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Autopsies

Postby fountainhead » 5 years 8 months ago (Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:09 pm)

What I consider to be one of the strongest arguments for Revisionists is the autopsies done at Dachau by Dr. Larson. However, I have some questions after reading the following:

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/libcamps.shtml
As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses."

His analysis served to dispel the rumors about gassings at Dachau. But does anyone know the names of the "twenty other German camps?" Were the remaining famous 'death camps' (Auschwitz, Majdanek, etc.) included? It doesn't seem like he visited those camps because I can't seem to find anything about it. I'm guessing only Soviet doctors would have been working in those areas.

Secondly, at that time, when the camps were being liberated, would there actually have been any instances of recently gassed corpses just lying around, awaiting cremation (according to the traditional holocaust story that is)? Or would the gassed corpses be long gone/cremated due to Himmler's supposed order:

http://www.codoh.com/gcgv/gcstopgas.html
In November 1944, Himmler decided that for practical purposes the Jewish question had been solved. On the twenty-fifth of that month he ordered the dismantling of the killing installations."

I guess it's a bit of a strange question since I'm asking you guys to assume the gassings did happen in this instance. But I think it's relevant to Dr. Larson and the autopsies because the believers no doubt argue that he wouldn't have found any gassed corpses anyway since they'd all been cremated.

Oh, and for future reference, bear with me as I often like to play devil's advocate just to see if a particular argument holds up under scrutiny. I'll probably post a lot of pro-Exterminationist arguments and links in order to 'crash test' Revisionist arguments.


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Re: Autopsies

Postby Zulu » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:57 am)

A Different Reality

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching military public information officers, government spokesmen, politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]
Typhus, Not Poison Gas

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.

As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows: [5]

Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that, homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...

Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced.

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases." [6]

Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.
No 'Human Skin' Lampshades

What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks," whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and even more grotesque ones proffered by Soviet prosecutors, found their way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch, dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned hides of luckless inmates.

But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." [7] In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair trial." [8] Ilse Koch hanged herself in a German jail in 1967.

It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been challenged by proponents of the Jewish Holocaust story. Dr. Morgen informed the court that he had been given full authority by Heinrich Himmler, commander of Hitler's SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German concentration camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption on the part of camp personnel.

As he explained in sworn testimony at Nuremberg, Dr. Morgen investigated 800 such cases, resulting in more than 200 convictions. [9] Punishments included the death penalty for the worst offenders, including Hermann Florstedt, commandant of Lublin (Majdanek), and Karl Koch (Ilse's husband), commandant of Buchenwald.

While German camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in Berlin, and it was required that a camp physician first certify the good health of the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual beating. [10] After all, throughout most of the war the camps were important centers of industrial activity. The good health and morale of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is evidenced in a January 1943 order issued by SS General Richard Glücks, chief of the office that supervised the concentration camps. It held the camp commanders "personally responsible for exhausting every possibility to preserve the physical strength of the detainees." [11]
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1. John D. McCallum, Crime Doctor [a biography of Dr. Charles P. Larson] (Mercer, Wash.: The Writing Works, 1978), pp. 44-46, 59, 69; See also: J. Cobden, "The Dachau Gas Chamber Myth," The Journal of Historical Review, March-April 1995, pp. 17-18.
2. Jane Floerchinger, "Concentration Camp Conditions Killed Most Inmates, Doctor Says," The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
3. J. D. McCallum, Crime Doctor (1978), p. 46.
4. The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
5. John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, editor, Rickettsial Diseases of Man (Washington, DC: American Academy for the Advancement of Science, 1948), pp. 16-27. Quoted in: Friedrich P. Berg, "Typhus and the Jews," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1988-89, pp. 444-447, and in Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (IHR, 1993), pp. 46-47.
6. "Disease killed Nazis' prisoners, MD says," Toronto Star, Feb. 8, 1985, p. A2. On Barton's similar testimony in a 1988 Toronto trial, see: Barbara Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die? (Toronto: Samisdat, 1992), pp. 175-180, and, Robert Lenski, The Holocaust on Trial (1990), pp. 157-160, and, M. Weber, "Bergen-Belsen Camp: The Suppressed Story," The Journal of Historical Review, May-June 1995, pp. 27, 30 (n. 30).
7. "Clay Explains Cut in Ilse Koch Term," The New York Times, Sept. 24, 1948, p. 3.
8. Interview with Lucius Clay, 1976, Official Proceeding of the George C. Marshall Research Foundation. Quoted in M. Weber, "Buchenwald: Legend and Reality," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87 (Vol. 7, No. 4), pp. 406-407.
9. International Military Tribunal (IMT), Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal (Nuremberg: 1947-1949 ["blue series"]), Vol. 20, pp. 489, 438.
10. Eugen Kogon, The Theory and Practice of Hell (New York: Berkley Books [pb.], 1984), pp. 108-109. See also: "Punishment for Mistreating SS Camp Prisoners," The Journal of Historical Review, Jan.-Feb. 1995, p. 33.
11. Nuremberg document NO-1523. Published in Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunal (NMT "green series"), Vol. 4, pp. 372-373.

