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Two cremation experiments

Postby friedrichjansson » 6 years 10 months ago (Thu May 23, 2013 8:43 pm)

Experiments always help drive home the nonsensical nature of exterminationist claims concerning cremation. This video of a pig cremation gives an idea of the scale of a real pyre. Watch to the end, and you'll see the bones remaining, and that there was even some unincinerated flesh.



Another pig cremation is described in this article:

http://www.academia.edu/244053/The_Revi ... xperiences

They start with 2 cubic meters of wood and fail to cremate the pig, so they have to find more wood to finish the job. Here's a sequence of pictures showing the series of events in detail:

http://www.folklore.ee/folklore/vol37/tbl2.htm

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Re: Two cremation experiments

Postby Goethe » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat May 25, 2013 12:16 am)

As they say in the video, a waste of tasty pork. While not their intended purpose, perhaps, it does demonstrate how completely ridiculous the claims about cremations within "The Holocaust" mythology really are.
Thanks to Mr. Friedrich Jansson.
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Re: Two cremation experiments

Postby Christopher Louis » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat May 25, 2013 1:35 am)

In India where they have been burning human bodies on open fires for centuries it takes about three hours to reduce a human corpse to ash.
http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=1343=55=354

"... They put him face downwards on the pyre, turned his shaved head towards the river, piled wood on top of him and set it alight with brands of straw, pouring on him butter and flour and rice and sandalwood...
When I drifted back, some ten minutes later, the head was a charred bone and a cow was placidly munching the marigold wreathes...The body takes about three hours to burn. Sometime less if more wood is added. The richer a family is the more wood they can afford. While its burning Dom teenager poke at the logs as if it were a campfire. Sometimes cows stand around the fire to get warm.
When the wood is burned to ashes, the breastbone of the deceased is often still intact. It is given to the eldest son who tosses it in the Ganges...”
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Re: Two cremation experiments

Postby Zulu » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat May 25, 2013 11:40 am)

friedrichjansson wrote:Experiments always help drive home the nonsensical nature of exterminationist claims concerning cremation. This video of a pig cremation gives an idea of the scale of a real pyre. Watch to the end, and you'll see the bones remaining, and that there was even some unincinerated flesh.

A must read.
Combustion Experiments with Flesh and Animal Fat

On cremations in pits in the alleged extermination camps of the Third Reich

By Carlo Mattogno

"While in the crematorium ovens [of Auschwitz], once corpses were thoroughly alight, it was possible to maintain a lasting red heat with the help of fans, in the pits the fire would burn only as long as the air could circulate freely in between the bodies. As the heap of bodies settled, no air was able to get in from outside. This meant that we stokers had to constantly pour oil or wood alcohol on the burning corpses, in addition to human fat, large quantities of which had collected and was boiling in the two collecting pans on either side of the pit. The sizzling fat was scooped out with buckets on a long curved rod and poured all over the pit causing flames to leap up amid much crackling and hissing."[1]
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1. Introduction

In the article entitled "Die Krematoriumsöfen von Auschwitz-Birkenau"[2] (The crematoria ovens of Auschwitz-Birkenau), which I wrote on the basis of the first results (1993) of a general study of cremation conducted with the precious help of Dr. Ing. Franco Deana, I dedicated section 6.2 to the problem of "Verbrennungsprozess in einer Grube" (combustion process in a pit).[3] In this section, I called the system of combustion in a pit technically inefficient for fundamental reasons, and judged the combustion system described by the witness Filip Müller[4] to be "wärmetechnisch unmöglich" (thermo-technically impossible).

During further work after the publication of that article, I came across the important book "Die Kadaver-Vernichtungsanlagen"[5] (carcass disposal plants) written by German engineer Wilhelm Heepke who was one of the foremost German cremation specialists in the first four decades of the twentieth century and whose indisputable competence in this field I had already been able to appreciate while reading another of his fundamental works.[6]

Heepke's book contains a section entitled "Die Verbrennung in Gruben" (combustion in pits), which is of great interest in connection with the topic of the "cremation pits" at Birkenau.

After 1995, my documentation on Auschwitz increased considerably, making it necessary for the first version of the article to be completely revised; however, being able to make only general corrections to the English edition, I decided to drop the section on combustion process in a combustion pit entirely.[7] This topic required an individual treatment, which I can only now present to the public, after having dealt with the fundamental problem of the height of the ground water level at Birkenau.[8]

In the present article, I shall deal with the experimental data that will be used in a further paper covering specifically the topic of corpse incinerations in the open pits at Birkenau.

