Jews outside the shower room/crematory/gas chamber?

All that while another batch of Jews is alleged to have been waiting, and then, with cyanide pouring out of the opened 'gas chamber' door, they are told they are receiving showers. The pesticide Zyklon-B takes hours to complete it's outgassing from the granules in which it is embedded. The story is simply impossible, see:

'claim: 2000 'gassed Jews' per batch / but only one Elevator'
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Points to consider:

- Jews supposedly arrived in groups of 2,000 and were crammed into an underground area, Leichenkeller (morgue) 2, where they undressed.

- Then they were supposedly crammed into an adjoining Leichenkeller (morgue) 1, and then supposedly gassed with 'Zykon-B'.

- After the alleged gassing, the claimed 2,000 bodies had to be taken up to the cremation ovens above, on the ground floor.

- There were fifteen ovens to cremate the 2,000 gassed people. One would need another place to put the alleged bodies as there were more people supposedly outside waiting to be gassed.

plus:
ONE PICTURE = 1000 WORDS - THE GREAT GAS CHAMBER TRAFFIC JAM
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