The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies
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Re: Autopsies

Postby Zulu » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:24 am)

fountainhead wrote: http://www.codoh.com/gcgv/gcstopgas.html
In November 1944, Himmler decided that for practical purposes the Jewish question had been solved. On the twenty-fifth of that month he ordered the dismantling of the killing installations."



I don't understand why you are improperly quoting Himmler like did Hilberg. On the same page you give in reference it is wrote:
As is well known, no order or any other of kind directive from Hitler or Himmler exists that call for the extermination or gassing of the Jews. On the other hand, allied propaganda alleges that there exists an order from Himmler to stop the gassings. If such an order indeed existed, it would provide strong evidence that gassings actually took place. The allegation is question is based upon a written statement made by SS-Standartenführer Kurt Becher before the Nuremberg International Military Tribunal:

"Between the middle of September and October 1944 I caused the Reichsführer SS Himmler to issue the following order, which I received in two originals, one each for SS Generals Kaltenbrunner and Pohl, and a carbon copy for myself: "Effective immediately I forbid any liquidation of Jews and order that, on the contrary, hospital care should be given to weak and sick persons. I hold you (and here Kaltenbrunner and Pohl were meant) personally responsible even if this order should not be strictly adhered to by lower echelons." I personally took Pohl's copy to him at his office in Berlin and left the copy for Kaltenbrunner at his office in Berlin."[2]

No such order was ever recovered, and no-one could prove that it had existed. This caused Raul Hilberg to write:

"In November 1944, Himmler decided that for practical purposes the Jewish question had been solved. On the twenty-fifth of that month he ordered the dismantling of the killing installations."[3]


In a footnote he states as his source:

"Witness statement by Kurt Becher on March 8, 1946, PS-3762."


The witness statement however does not say anything like this.[4] Other Holocaust writers have thereafter copied Hilberg, using his book as their source. A demonstrative example may be found in the work of Berenbaum and Gutman. There we read once again of the alleged November 25 Himmler order to "demolish the gas chambers and crematoria in Auschwitz". In the note to this passage however, we find the following:

"According to the testimony of the leader of the Hungarian Zionists, Reszo Kastner, the Himmler co-worker Kurt Becher had shown him the copy of an order to destroy the gas chambers and the crematoria. This order was dated to November 25, 1944."[5]


This date is also found in the notes of an anynomous author, a prisoner and a member of the Sonderkommando, who wrote, that the dismantling of Krematorium II had begun on November 25.

To me as an officer, it seems very peculiar that the formidable SS colonel Kurt Becher went around showing top secret Himmler orders to Jewish leaders. The order was so secret that only three copies were made and no record of it was preserved yet Jewish representatives were allowed to read it!

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[2] IMT Document PS-3762; IMT Volume XXXII, p. 68. [The original German text reads: Etwa zwischen Mitte September und Mitte Oktober 1944 erwirkte ich beim Reichsminister SS Himmler folgenden Befehl, den ich in zwei Originalen, je eins für die SS-Obergruppenführer Kaltenbrunner und Pohl und einer Copie für mich erhielt: "Ich verbiete mit sofortiger Wirkung jegliche Vernichtung von Juden und befehle im Gegenteil die Pflege von schwachen und kranken Personen. Ich halte Sie (damit waren Kaltenbrunner und Pohl gemeint) persönlich dafür verantwortlich, auch wenn dieser Befehl von untergeordneten Dienststellen nicht strikt befolgt wird!" Ich berbrachte Pohl das für ihn bestimmte Exemplar persönlich in Berlin in seiner Dienststelle und gab das Exemplar für Kaltenbrunner in seinem Sekretariat in Berlin ab. Note of the translator.]

[3] Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, Quadrangle Books, Chicago 1961, p. 631.

[4] That is, it does not mention the dismantling of any gas chambers or other kinds of killing installations. Translator's note.

[5] Israel Gutman, Michael Berenbaum (eds.), Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Indiana University Press, Bloomington/Indianapolis 1994, p. 174 and 181, note 74.


So, why would one "assume the gassings did happen in this instance" if your Himmler's quote is wrong?