.../

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[1] Filip Müller, Auschwitz Inferno: Testimony of a Sonderkommando, Routledge & Kegan Paul, London 1979, p. 136f.
[2] In: Ernst Gauss (ed.), Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte. Ein Handbuch über strittige Fragen des 20. Jahrhunderts. Grabert Verlag, Tübingen 1994, pp. 281-320.
[3] I use the terms 'burning' and 'combustion' because, technically speaking, a cremation can only be carried out in the oven of a crematorium.
[4] "Die Krematoriumsöfen von Auschwitz-Birkenau," op. cit. (note 2), p. 318.
[5] Wilhelm Heepke, Die Kadaver-Vernichtungsanlagen Carl Marhold, Halle a. S. 1905.
[6] W. Heepke, Die Leichenverbrennungs-Anstalten (Die Krematorien). Carl Marhold, Halle a. S. 1905.
[7] "The Crematoria Ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau," in: Ernst Gauss (ed.) Dissecting the Holocaust, 1st ed., Theses & Dissertations Press, Capshaw, AL, 2000, pp. 373-412.
[8] C. Mattogno, "'Cremation Pits' and Ground Water Levels at Birkenau," The Revisionist 1(1) (2003), pp. 14-17.


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Postby hermod » 6 years 10 months ago (Mon May 27, 2013 8:20 pm)

Another revealing video on outdoor cremations in the real world ruled by the laws of physics...

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Postby Hektor » 6 years 5 months ago (Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:34 pm)

friedrichjansson wrote:Experiments always help drive home the nonsensical nature of exterminationist claims concerning cremation. This video of a pig cremation gives an idea of the scale of a real pyre. Watch to the end, and you'll see the bones remaining, and that there was even some unincinerated flesh.

Some problem cremation in the news:
Dead obese woman had so much body fat she set the building on fire during her cremation
Crematorium oven reached 300C and set alight to the filter
Black smoke billowed into the building
Firefighters battled the blaze in special breathing kit, but got covered in burnt grease
Officials call for weight limit on bodies to be cremated
By HELEN COLLIS

Austrian crematorium officials have blamed a deceased woman's obesity for causing a blaze which had to be tackled by firefighters.
Firemen in the southern city of Graz were covered in thick sticky soot as they tried to prevent the blaze from taking hold of the building.
The case has been widely reported in Austrian media, including in the ORF - the country's equivalent of our BBC - and has ignited calls for a weight limit on bodies to protect against future fires.

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Firemen whose clothing was left covered with a layer of sooty grease were snapped as they tackled the difficult to extinguish blaze in special breathing gear

Some countries such as Switzerland and the UK already have facilities which cater for extra large bodies, in line with the growing trend of expanding waistlines.
Speaking to the Daily Mail online, funeral director Christea Bogdan, of Gillman Undertakers, Tooting, south London, said he had never before in his career heard of such an event.
'I have never come across such a case,' he said.
An expert report on the Austria fire has revealed that the woman being cremated weighed more than 200kg - or 31st 7lbs - and her size had caused the oven to overheat.

The press reports state that the filter temperature reached 300C and officials realised there was a problem when thick black smoke started billowing into the building.
The device was immediately switched off but by then there was already a fire in the filter.
Austrian crematorium officials are considering putting a maximum weight on bodies after one overweight client had so much fat on her body that it caused the oven to overheat
Austrian crematorium officials are considering putting a maximum weight on bodies after one overweight client had so much fat on her body that it caused the oven to overheat
Firemen whose clothing was left covered with a layer of greasy black soot were snapped as they tackled the difficult to extinguish blaze in special breathing gear to avoid breathing in the fumes.
In the end they had to bring the fire under control by sending a blast of water in through the vents used to clear the filter. Repair work took several days during which time the crematorium was out of action.
Firemen said that after reports of similar problems at other cemeteries not only in Austria but also in Switzerland, officials were now are considering a ban on larger bodies.
London-based Bogdan said: 'We do have large bodies that we have to deal with, which weigh 30+ stone, but not very often.
'We follow the same procedures as usual for large bodies. We have to check the size in the crematorium to check the person in the coffin will fit in the crematorium.'
Mr Bogdan said most crematoriums dealt with a standard 36ins outside measurement of a coffin. However there were some facilities, such as the City of London Crematorium, which now catered for larger, 50-55ins coffin circumferences.
Graz-based fireman Otto Widetschek said: 'Crematorium officials need to be more responsible and not just automatically put everybody in to be cremated.'
He said that in Switzerland there were moves now to make sure that XXL bodies were routinely shipped to a special crematorium able to deal with the extra heat caused by larger bodies.


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Re: Two cremation experiments

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 6 years 5 months ago (Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:45 pm)

Good finds all around. All these real world examples. Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec: the most botched story ever told.

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Re: Two cremation experiments

Postby Scotsman » 6 years 5 months ago (Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:56 pm)

The cremation problem is the strongest argument, if I had to pick one, of the revisionists. The Holocaustians have no answer to it. Their tactic is to say that well, in practice, the cremation ovens at Auschwitz could do things that no comparable cremation ovens could do - such as 20 min cremations, 4 bodies in at once, etc.

I was personally sold on this point. There is simply no way to argue around it.


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