Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack

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Re: Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack

Postby Hektor » 2 months 1 week ago (Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:50 am)

Depth Charge wrote:I'm still fascinated by the question; where would the Soviets have stopped, if they struck first?

A surprise attack on Germany, with 30,000 state of the art tanks and millions of men (Suvorov says there were plans for 18 million (!) reservists) would mean that Germany could not prevail. Then, on the other side of Germany, France had already been decimated. Spain too. Why stop there and leave the Portuguese coast open? Portugal is a strip of defenceless coastal land.

There'd be no reason for the largest army in human history to say no to these open goals.
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In short: The Soviet Plan was to "export the Revolution" by military means. They'd stop once they'd meet matching resisstance.
My take is they'd first cut of Germany from the oil supply. That way undercutting meaningful resistance.
Himmler mentions that even in a speech in front of an internal circle. Would have to look that up again though.

One can also have a look at literature:
https://archive.org/details/PatrickBuch ... WorldWarII
Here is the official German stance:
https://archive.org/details/Proklamatio ... tigenAmtes



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Re: Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack

Postby Depth Charge » 1 month 19 hours ago (Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:43 pm)

"They'd stop once they meet matching resistance".

Under this criteria, there is no matching resistance in continental Europe. You have a 'through lane' to the Portuguese coast. France had been decimated, so had Spain.

Surely the next big strategical question is Britain, Airstrip One. The Soviets cannot permit it to become a backdoor for the Americans. I would submit that Operation Sea Lion, a failure for the Germans, would be a success for the Soviets. Why? They had the barges, they had the amphibious tanks, they had 298 submarines, they had the airborne troops, the moral and resources. Ireland would also be conquered.

From there, there is no feasible reason to not conquer the colonies in Africa, drive down through Georgia and link up through the Suez, for total domination.


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