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Re: Autopsies

Postby fountainhead » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:54 am)

So, why would one "assume the gassings did happen in this instance" if your Himmler's quote is wrong?


I'm basically trying to see just how many problems there are with the Exterminationist response to the autopsies. If there is any truth to the Himmler order, they have a bit of a stronger case because it's conceivable that the bodies that had been gassed would have disappeared by the time Larson was able to do his autopsies. However, if Exterminationists go with the story that gassings went on right up until the camps' liberation, the Revisionist case is stronger because it's likely Larson would have come upon some gassed corpses that hadn't been cremated yet.

And it seems, conveniently, that the last camps that are still believed to be 'death camps' today are ones that Larson did not visit.
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Re: Autopsies

Postby The Warden » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:38 pm)

There's no reason to complicate the issue.
No gas found at the locations visited by Larson. No gassings at the locations visited by Larson.

Is it convenient that Larson only went to camps that didn't have gassings?
Or is it that no gassings occurred in any of the camps?
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Re: Autopsies

Postby stefanob » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:09 pm)

Exterminaitonists have no case here. Larson autopsies prove no gassing in "german" camps. Gassing in other camps is not disproved by Larson, but still has to be proved!

Also, even if Larson could not visit the eastern, alleged death camps, Soviets doctors did... could they ever have found some corpse well drenched in cyanide and not display it for all the world to see?
One may wonder why they did not fabricate one...
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Re: Autopsies

Postby Atigun » 1 year 4 months ago (Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:18 pm)

In a Youtube video comments section, an exterminationist posted this as a quote from "Crime Doctor" (McCallum) p. 61.

'CRIME DOCTOR': "The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or the another. However, we did probe into such questions as, 'What happened to those prisoners who became psychotic at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?' Well, they took those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken to a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false shower heads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.' Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think this is what happened to most of the truly psychotic prisoners and those they considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo's opinion, were incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death was imminent, and when they grew so weak they could no longer work or function, they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them 'mercy killings' because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer." 'Crime Doctor,' McCallum & Larson, p. 61

That is proof that there were, indeed, homicidal gas chambers in concentration camps located in Germany and that there were at least some prisoners killed by means of cyanide according to the exterminationist. Is this an opinion by the biographer, McCallum? Dr. Larson's opinion? If true, why so many claims that there's no forensic evidence of the use of lethal gas chambers in concentration camps located in Germany? I don't have a copy of "Crime Doctor" so I can't verify the quote. It doesn't seem to make sense that the Germans would go to the trouble of constructing a HGC to execute a handful of incorrigible or terminally ill prisoners. The traditional methods of execution, hanging or firing squad, would seem adequate for such a limited number of inmates.

From the same poster, a quote from the "Wichita Eagle" interview with Dr. Larson.

Concentration Camp Conditions Killed Most Inmates, Says Doctor By Jane Floerchinger – Staff Writer

Dr Charles Larson followed General Patton’s troops into Southern Germany at the end of WW2. In the following months, he conducted autopsies on as many as 100 concentration camp victims from mass graves in a single day. The Tacoma, Wa, physician, who in his post-war career came to be called the “crime Doctor” because of his medical detective work, was in Wichita Monday for a dedication ceremony of a crime archive exhibit named after him at Wichita State University.

Larson has talked little publicly about the war experience, One reason for his silence had been that his autopsy findings conflicted with the widely held belief that most Jews in Nazi camps were exterminated by gassing, shooting or poisoning.

“What we’ve heard is that 6 million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax.” Larson said. There were mass murders in concentration camps as Germany fell in an attempt to cover up atrocities, but most inmates died as a result of conditions in the camps, he said.

When the war ended Larson served as a forensic pathologist investigating Nazi war crimes for the Judge Advocate General’s Office. He was the first pathologist to enter Dachau, only hours after German troops surrendered. His investigations took him to more than 20 camps. Larson said in an interview Monday that certainly hundreds of thousands, even millions of Jews died at the hands of Nazis. But most died as a result of the conditions to which they were subjected rather than mass exterminations.

“They worked these people to death.” He said. Fed on potato peelings, inadequately clothed and packed into shacks, they died of every known disease, he said. “In one camp, 90% died of TB. It went from shack to shack.” Larson said that in Southern Germany, where he served, autopsies showed that death by gassing and shooting were rare. Never was a case of poisoning uncovered, he said.

Just curious but if there were no autopsy results showing poison gas as the cause of death, how was it determined that "...death by gassing [...] were rare."

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Re: Autopsies

Postby Tomt » 1 year 4 months ago (Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:23 am)

I see this as more damming to the narrative than supporting it. He also says it in a speculative manner that he thinks this is what happened. It's funny that he says he rarely speaks on this because it goes against the official narrative. We live in a world that we can't express our true opinions.

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Re: Autopsies

Postby Atigun » 1 year 4 months ago (Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:01 pm)

Tomt wrote:I see this as more damming to the narrative than supporting it. He also says it in a speculative manner that he thinks this is what happened. It's funny that he says he rarely speaks on this because it goes against the official narrative. We live in a world that we can't express our true opinions.


I have seen the quote by Dr. Larson that no cause of death by poison gas was determined by autopsies many times on numerous sites but have not seen one link to a source for that quote. Do you know if it's an actual quote and, if so, is there an original source for it? I've conducted numerous searches for the source of that quote and although the quote is quite common, I haven't been able to find it's source. However, given my meager computer skills that's by no means definitive. I have become quite curious as to whether it's an actual quote or apocryphal.

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Re: Autopsies

Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 months ago (Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:34 pm)

Atigun:
I have seen the quote by Dr. Larson that no cause of death by poison gas was determined by autopsies many times on numerous sites but have not seen one link to a source for that quote. Do you know if it's an actual quote and, if so, is there an original source for it? I've conducted numerous searches for the source of that quote and although the quote is quite common, I haven't been able to find it's source. However, given my meager computer skills that's by no means definitive. I have become quite curious as to whether it's an actual quote or apocryphal.

Here you go, excerpted from:

The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies
By Theodore J. O'Keefe

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/libcamps.shtml
When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]

1. John D. McCallum, Crime Doctor [a biography of Dr. Charles P. Larson] (Mercer, Wash.: The Writing Works, 1978), pp. 44-46, 59, 69; See also: J. Cobden, "The Dachau Gas Chamber Myth," The Journal of Historical Review, March-April 1995, pp. 17-18.

2. Jane Floerchinger, "Concentration Camp Conditions Killed Most Inmates, Doctor Says," The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.

3. J. D. McCallum, Crime Doctor (1978), p. 46.

4. The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
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Re: Autopsies

Postby Atigun » 1 year 4 months ago (Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:39 pm)

I've posted what is purported to be the Wichita Eagle article and, if accurate, it states:

“They worked these people to death.” He said. Fed on potato peelings, inadequately clothed and packed into shacks, they died of every known disease, he said. “In one camp, 90% died of TB. It went from shack to shack.” Larson said that in Southern Germany, where he served, autopsies showed that death by gassing and shooting were rare. Never was a case of poisoning uncovered, he said.

In that version, the reporter states that Larson said that death by gassing and shooting were rare. As I understand it, the poisoning is in relation to the claim made by Dachau inmates that prisoners had been killed by lethal injection. Larson observed no puncture wounds on autopsied cadavers and tissue samples sent to France for toxicology analysis were negative so the lethal injection claims were debunked. However, that leaves us with an alleged statement by Larson that gassing and shooting cases were rare, not nonexistent.

I've tried and failed to get the original article from the Wichita Eagle archives. That doesn't mean that it isn't there, just that I couldn't find it. If you or anyone else can bring up the original article I would appreciate a link to it. Neither do I have a copy of Larson's bio.

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Re: Autopsies

Postby Atigun » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:29 pm)

"Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."

O'Keefe quotes Dr. Larson as saying, "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." However, in the purported Wichita Eagle article, it says that, "...death by gassing and shooting were rare." Is there anyone who can resolve the difference between O'Keefe and the purported original article?

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Re: Autopsies

Postby Hannover » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:58 pm)

Atigun wrote:"Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."

O'Keefe quotes Dr. Larson as saying, "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." However, in the purported Wichita Eagle article, it says that, "...death by gassing and shooting were rare." Is there anyone who can resolve the difference between O'Keefe and the purported original article?

I am afraid you're making much ado about nothing. "Never was a case of poison gas uncovered" [4.] says it all. Any use of 'rare' is just Larson engaging in damage control / spin in order to avoid controversy. One cannot have autopsies which indicate no gassing and then have 'rare gassings' that have been shown to be false. One cannot have 'gassings' without human remains indicating as much; there are none, zero.

[4.] The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.

The tales about the German labor camps have undergone so many contradictions, variations, and attempts at damage control rendering the entire 'gassings' claims preposterous in the extreme.

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Re: Autopsies

Postby Atigun » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:34 pm)

Granted that it's bit nit-picky but did Dr. Larson say that gassing was "rare" or "never happened" in the Wichita Eagle interview? Do you (or anyone else) have a link to the original article?

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Re: Autopsies

Postby Hannover » 1 year 3 months ago (Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:14 pm)

Is there a good reason to think that the oft cited newspaper article doesn't say "Never was a case of poison gas uncovered"?

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